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Austria, Mexico battle over 'symbol of power'
Houston Chronicle ^ | Feb. 5, 2006 | MARION LLOYD

Posted on 02/05/2006 9:37:39 AM PST by Willie Green

At stake is the revered headdress called the 'crown of Moctezuma'

MEXICO CITY - For nearly 500 years, the jewel-encrusted, plumed headdress Mexicans revere as the "crown of Moctezuma" has been hidden away in the private collections of European royalty or behind bulletproof glass in a museum in Austria.

Now Mexico wants it back.

And Mexican officials said last month that they would formally petition Austria for the return of the relic, on display in the Ethnological Museum of Vienna. Many scholars think the headdress once belonged to the Aztec Emperor Moctezuma II, who was defeated by the Spanish in the 16th century.

"It is an archaeological piece of incalculable value for the history of our nation," Mexican Foreign Minister Ernesto Derbez told reporters. He said President Vicente Fox would personally ask for its return at a summit of Latin American and European leaders in Vienna in May if there is no progress before then.

But Austrian officials aren't interested in talking about it, at least for now.

"Any in-depth discussion of the headdress would certainly distract from the work of the Austrian presidency, running the risk that the headdress debate would overshadow the summit," an Austrian foreign ministry spokesman said in the Mexico daily Reforma last month.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: austria; derbez; godsgravesglyphs; hats; mexico; museum; relics
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1 posted on 02/05/2006 9:37:40 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: blam

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2 posted on 02/05/2006 9:38:01 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

"The headdress, which is crafted from more than 450 emerald feathers of the exotic quetzal bird and encrusted with precious jewels, is valued at $50 million."

3 posted on 02/05/2006 9:47:11 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Willie Green

Maybe Fox can use his friendship with Ahnold,who in turn can use his great relations with Austria./s


4 posted on 02/05/2006 9:47:47 AM PST by hschliemann
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To: Willie Green
How would such a thing end up in Austria.

This needs to be returned to Mexico and placed in the national museum.

5 posted on 02/05/2006 9:55:44 AM PST by DeaconNoGood
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To: Willie Green

More demands from Mexico. Aside from exporting their citizens, demanding is what they do best.


6 posted on 02/05/2006 9:57:59 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: DeaconNoGood
How would such a thing end up in Austria?

Ferdinand Maximilian Joseph, Archduke of Austria, became Emperor of Mexico when Napoleon III sought to extend French imperial power.-http://www.npg.si.edu/exh/brady/gallery/04gal.html

7 posted on 02/05/2006 10:06:47 AM PST by hschliemann
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To: Willie Green
How much is Mexico willing to pay for centuries of safekeeping and storage?
8 posted on 02/05/2006 10:07:53 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: Willie Green
I used to react rather childishly to this sort of childish national posture: "screw 'em".

I have gotten older and more practical. The "return our national treasure" malaise seems only to afflict those countries with the greatest poverty of achievement.

I say give them back their feathers and their rocks. The only thing that gives them any value at all is the interest displayed by cultures better than their own. To what end? Curiosity; plain and simple. Exactly as with a two-headed monkey in formaldehyde.

Why do they want these trinkets back? Since they feel so inferior in real achievement in the modern world, they need imaginary past (and totally useless) glories in which to "feel better' about themselves. A sort of inferiority therapy which, in the end, will cause all these "treasures" to rot, to fade away, exactly as their totally barbarous and useless cultures have.

Do I feel my life and modern civilization has gained a single useful thing from these societies? I would be pleased to debate anyone out there who feels that I have.
I certainly feel no such gratitude or obligation of any sort.

9 posted on 02/05/2006 10:08:17 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Willie Green

It appears Austria is about to find out about Moctezuma's revenge, or is it Montezuma's revenge?


10 posted on 02/05/2006 10:23:04 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DeaconNoGood

Cortes, the subject of a Hapsburg monarch, recieved it as a gift from Montezuma.
He sent it back to Charles V as an example of what he had found in Mexico. From there it went to Charle's capital of Vienna (Charles was Holy Roman Emperor as well as King of Spain).


11 posted on 02/05/2006 10:23:12 AM PST by CondorFlight
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To: Willie Green
Resplendent Quetzal

The Resplendent Quetzal is found in southern Mexico and in Central America. There are two subspecies, Pharomachrus mocinno mocinno and P. mocinno costaricensis, the Costa Rican Resplendent Quetzal. This quetzal plays an important role in Mesoamerican myth.

Resplendent Quetzals are striking birds, with a green body (showing iridescence from green-gold to blue-violet) and red breast. They possess green upper tail coverts that hide their tails and in breeding males are particularly splendid, being longer than the rest of the body. The wing coverts are also unusually long and give a fringed appearance.

(snip) The bird plays a prominent role in the region's Pre-Columbian mythology with the Aztecs and in modern legend. Ancient Mesoamerican kings and high priests wore headdresses of quetzal feathers, connecting them to one of their pronounced pagan gods, Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl was the creator god and god of wind, often depicted with grey hair. In several Mesoamerican languages, the term for quetzal can also mean precious, sacred or erected.

Until recently, it was thought that the Resplendent Quetzal could not be bred or held for any long time in captivity, and indeed it was noted for usually killing itself soon after being captured or caged. For this reason it is a traditional symbol of liberty. (However, a zoo in Mexico has kept this species since 1992, and in 2004 successful breeding in captivity was announced [Orellana, 2004].)

The Resplendent Quetzal is Guatemala's national bird, and an image of it is on the flag and the national seal of that country.

One Guatemalan legend claims that the quetzal used to sing beautifully before the Spanish conquest, but has been silent ever since—but will sing once again when the land is truly free.

- Wikipedia

12 posted on 02/05/2006 10:36:23 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Publius6961
Publius6961:

You know that the ancient peoples of Mexico; Aztecs, Toltecs and others built grand cities and had very unique cultures.

Also, they apparently were quite savage. Human sacrifice was a significant part of their "religious" rituals.

The worship of Quetzalcoatl, the demon feathered serpent god, still has its ill affects on Mexico today even though it has been eclipsed by Roman Catholicism. Mexico is a strange mix of ancient culture and Spanish culture and has suffered for centuries.

I agree with your view, that they seek this headset because it re-connects them to the "glory" years of Aztec culture, thereby invigorating their national pride and somehow improving their self esteem.

13 posted on 02/05/2006 10:44:27 AM PST by DeaconNoGood
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To: Publius6961

But surely you know thatcolonial imperialism is responsible for all that ails the third world. (sarc)


14 posted on 02/05/2006 10:47:35 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: DeaconNoGood

Probably via a connection with Maximillian, the Hapsburg Napoleon III made Emperor of Mexico during the U.S Civil War, and who Benito Juarez executed after the French troops supporting him left Mexico[after seeing U.S Grant and Phil Sheridan mass a U.S Army accross the border].


15 posted on 02/05/2006 10:53:50 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: DeaconNoGood
You know that the ancient peoples of Mexico; Aztecs, Toltecs and others built grand cities and had very unique cultures.
So what? Europeans did that too, and continue doing it to this very day.

Also, they apparently were quite savage. Human sacrifice was a significant part of their "religious" rituals.
As were many Europeans; However, the Europeans generally stopped that nonsense around 300 AD.

I agree with your view, that they seek this headset because it re-connects them to the "glory" years of Aztec culture, thereby invigorating their national pride and somehow improving their self esteem.
An exercise in self-delusion. I see no glory of any kind there... Just ignorance, brutality and death...

Whatever floats their boat.
I repeat, give them back their feathers and rocks!

16 posted on 02/05/2006 10:59:47 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Willie Green; SunkenCiv
There's a precident for returning it.

Italy Returns Obelisk To Ethiopa

17 posted on 02/05/2006 11:00:27 AM PST by blam
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To: ClaireSolt
But surely you know thatcolonial imperialism is responsible for all that ails the third world. (sarc)

The most ignorant among us react to small exposure to history exactly like the mindless arabs.
I know someone who went to Peru once, and as a result he displays a hatred of Spaniards that literally makes him physically ill...
The ignorant believe, as an article of faith, that their pathetic limited exposure to the world and history defines the entire universe. And, of course, gives them limitless license to pontificate.

18 posted on 02/05/2006 11:03:37 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: CondorFlight

I guess that makes them "Indian" givers.


19 posted on 02/05/2006 11:26:15 AM PST by Spirited
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To: Willie Green
Not liking Mexico anymore than I like Austria, I have to ask, exactly what right does Mexico have to this headdress over Austria, other than the fact that the Aztecs once lived on land now occupied by the Mexicans? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, though I am not, but the Aztecs are a dead people. Those not killed by small pox and other great diseases brought over by the conquering militant Europeans were killed by Pizzaro, Coronado and other Conquistadors, until the Aztecs were no more.

Unlike the Myans, there are not even any half bread descendants of the Aztecs, their language, culture, rituals (thankfully), and all other aspects of Aztec existence are wiped from the face of the planet, save artifacts and old structures covered with foliage the past 400+ years. The Mexicans ancestors are the ones who murdered the Aztec civilization and raped and murdered many hundreds of other cultures into extinction or near extinction throughout North, Central, and South America. While the U.S. gets most of the liberal blame for wiping out Native American cultures, the British, French, and primarily the Spanish, did FAR FAR more damage to hundreds more Native American cultures in over 300 years of brutal conquest than America ever did in just the 1800s. But I digress.

Were there some Aztecs left, like there are many tribes which still exist in the U.S., or were it a Myan artifact and it was Myans who were wanting it back, I'd side with them all the way, but the modern inhabitants of Mexico have no more claim to this Aztec headdress than I do, or Mickey Mouse does. I wish I was leader of Austria so I could, off the record in private conversation, tell Vicente Fox and the other people wanting it back, to screw off, and just try to come and get it. Mexico. Whatever.

20 posted on 02/05/2006 11:39:37 AM PST by TexasPatriot8 (Vote Republican. A conservative America, for a better future.)
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