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New Orleans 'risks extinction'
BBC ^ | 2 February 2006 | Helen Lambourne

Posted on 02/02/2006 10:08:40 AM PST by ncountylee

In the chaos that followed the worst natural disaster in American history, a forensic investigation has been taking place to find out what went wrong and why.

The BBC's Horizon programme has spoken to the scientists who are now confronting the real possibility that New Orleans may be the first of many cities worldwide to face extinction.

Modern day New Orleans was a city that defied the odds. Built on a mosquito infested swamp squashed between two vast bodies of water in what is essentially a bowl, its very existence seemed proof of the triumph of engineering over nature.

But on the 29 August 2005 New Orleans took a direct hit from Hurricane Katrina and overnight was turned into a Venice from hell.

The delicate flood system in New Orleans, that so many relied on to protect them was actually, year on year, adding to the risk of a catastrophe in the city.

Coastal Geologist Shea Penland from the University of New Orleans knows every inlet, every cove and every stretch of marsh that surrounds New Orleans.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: corruption; katrina; la; louisiana; neworleans; nola; rita; thebigeasy
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1 posted on 02/02/2006 10:08:40 AM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

Mentions BBC TV program:

Horizon: The Lost City of New Orleans


2 posted on 02/02/2006 10:09:10 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee
New Orleans 'risks extinction'

And this is a problem because....


3 posted on 02/02/2006 10:10:23 AM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: ncountylee
In the chaos that followed the worst natural disaster in American history, a forensic investigation has been taking place to find out what went wrong and why.

Ummm, it's a city below sea level, that's sinking, in an active hurricane zone. And that's just for starters...

4 posted on 02/02/2006 10:14:23 AM PST by GOPJ (President Bush to Democrats: "Hindsight is not wisdom. Second-guessing is not strategy")
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To: ncountylee

It was a dinosaur anyway. (And run by a brain the size of a walnut.)


5 posted on 02/02/2006 10:17:33 AM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: ncountylee

another hit today I understand....

tornadoes

NO should be left to rot in peace.


6 posted on 02/02/2006 10:17:39 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: ncountylee
I think every city that is built below sea level should probably become extinct.
7 posted on 02/02/2006 10:19:11 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: SF Republican

The ignorance of Freepers on Louisiana questions is again on display.


8 posted on 02/02/2006 10:22:25 AM PST by bayourant
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To: ncountylee

Buggy Whips also risk extinction, as does Atlantis, as does PanAM and TWA Airlines.... and maybe GM.

So what?

An individual person has a "right to life"; but eventually dies anyway.

Why should an object, city or company have a "right" not only to "life" but to "eternal life" ?


9 posted on 02/02/2006 10:24:25 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: SF Republican

"I think every city that is built below sea level should probably become extinct."

Given the nature of water, that's going to happen with our without our help, eventually. But, there are cities that have survived centuries in just such a precarious situation. These cities apparently don't have to contend with hurricanes, though.


10 posted on 02/02/2006 10:24:32 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: bayourant

Please enlighten us I enjoy learning.


11 posted on 02/02/2006 10:26:07 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: RegulatorCountry

New orleans has been around since 1718 folks most of yalls cities are realtive new borns. By the way Cities dont have a right to eternal life will be a great campaign slogan when we try to reelect Republican David Vitter, or Relect Republican JIndal. Oh and this is going to big hit with Republican voters in Jefferson and St Tammny , and St BErnard Parish come the Presidental election time. Keep the helpful slogans coming


12 posted on 02/02/2006 10:28:07 AM PST by bayourant
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To: SF Republican

The problem in large part is Coastal erosion which can be fixed. Also there are plans to develop areas that are flood prone in NOla into Green place. As a former resident of there the "its below sealevel argument lets not rebuild" is a little simplistic


13 posted on 02/02/2006 10:30:03 AM PST by bayourant
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To: ncountylee

Actually New Orleans didn't take a direct hit as the article states.


14 posted on 02/02/2006 10:30:44 AM PST by half-cajun
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To: ncountylee
In the chaos that followed the worst natural disaster in American history...

The BBC should get its history straight. The worst natural disaster in American history was the Class 5 hurricane that struck Galveston, Texas in September 1900. Called 'Isaac's Storm' after Isaac Cline, the national weather service meteorologist on site, the hurricane killed over 6,000 people and leveled the city.

15 posted on 02/02/2006 10:31:31 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: ncountylee
But on the 29 August 2005 New Orleans took a direct hit from Hurricane Katrina

Uh, it wasn't a direct hit. Katrina blew the levees with a backhand blow from her weak side.

16 posted on 02/02/2006 10:31:53 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: bayourant

"Keep the helpful slogans coming"

Do you really think that LA voters will be influenced by banter on a FR thread?


17 posted on 02/02/2006 10:32:55 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: ncountylee

There have been numerous Sleestak sitings. I suggest everyone stay out.
18 posted on 02/02/2006 10:33:03 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: bayourant

So then, you're suggesting we spend federal $ mainly to get republicans elected?

Boy, you really are from Louisiana, aren;t you?


19 posted on 02/02/2006 10:33:04 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: bayourant
By the way Cities dont have a right to eternal life will be a great campaign slogan when we try to reelect Republican David Vitter,

Ah. So in order to win over the people in your state, a pubbie has to tell them what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear.

Which wouldn't be all that bad except that y'all are also asking for so much of our tax dollars.

20 posted on 02/02/2006 10:33:30 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: bayourant

"Keep the helpful slogans coming"

I'm not condemning New Orleans; it is in a very precarious situation, though. Moreso than the Netherlands or Venice, neither of which have to contend with hurricanes, but are apparenlty better prepared to deal with the inevitable, and both predate New Orleans by quite a bit.


21 posted on 02/02/2006 10:34:15 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: dirtboy

Dirt boy and by the way I enjoyed our conversation last night I realize your not the enemy in this. The problem was storm surge. In large part to that inter coastal canal I believe. I think in some ways it was the perfect storm. Also if some idiot had secured a barge we wouldnt have had half the flooding in Nola esp in the lake view area that resulted in the waters you saw on canal and the quarter


22 posted on 02/02/2006 10:35:32 AM PST by bayourant
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To: TheForceOfOne
There have been numerous Sleestak sitings. I suggest everyone stay out.

ROFL! But are they all registered as Democrats yet? ;)

23 posted on 02/02/2006 10:36:26 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: dirtboy

No dirt boy the point is we know the situation. We also know there are solutions to it. We are full aware of the facts on the ground. Blissfull ignorance and pipedreams are not a current state of reality we are living with


24 posted on 02/02/2006 10:37:14 AM PST by bayourant
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To: bayourant
The problem was storm surge. In large part to that inter coastal canal I believe. I think in some ways it was the perfect storm. Also if some idiot had secured a barge we wouldnt have had half the flooding in Nola esp in the lake view area that resulted in the waters you saw on canal and the quarter

The point is, Katrina was Cat 2 on the weak side. Surge was probably Cat 3.

The levees were supposed to hold up to Cat 3. They didn't.

What would happen if the levees were built to supposed Cat 5 strength, a Cat 5 hit, and it turns out the calculations were wrong again?

25 posted on 02/02/2006 10:37:42 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
They're illegal aliens, of course they're Democrats! lol
26 posted on 02/02/2006 10:37:58 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: bayourant
Blissfull ignorance and pipedreams are not a current state of reality we are living with

That seems to be what your politicians are peddling.

They are more concerned with getting money to people who didn't have flood insurance than using tax dollars to fix critical problems along the coast.

27 posted on 02/02/2006 10:39:08 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: unixfox

Where will all the cute voodoo stores relocate to?


28 posted on 02/02/2006 10:39:39 AM PST by rahbert
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To: Pessimist

No pessamist I saying learn a few facts first. From the discussion on this topic last night I think its shown to me and several conservative louisiana freepers who now are so hurt they dont come on here that the lack of thinking on this issue by many is incredible. We are not unprepared to make a few changes but really are sorry if we are not prepared to sit by while most of the State below I-10 becomes a swamp


29 posted on 02/02/2006 10:39:47 AM PST by bayourant
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Quote of the day:
"Somebody needs to tell the mayor of Chocolate City to get the chocolate chips off their butts and stop waiting for the caramels to rebuild their houses and the vanilla's to pay for them."


30 posted on 02/02/2006 10:40:53 AM PST by Texas Mom (When they kill enough of us will we finally start profiling??)
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To: dirtboy

Dirtboy that is so untrue. Its is the major topic form Slidell to Lake charles. In fact after Rita its the main concern


31 posted on 02/02/2006 10:41:08 AM PST by bayourant
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To: ncountylee

GIVE ME A BREAK, if this is true, I say it might not be worth rebuilding all the city. Move it.


To make New Orleans safe to withstand a Category Five hurricane, his proposal is for a vast barrier system stretching from Mississippi all the way to Texas.


32 posted on 02/02/2006 10:41:33 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: bayourant
New orleans has been around since 1718 folks most of yalls cities are realtive new borns.

Sorry - we've got you beat. Detroit was founded in 1701, so "we - alls" have been around longer than "yalls".

33 posted on 02/02/2006 10:42:52 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

what we are talking about are plans that allow the re sediment of our marshlands. Again the Barrier Island Question should not be visulaived as some huge cvontinious wall


34 posted on 02/02/2006 10:43:13 AM PST by bayourant
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To: Tokra

like I said "most"


35 posted on 02/02/2006 10:43:48 AM PST by bayourant
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To: bayourant
Dirtboy that is so untrue

Sorry, but what are they pressing for most recently? Federal aid to start a buyout program.

36 posted on 02/02/2006 10:45:37 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: unixfox
New Orleans 'risks extinction'

And this is a problem because....

Because we need a major port at the base of the Mississippi to provide a transfer point between ocean-going and river-going traffic, or all those red states in the middle of the Union starve economically.

37 posted on 02/02/2006 10:46:04 AM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: SF Republican

Venice shoud be preserved because it has architectural masterpieces unmatched in all the World. But the tract housing in the New Orleans basin was dime-a-dozen shacks, such as can be found in every city in the United States. There is simply no reason that what was being done there could not be done more safely and much cheaper almost anywhere else.

There is simply no reason to put it back.


38 posted on 02/02/2006 10:48:00 AM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
To make New Orleans safe to withstand a Category Five hurricane, his proposal is for a vast barrier system stretching from Mississippi all the way to Texas.

Which would defeat the need to allow resedimentation.

39 posted on 02/02/2006 10:48:16 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: gridlock
To make New Orleans safe to withstand a Category Five hurricane, his proposal is for a vast barrier system stretching from Mississippi all the way to Texas.

And it also doesn't face hurricanes.

40 posted on 02/02/2006 10:48:45 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: adam_az

Louisiana is a red state. New Orleans was a blue city thus explaining Blanco and Landrieu. Vitter and Jindal represent and were voted in by RED voters. I live in the Metairie or Greater NO area and I can assure you I live in Bush country. So, people from LA do pay attention to FReepers.

I hope in the future if there is a biblical event in some of your areas I can have as much compassion as you have toward us.


41 posted on 02/02/2006 10:48:55 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: ncountylee
But on the 29 August 2005 New Orleans took a direct hit from Hurricane Katrina

No, they did not.

No need to read any further.

42 posted on 02/02/2006 10:50:37 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: dirtboy

No the barriers are one step. the long tern preservatinon and advancement of the wetlands is whats needed


43 posted on 02/02/2006 10:50:50 AM PST by bayourant
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To: Bitsy

"I hope in the future if there is a biblical event in some of your areas I can have as much compassion as you have toward us."

Which post of mine are you referring to?

Link and quote or retraction, please.


44 posted on 02/02/2006 10:51:03 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: unixfox
Reverse the pumps and plant some of these.


45 posted on 02/02/2006 10:52:37 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: bayourant

It's hardly Olde Orleans, but the swamp has outlived it's Newness. Time to build a real New city on dry land. Then it would be New Orleans.


46 posted on 02/02/2006 10:52:58 AM PST by kaboom
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To: gridlock

the problem with views of the ninth ward and its views on housing is sort of a fallcay. In fact people for some reason think that the 9th ward was some vast housing project. In fact it was not. In fact the architecture in some areas is quite similar to the houses in the Irish channel where I lived. It looks small but in fact I found living in these homes pleasant. Again the ARCHITECTURAL STYLE and refering to it as similar to most cities I think is inaccurate


47 posted on 02/02/2006 10:54:19 AM PST by bayourant
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To: Buggman

And so rebuild the port as only a port, keep the French Quarter for the tourists and let the rest go back to swamp.

I understand the sadness that many in NO must feel, but in truth, NO will never be the same no matter how much money is thrown at it, just like Berlin, Dresden and many other cities that were destroyed for whatever reason, it's changed forever.


48 posted on 02/02/2006 10:56:48 AM PST by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: kaboom

The problem is dry land. Nola is part of the issue but the alarm bells are going off in surrounding communities. They see nola and realize unless coastland reclaimation projects are not started Nola is them


49 posted on 02/02/2006 10:57:01 AM PST by bayourant
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To: bayourant

I disagree that coastal erosion should be fixed for the same reason I do not feel building should be done below sea level. It may be simplistic but building against nature is not smart and it is simple don't do it or expect to every couple of generations to spend billions and billions of dollars to keep the residents (and former residents) satisfied. Green space, have at it, I do not consider that to be building.


50 posted on 02/02/2006 10:57:11 AM PST by SF Republican
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