Posted on 02/02/2006 4:16:59 PM PST by blam
Good info, although I'm more inclined to believe it's from Vikings settling along the coastline.
I have read that if you know Korean, learning Japanese and Turkish is easy. I have heard Japanese before, sometimes it sounds different from Korean. I know they are related to each other. I have read that Korean could be related to Dravidian languages because of structure and grammar. Sometimes when I hear Indian talk, sometimes I think I am hearing Korean. In fact that was the first thing people thought in the 19th century. I even heard of a link between Korean and Sumerian. Some people think Dravidian could be a branch of Altai-Ural. Dravidians today are often the "Untouchables" in India, they are short and have dark skin.
The first known PERMANENT Scandinavian settlement was what is now called Delaware. We know that oly a handful of the people there were Swedes. The rest were the sort who live in tents in the winter!
Sa'ami has apparantly absorbed numerous Uralic-Altaic words from the Finno-Ughric subset of that language group. On the other hand the Sa'ami languages have the same linguistic peculiarities that differentate the Dravidian languages from others with similar word-building techniques.
Turns out a fellow at Indiana University takes credit for having demonstrated that Sa'ami, Sumerian and an Indian language in California are "cognates".
Think of it this way ~ the Dravidian language group is very old. It is located primarily in Southern India. During the Ice Age some people speaking a Dravidian language migrated to the NW, along the coast, to the land of Dilmon. From that point they moved inland along the Euphrates upstream to Assyria, and from there through Ukraine and Russia to the Baltic area. (There is a water route all the way from the Black Sea to the Baltic used by the Greeks, and later by the Vikings.)
When Sumerian was first discovered and was being translated, a bunch of crackpots lept to the conclusion that since the Sumerians discussed glaciers that they must have originated in Scandinavia!
They appear to have had the right idea, but got it backwards!
The old theory was that the Aryans rode in, took over, and there they be. Turns out the Aryans rode in, lost their horses to the natives, but passed along their languages.
Early records name some such places. "Brick Rowe" is mentioned in early Jamestown records, for example, but this could be a site in New Jersey or North Carolina for all anyone knows. Then there are the mysterious Wallonian settlers who built the Wall from which Wall Street gets its name. Although it's claimed that the wall was built under the Dutch, it seems to have been there before Manhattan was first sold. So, who were those people and why were they there? No European source informs us.
Interesting. I would not think Sumerians are from Scandanavia. I have heard they might be from Indonesia. I have noticed ziggarat designs are same throughout the world. I have read that Dravidians have a legend that they are from Sundaland or Indonesia. I wonder if the Marsh Arabs or M'adans of Iraq are relics from Sumeria. Theire culture reminds me of Sumerians/Polynesian.
As the ice withdraw and conditions improved in the higher latitudes, people followed the game out of India.
For unknowable reasons, the people who are now the Sa'ami, and who may have been in Scandinavia for the last 35,000 years, ended up speaking languages that have as their closest relative the long dead Sumerian language.
I suspect it has a bit to do with Soma.
I am sure Southern India was popular. Very interesting about Sami people. Perhaps they could of looked like what they did thousands of years ago. I know Vedda live in Southern India. I think they are related to Ainus.
Thanks Mu, you are very knowledgeable and interesting. There's also the wall at Rockwall Texas. I believe I have read where there is a possibility that ancient Phoenicians may have been responsible. The whole history of North and South America is not what we were taught in school, imho. In fact, some Melungeons also claim Phoenician ancestry. In fact, if you think about it, Vikings were probably more likely to bring slaves on the boats with them, or the people they had picked up along the way. Thanks again
Doesn't mean they weren't built by the same people, but the point about Sumer is that it was FIRST ~
Then explain the thousands of different dialects still being spoken in China, if you think that the Qin emperor decides to kill off all of his opponents? The fact is, he was brutal, and there were mass murders but no less than any other civilization at the time (Romans, etc). And to say he simply wipe out the other 6 countries' population is ludicrous. If that were the case, then there is no one in CHina that would speak anything other than Putonghua, and there isn't, there are thousands of dialects.
English has become a common language only over the last 500 years ~ before that, it wasn't even used in civilized society in its own country, and a thousand years ago, it was actually a totally different language more akin to Dutch and Danish than to what it has become.
The Period of Warring States was more than 2,000 years ago. That's plenty of time for new variations on an existing language to rise up in China. In fact, it's plenty of time for Latin to give rise to French, Protuguese, Gallo, Italian, Rumanian, Spanish and several other languages.
There are thousands of dialects in China and the fact you refuse to look at it, shows just how narrow minded and simple-minded you are. Writteln language is just one, but spoken language there are thousands.
The fact is, even some part of the Chinese written language can be traced back to the 7 warring states. Tell me, if it was just wiped out completely by the Qin, how is it possible that the language is still there, both spoken and written?
Face it, Qin didn't do the stuff you are claiming he did. he did not wipe out everybody else that he conquered.
The Ainus are of Greek descedance. There are common elements in religion and way of life apart from the looks and the beards....
If there is a relationship...it's probably the other way around. The Ainu/Jomon have a lineage that's traceable back at least 13,000 years, the Greeks don't.
Do you consider the Ainu Caucasian?
I wondered where Captain Picard was buried in secret.
I struggle with this question...often. I don't know.
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