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Liberal-Left Deserting Hillary Clinton (So who's left to vote for her?)
Sierra Times ^ | 2/2/2006 | Jim Kouri, CPP

Posted on 02/02/2006 1:46:05 PM PST by FerdieMurphy

Political junkies are witnessing a true phenomenon in presidential politics: more than two years before the next presidential election cycle there's a movement to target someone considered by the news media and pundits to be a frontrunner in 2008 -- Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Even with softball interviews by the likes of Katie Couric and Diane Sawyer, and with almost a daily practice by some members of the mainstream news media of publishing her press releases as if they were news, Hillary Clinton is facing tough opposition not only from Republicans but also from members of her own party.

Right after a poll showed last week that most Americans would “definitely” not vote for her, Senator John Kerry suddenly sprung to life on the ski slopes of Switzerland to head up an attempt at filibustering the confirmation of US Supreme Court nominee Judge Samuel Alito. It's no secret within the Beltway that Kerry believes he has a shot at the presidency even after losing to President Bush in 2004. There's no doubt that Kerry monitors the polls that are showing Hillary is vulnerable to attack from both the right and the left.

In fact, there are many Republicans storing their symbolic "flip-flop" sandals for the next Presidential campaign since Clinton is all over the place on issues, taking positions based on whom she's addressing. She's for tough border security, but votes no on legislation that would increase the number of border agents and detention beds. She claims she supports the war, but says she's sorry she voted to go to war after the reigning queen of the anti-war movement, Cindy Sheehan, spanked her in California by calling her a warmonger. She wants to curtail illegal immigration, but she also wants to provide illegal immigrants with education and healthcare.

Former staff members in Bill Clinton’s White House are privately saying she could be a risky choice. To the left, an anti-war “stop Hillary” movement is gathering traction, threatening her ability to unite the Democrats. Which is possibly why Al Gore is criss-crossing the US giving the most vitriolic speeches for left-wing groups such as MoveOn.Org. He too envisions another shot at the White House prize.

According to the Sunday Times, Mike McCurry, Bill Clinton’s White House press secretary, claims he fears the 2008 campaign could be brutal for the former first lady. He said he remembers how she became a “lightning rod” for conservatives during her husband’s years in office.

“She has proven that she works hard at being senator and does that job well, but bringing the country together and moving it in a different direction is an entirely different matter,” McCurry said. “It is very hard to reinvent yourself in politics.”

However, McCurry proves that old habits, such as blowing smoke when it comes to the Clintons, are hard to break. Ask McCurry what piece of legislation Hillary has sponsored and you will get a glazed look. When New Yorkers are asked what's she done for New York State or for the nation, besides bloviating at functions and hobnobbing with the Manhattan and Hollywood elite, they usually answer with abstract notions such as "she gives us hope."

It's the same reaction you get if you ask African-Americans what Bill Clinton, the "first black president" did for them in his eight years in office. They think and think and then say, "He gave us hope." Hope doesn't pay the rent, feed the kids or make car payments. The true answer for both Clintons is: they do nothing but talk your ears off.

A CNN/Gallup/USA Today poll last week found that 51% of Americans “definitely” would not vote for Hillary and only 16% said they definitely would. Among men, 60% said they would not vote for her. And 43% of women said they wouldn't vote for her either.

“Ultimately the issue is: do we turn to something new? We’ve been through the Clintons, we’ve been through the Gores, we’ve been through the Kerrys, all of whom are known quantities in politics,” said Leon Panetta, a driving force within the Democrat Party and a Bill Clinton loyalist.

The Democrats have a new rising star in Mark Warner, who recently stepped down as governor of the conservative state of Virginia. His proven appeal to moderate voters is attracting Democrats of all shades who are eager to win, but he remains little known on the national scene at this point. However, that is likely to change as the perception of Senator Clinton as damaged good starts to take hold within the Democrat Party.

The doubts about Clinton’s electabilty are growing almost with each speech. On Martin Luther King's Birthday, during a memorial in Harlem, Hillary chose to attack Republicans rather than honor the civil rights icon. She even managed to include the words "plantation" and "Republicans" in the same sentence in order to continue the myth of Republican racism.

Talk host Laura Ingraham was incensed over Hillary's playing of the race card. Ingraham told her listeners it was a speech designed to create fear in blacks that the evil Republicans can't be trusted. Even news stories about her ignoring washed-up Calypso singer Harry Belafonte at a New York function were promulgated to protect her from being linked to the rantings of an ignorant fool who prides himself as an intellectual.

Conservatives know that Hillary's heart is with Belafonte, but her mind wants to reside once again in the White House. As with singer Madonna, Hillary tries and tries to reinvent herself and it could have worked had there been no Internet news and blogs, no talk radio, and no Fox News Channel.

Clinton’s small successes with voters in the small towns in New York is seen as proof that she can win over conservatives, although according to last week’s poll, 90% of Republicans will “definitely” not vote for her. Even New York Democrats -- many of whom are former Reagan Democrats -- may be comfortable with her warming a seat in the senate, but giving her the power of President and Commander-in-Chief is a horse -- or donkey -- of a different color.

New Republic magazine, the left-wing weekly, argues in its current issue that the voters of rural New York bear little comparison to diehard Republican voters in the South and Midwest. “She is going to have to bring something else to the national stage,” it warned.

So folks, the Stop Hillary train is leaving the station. And it's coming to a station near you.


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...Kerry believes he has a shot at the presidency even after losing to President Bush in 2004.

Relax, Ketchup Boy, you haven't a snowball's chance in hell!

1 posted on 02/02/2006 1:46:08 PM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy
(So who's left to vote for her?)

Morons?

2 posted on 02/02/2006 1:46:57 PM PST by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Poor Hillary. Even if she's able to convince people that she's not a Communist, she'll never be able to shed that "moth-eaten b*tch" look.
3 posted on 02/02/2006 1:48:32 PM PST by Jaysun (The plain truth is that I am not a fair man, and don't want to hear both sides.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Relax, Ketchup Boy, you haven't a snowball's chance in hell!

The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that the Dems will nominate Al Gore again.

4 posted on 02/02/2006 1:48:39 PM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"Liberal-Left Deserting Hillary Clinton (So who's left to vote for her?)"

same base as always, idiots

5 posted on 02/02/2006 1:48:40 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Maybe if Kerry runs with Billary their flip-flopping will cancel each other out and the will be centrists. Or mayne they could mate and produce flying pigs.


6 posted on 02/02/2006 1:49:26 PM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: FerdieMurphy

"Look at me. Look at me! I am the sanest democrat!"

7 posted on 02/02/2006 1:49:56 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: FerdieMurphy

Wow...I bet her list of "Who to execute as soon as I'm in power" is over 50 volumes by now.


8 posted on 02/02/2006 1:50:48 PM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: jalisco555

The last time I lurked at DU (always good for a laugh) they had a poll up about the 2008 primaries. Gore was leading by a landslide. He had close to 50%, while Shrillary only had 7%.


9 posted on 02/02/2006 1:51:25 PM PST by kellynch (I am excessively diverted. ~~Jane Austen)
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To: kellynch
DU (always good for a laugh) they had a poll up about the 2008 primaries. Gore was leading by a landslide.

The dummies take recycle/reuse way too literal......

10 posted on 02/02/2006 1:53:39 PM PST by b4its2late (Hard work never killed anyone, but why chance it?)
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To: FerdieMurphy

If all the liberal journalists in the US got together they couldn't elect a dog catcher in a major US City. And that's Hillary's real problem. She's got to get support beyond the MSM. And it ain't there...


11 posted on 02/02/2006 1:54:24 PM PST by GOPJ (President Bush to Democrats: "Hindsight is not wisdom. Second-guessing is not strategy")
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To: FerdieMurphy
For anyone who believes Hillary is really moving to the right, I have been holding a beautiful bridge for them that reaches from the tip of Manhattan to Brooklyn. I will sell it to them cheap!

Hillary Clinton is a dedicated Marxist. Dedicated Marxists do not ever, ever give up. Maybe they will take one step backward from time to time, but only so that they can take two steps forward when the time is right.

It has taken a long long time but Hillary has finally caught on that a leftist cannot win a presidential race. She will not change her ideology but she will change her image.

Some people will believe Hillary's ploy. These are the same people who watch daytime TV and think Ted Kennedy is a moderate.
12 posted on 02/02/2006 1:55:03 PM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: FormerACLUmember

I see this picture all over the place, and assume it was taken at the SOTU. But does anyone know for sure the circumstances under which this pic was taken?

It is amazing.


13 posted on 02/02/2006 1:56:04 PM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: FerdieMurphy
The Democrats have a new rising star in Mark Warner, who recently stepped down as governor of the conservative state of Virginia.

If Mark Warner is their rising star, the Dem Party is in worse shape than I thought. As for Hillary, she'll say anything to anybody at any time, as long as it results in her getting 51% of the vote.

14 posted on 02/02/2006 1:56:14 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Jaysun
Yeah. And another thing. Who ordered Vince Foster's murder and what's the explanation about that large pile of dead people the Klintons have left in their ruinous wake?

This boring, shrill witch is thought by some imbeciles to be the smartest woman in the world, but after studying her speeches I find her to be absolutely sophomorically vacant. The same goes for her commie husband thingy too. He prattles on like Castro.

15 posted on 02/02/2006 1:57:01 PM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: FerdieMurphy

(So who's left to vote for her?)



Craig Livingstone?


16 posted on 02/02/2006 1:57:37 PM PST by Deo volente (The Clintons are like a bad case of psoriasis that won't go away.)
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To: Onelifetogive

and Dead People.


17 posted on 02/02/2006 1:57:45 PM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: jalisco555
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that the Dems will nominate Al Gore again.

You just may be right. He's doing everything to position himself as the really whacked-out far left choice. Hillary's negatives are too high--unpoliticized women will hate her with a passion. Kerry is just too much a caricature of himself to be a 2nd time candidate. Howard Dean is still Howard Dean. The ambulance chasing V.P. candidate from last time (forget his name) didn't make much of an impression on anybody. It's too early for Obama/Osama too run. There are no viable Dem candidates. That leaves AlGore. You've nailed it!!

18 posted on 02/02/2006 1:58:55 PM PST by Moosilauke
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To: FerdieMurphy
Is Pat Paulsen still available?

He'd fit right in: He could REALLY speak!

about nothing

19 posted on 02/02/2006 1:58:57 PM PST by C210N (Bush SPYED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: R.W.Ratikal
You're right. Hillary's move to the right would take a lifetime.

Her card was punched by the Soviet Union along with that thing she married. I believe that the USSR matched these two communists up and sponsored their entire lives and when the USSR went belly-up (but they're baaaack!) the communist Chinese picked up their contract.

20 posted on 02/02/2006 1:59:55 PM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: FerdieMurphy
Who's left to vote for her?

Hmmmm. Maybe.

21 posted on 02/02/2006 2:00:50 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: Maceman

Reuters took the photo.

Posted yesterday here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1569321/posts


22 posted on 02/02/2006 2:01:18 PM PST by Deo volente (The Clintons are like a bad case of psoriasis that won't go away.)
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To: All

"And just what do you think you're doing off the plantation, Sheila?"

23 posted on 02/02/2006 2:02:33 PM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: Onelifetogive

Well, Vince Foster would vote for her had she not had him commit "suicide" like he did.


24 posted on 02/02/2006 2:03:35 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: FerdieMurphy
Interesting situation. Hillary's been using Bill's tried and true triangulation technique. It worked in 1992, when the Dims were desperate to retake the White House after 12 years of Republican rule. Today, the Dims are even more desperate, having lost Congress and about to lose the Supreme Court. But triangulation isn't working.

'Course, Hillary doesn't have Ross Perot working for her, either. She'd have to take more than 50% of the vote, which Bill never did.

25 posted on 02/02/2006 2:04:12 PM PST by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: jalisco555

Wouldn't put it past them.

For some reason they seem to like Wesley Clark, something that has always escaped me.

Names to watch right now--

Warner- red state Dem choice. Seen as a "moderate" (Liberal) Southern Governor

Bayh and Feingold- red or purple state going extreme liberal and hope geography covers the spread

Gore- He's what Kerry wants to be, died in the wool Leftist that the base loves now.

Wesley Clark-don't ask me why. Maybe it's the uniform, but the left seems to like him for reasons I can't understand. Unlikely candidate, but I'm putting him in the group because I don't understand the appeal, so can't dismiss it.

Clinton- main asset is nostalgia for the last days Dems contolled Washington. Triangulation is dead, though, so not front runner at this time.


26 posted on 02/02/2006 2:06:38 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: colorado tanker

It's all a trick.....don't fall for it.....The
Clintons will trick you all..only Rush and us dittoes
know the drill....so wait til we alert you...Jake


27 posted on 02/02/2006 2:06:57 PM PST by sanjacjake
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To: kellynch

Anyone the far-left commie loony retards at DU support,is a sure bet for a loser.(Although they're also right about Hitlery-a stopped clock is right twice a day. And the reason they're so against Her Heinous is because they think she's too "centrist"!!!!!)


28 posted on 02/02/2006 2:08:05 PM PST by mrsmel (Men possess talent. Genius possesses men.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

It will be worth the price of admission to Watch Mr. Heinz-Kerry try to attack Hillary from both the left and right at the same time.... "I was on her right before I was on her left!"
The primary season will be fun if nothing else.


29 posted on 02/02/2006 2:09:27 PM PST by Froggie
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To: FerdieMurphy

She's wearing her "puffy" face.


30 posted on 02/02/2006 2:13:36 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: FerdieMurphy
. . . it could have worked had there been no Internet news and blogs, no talk radio, and no Fox News Channel.

Thank heaven algore had the foresight to invent the internet!

31 posted on 02/02/2006 2:20:16 PM PST by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Cripes, for the next 2 years we have to listen to the posturing of Hitlery AND Kerry. I might've been able to tolerate one or the other, but good grief - not both!


32 posted on 02/02/2006 2:21:55 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: Maceman
I see this picture all over the place, and assume it was taken at the SOTU. But does anyone know for sure the circumstances under which this pic was taken?

It is amazing

Yes it was at the SOTU speech and the circumstances was Belzibob was trying to get out and make and appearance and she was trying her best to keep him inside.

33 posted on 02/02/2006 2:27:30 PM PST by marlon
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To: AmericanChef

Be sure and add Gore to the list of posturers...

Kerry, Clinton, Gore...they will make the Three Stooges look like Mensa members..


34 posted on 02/02/2006 2:30:01 PM PST by Txsleuth (l drink tea, not kool-aid.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Don't get fooled!... les we slumber and get bit in the a**!! The witch is pure EVIL and demonic, she'll make a comeback somehow, someway...underestimate her at your own peril!
35 posted on 02/02/2006 2:36:07 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: Soul Seeker

I too find it a mystery why the Left is attracted to Wesley Clark. Possibly it's the deep current of fascism in them.

Nevertheless, it's going to be Edwards next time, he's young and exciting to them, and his populist message makes it unnecessary for him to climb out on a limb with anti-war rhetoric---or any other gimmick that is both loony and freshness-dated. Populism is perennially appealing and he has a corner on it right now.
It may seem strange that someone who now holds no elective office could win the nomination, but try to see it from the perspective of the average Dem voter. He's an outsider now, and he's so photogenic. Stand him up against that mummified John Kerry, or the harridan Hillary, or the kooky Dean or Kucinich, or the aging and bland-spoken Clark, and the average Dem will pick Edwards every time.
Mark my words, Edwards will win handily against all these people. And if we run somebody stale, bipolar, or mummified, Edwards will beat him too.
Do I have any suggestions? No. :( I like Allen but I'm not sure he can swim upstream against the media and win the White House. Whereas Edwards will have the MSM in his pocket.


36 posted on 02/02/2006 2:38:32 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: FerdieMurphy
So who's left to vote for her?

The graveyards will always be full, and always increasing in population

37 posted on 02/02/2006 2:42:38 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: FormerACLUmember

Sad thing for the country is she probably is the sanest Dem.


38 posted on 02/02/2006 2:50:41 PM PST by xkaydet65 (Peace, Love, Brotherhood, and Firepower. And the greatest of these is Firepower!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Hillary would replace the war on Islamofascist terrorism with a war on the true enemy (in her mind), white heterosexual males. That the percentage of men who won't vote for her is only 60% shows that a lot of men just haven't been paying attention.

If her negative numbers stay that high, she'll have to engineer a third-party candidacy to make it into the White House. After all, 57% of Americans did not vote for Bill Clinton in 1992.

39 posted on 02/02/2006 3:16:29 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: FerdieMurphy

Looks like my prediction that Hillary won't get the nod for '08 might be proven right sooner than expected.


40 posted on 02/02/2006 3:18:43 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: FerdieMurphy; Victoria Delsoul
The true answer for both Clintons is: they do nothing but talk your ears off.

That just about sums it all up perfectly.

41 posted on 02/02/2006 3:59:45 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Moosilauke

You heard it here first (well, maybe not) . . . the 2008 campaign is going to be a "throwback election" from the early 1800s -- contested between Virginians Mark Warner and George Allen.


42 posted on 02/02/2006 4:02:07 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Graymatter
If Edwards couldn't even beat John Kerry in 2004, he isn't going to be a credible candidate in 2008. Edwards has one defining attribute that is an enormous handicap in a presidential election . . . he was the VP candidate on a previous losing ticket. A candidate who is mentally retarded has a better chance of getting elected to the White House than a candidate with this kind of track record.

It's worth noting that since World War II, the only candidates to secure their party's nomination for a presidential election after previously losing as a VP candidate were Bob Dole (ran in 1996 after losing in 1976 as Ford's running mate) and Walter Mondale (ran in 1984 after losing in 1980 as Carter's running mate). It's no coincidence that they ended up being two of the worst presidential candidates in recent memory.

43 posted on 02/02/2006 4:15:25 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Graymatter
One more thing . . .

Edwards may seem young and dynamic to you, but people in the media who covered his 2004 campaign for the Democratic nomination later described him as thoroughly dull and mediocre. The consensus among them was that hearing his "two Americas" campaign speech once would have been enough -- but hearing the same damn speech several times every day for weeks and months at a time made them wonder if the guy ever had an original thought in his head.

44 posted on 02/02/2006 4:18:33 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Soul Seeker
Triangulation is dead, though

That's exactly the reason she won't win. The cynical, focus-grouped approach of the 90's doesn't work anymore. Hillary will take a poll to determine what to eat for breakfast but that kind of manipulation won't attract the moonbats who will choose the next nominee.

Many here laugh at Al Gore and I admit I find him comical as well but he is very clever and knows exactly what he is doing. He has effectively positioned himself as the anti-Hillary, the candidate of the true believers and not of the ambitious cynics. That's why he'll be the nominee.

And don't underestimate him come November, either. The MSM will do everything in their power to elect him and recall that tens of millions of Americans have already voted for the guy for President so that psychological barrier has already been overcome.

45 posted on 02/02/2006 4:20:40 PM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: xkaydet65
Sad thing for the country is she probably is the sanest Dem.

Actually, believe it or not, Joe Biden is the sanest person among the credible presidential candidates. If you knew for a fact that the Dems would win in '08 you would have to hope he got the nomination. And what a sad statement about the state of the Democratic party that is.

46 posted on 02/02/2006 4:24:22 PM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Alberta's Child

Please don't confuse me with a Democrat. Edwards does NOT seem young and dynamic to me. I was writing about the impression he makes on Democrats.


47 posted on 02/02/2006 4:56:54 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Jaysun
Poor Hillary. Even if she's able to convince people that she's not a Communist, she'll never be able to shed that "moth-eaten b*tch" look.

Worse yet, she'll never be able to avoid the fact the we would dread to have the Big Creep in the Whitehouse again.

48 posted on 02/02/2006 4:59:56 PM PST by BunnySlippers (ìÏâ¡ëfêHé`äŸ)
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To: FerdieMurphy

"Cindy Sheehan, spanked her in California..."

Must have been in San Francisco.


49 posted on 02/02/2006 5:04:29 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
There was a DU thread the other night about Bush commenting that Hillary would be a 'formidable opponent'. The DUmmies immediately said that Bush was trying to push the democRats into nominating Hillary. Some of them were complaining that Bush wouldn't even let them select their own nominee. The consensus was that the Republicans would just LOVE for Hillary to be the democRat nominee.

gitmo

50 posted on 02/02/2006 5:12:14 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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