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Your thoughts on guns on college campuses [90% yes, blamed on Freerepublic, apparently]
Roanoke.com ^ | 2-4-06

Posted on 02/04/2006 7:15:54 PM PST by SJackson

Our Thursday story about a proposed bill that would allow guns onto college campuses drew quite a response.

Thanks in large part, apparently, to a call to vote from the conservative Web site freerepublic.com, our poll question garnered more than 2,000 votes -- more than 90 percent in favor of the legislation.

And more than 30 of you visited the roanoke.com message board to voice your own opinions. Here is a sample of what you said:

>I am for gun rights but changing this could endanger lives, it's all about someone having the power to say no to carrying a weapon and the masses do not like it. -- tyreesr

>As a VT employee, I know that the university campus is not immune from having crime. Cops do their best, but they can't be everywhere at once! People need to have the option to protect themselves, and I see no reason why people who have the training required to get a concealed weapons permit should be barred from carrying their weapons on campus. -- angelava

>It's completely unfair to create a patchwork of laws across the state so that a law-abiding citizen legally carrying a gun becomes a criminal just by crossing the street. -- benminer

>No police organization has a specific duty to protect individuals. The only truly reliable defense is self-defense. -- 3fgburner

>The proposed legislation does not go far enough toward promoting safety on campus. I'd rather see state colleges and universities issue handguns to all students, a adopt a rule requiring they be carried at all times on campus. -- devoutchristian

>Anyone who knows Tech, or VCU, or any other campus for that matter, knows that boundaries are crossed as simply as crossing a street, or sidewalk. Town of Blacksburg is OK to carry, Tech, no. Or Richmond vs. VCU. Get my point? Students typically cross these borders several times a day. Essentially, to ban guns from campus, schools are disarming citizens from the "real" world. -- HokieCHPholder

>I think that any faculty and/or staff member that has been issued a permit to carry a gun should be allowed to carry that gun in their vehicle on a college campus. I'm not sure they need to have it on their person.

I do not think that ANY student (high school and/or college) should be eligible to get a permit to carry a gun!

There are somethings that are or should be reserved for adults. -- brownark

>What I would like to know is what VT will do when a student who is CHP holder is assaulted, raped, or killed on their watch, and either the victim or the bereaved family of the victim slaps VT with a big lawsuit for keeping that person from protecting themselves!?!?!? Wouldn't they be held liable? -- AndrewY

>Virginia law was specifically amended in 2003 by the General Assembly to allow even minor high school students to keep unloaded guns secured in their vehicles on K-12 school grounds. So who the heck is any VA college president to then tell these same folks when they graduate from high school that they **lose** gun rights by going to college? -- majstoll

> If a person has gone thru the minimum standards of what I believe should be and that's 4 hours gun safety and 100 rounds on a qualified firing range... and has a conceal carry should be allowed to carry on a university campus -- bondsman1


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; vageneralassembly; vatech; vcu; virginia
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To: manwiththehands

And why is that? Why should a college campus be a place you can not take a gun? Why should we allow free speech on campus? It's protected under the Bill of rights, as is the 2nd amendment. Sorry, but you just can't pick and choose whatever you fancy.


41 posted on 02/04/2006 7:54:41 PM PST by SegFault
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To: md2576
Or alternatively, have a "Why You Were FReeped FAQ" for poll people to check to understand the hows and whys they were FReeped...{First of all, the fact that these polls are often DU'ed or KOS'ed with or with out any FReepin', that their polls are inadequately secure, sometimes outrageous lib biases in the poll question...etc}
42 posted on 02/04/2006 7:56:51 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: CodeToad

See post 37


43 posted on 02/04/2006 7:57:08 PM PST by manwiththehands (Screw Allah. Everything I ever cared to know about Islam I learned on 9/11)
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To: Yankees98a

In a word, 'No'.


44 posted on 02/04/2006 7:57:30 PM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: manwiththehands

Who do you think you are to make that determination?


45 posted on 02/04/2006 7:58:40 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: airborne

No guns = no crime.

Tell that to the residents of Washington, D.C.

Gun control means using both hands while aiming.


46 posted on 02/04/2006 7:58:51 PM PST by kachina
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To: manwiththehands

What do you say to the young rape victims where a gun would have been a help? "Tough! My kid is an immature, irresponsible, and dumb kid and he would play with other people's guns while getting smashed at a kegger!"

Maybe young, stupid, boys should be banned from colleges so young, adult women can carry guns for protection without your drunken stupid kid killing someone.


47 posted on 02/04/2006 8:01:30 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: kachina

Ah but see if you point that out to the resident of D.C they'll say people from VA are tunneling weapons up into the hands of people in D.C and that's why the gun crimes continue...

They are quick to point the blame instead of facing the truth. It's always someone elses fault that things arent going that way. They never stop to think that making those laws only effects people who will follow them.


48 posted on 02/04/2006 8:02:02 PM PST by SegFault
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To: Supernatural

And the mere mention of one can inflame liberals.......


49 posted on 02/04/2006 8:09:16 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: manwiththehands

Let us just go back in time a little bit. Lets see before the 1990's it was legal to have guns on many college campuses. It is the restrictions that are new. I know this is hard for some to believe but it is so. I know I had one in my car, dorm or purse. No one thought anything about it.


50 posted on 02/04/2006 8:11:11 PM PST by therut
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To: manwiththehands; right-wingin_It
And for good reason. How many of us want our kids going to a college kegger before some yahoo pulls out a gun and says: "Hey, dudes! Watch this!"

Oh, if we only had a dime....

51 posted on 02/04/2006 8:12:33 PM PST by md2576 (DOh! Did I forget my /sarc tag again?!?)
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To: md2576
We should start copying and pasting our links to polls so they can't see where we came from.

I don't know if the rest of the Freeposphere is listening,m but I am. That's an excellent idea, and I'm doing that from now on.

52 posted on 02/04/2006 8:18:03 PM PST by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: manwiththehands
Colleges are private institutions for a reason, and should be allowed to restrict certain "privileges" the rest of us have.

Private colleges, yes. Virginia Tech, VCU, and other institutions mentioned are state universities...i.e. public institutions on public property.

53 posted on 02/04/2006 8:18:11 PM PST by Oberon (As a matter of fact I DO want fries with that.)
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To: kachina
Gun control means using both hands while aiming.

Both hands. One pistol in each.

54 posted on 02/04/2006 8:18:15 PM PST by airborne
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To: SJackson
Thanks in large part, apparently, to a call to vote from the conservative Web site freerepublic.com

What?!

FR is not conservative. It's MAINSTREAM.

55 posted on 02/04/2006 8:18:51 PM PST by Fido969 ("Everybody out of the pool!")
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To: manwiththehands
Women are very vulnerable on college campuses.

You think college security is going to be around to help? Those guys are most likely going to be college kids themselves, doing security on a work-study basis. They're not obligated to help anyone.

So yes, there should be concealed-carry on campuses, definetly. Here in Green Bay, at the university there has been several high-profile sexual assaults. UWGB is surrounded by wooded areas, paths and the lakefront, as well as the highway. Walking out on campus at night you might as be wearing a "rob me" sign.

56 posted on 02/04/2006 8:30:52 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: manwiththehands
Virginia Tech is not a private college. It is a state and federallt supported land grant school.

When I attended VT (then VPI) we had guns (other than the issued ROTC M1) on a gun rack in my dorm room.

57 posted on 02/04/2006 9:06:06 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: manwiththehands
Virginia Tech is not a private college. It is a state and federallt supported land grant school.

When I attended VT (then VPI) we had guns (other than the issued ROTC M1) on a gun rack in my dorm room.

58 posted on 02/04/2006 9:06:08 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: airborne
Couple of serious problems with labeling this nonsense 'libel'.

Tort libel or criminal libel? This crap comes nowhere close to satisfying the elements of criminal libel; consult your local DA for confirmation of this point.

So, tortious libel, then. OK, the elements to satisfy are, in no particular order, and varying slightly by state: 1) The words written must be defamatory and demonstrably untrue (as they say, truth is the perfect defense against libel -- slander, too, btw), 2) The words written must cause provable damage to the subject of the alleged libel, and 3) The author of the words must be found to have or have had malice toward the subject of the alleged libel. Some jurisdictions add one or two other elements, typically minor ones.

Postulating that the untruth of this piece is demonstrable, for instance because of the curious non-Free-Republic user handles cited, element 1 may be satisfied as to falsity. Fraud constitutes falsity, for purposes of libel. Whether or not element 1 is satisfied as to defamation is a gigantic can of worms.

Element 2 is highly doubtful; has Mr. Robinson, or Free Republic, or indeed any poster suffered any sort of damage from the publication of this slop? Dubious at best. Please note that ''emotional damage'' is not typically citable as valid in libel actions, but again this will vary by jurisdiction.

Element 3 is probably demonstrable, given the tone of political ''discourse'' these days. Malice and malicious intent are everywhere, and easily shown as a general thing. Further, willful negligence in ''research'' prior to the article would also satisfy this element, and it's easy enough to believe that the author of this tripe was at least considerably negligent.

Would I rather take the part of the complainant or the respondent here? Easy. The respondent, unless I were highly confident in being able to empanel a jury of FReepers. Even then, I'd want to empanel only the hardest heads.

Libel is a non-starter here, m'friend -- why waste time and money, and aggravate oneself into the bargain?

Full disclosure: I am not nor ever have been involved in the practice of law. My experience with libel stems from having been a complainant in two such actions (both successful, thank you). We've any number of attorneys on here. Why not ping a few of them to the thread for some really expert advice?

Best to you, and FReegards!

59 posted on 02/04/2006 9:09:47 PM PST by SAJ
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To: TR Jeffersonian

ping


60 posted on 02/04/2006 9:17:38 PM PST by kalee
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