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Why not to panic on Islam (barflet alert)
UPI ^ | February 7, 2006 | Martin Walker

Posted on 02/07/2006 9:20:16 AM PST by Tenniel

Christian Europe is at risk of becoming Eurabia, outbred and overtaken by Islamic immigration, and a crucial battleground on the clash of civilizations that seems to be under way. [...] This alarmist view is fueled by three dangerous and misleading myths [...] that there is any such phenomenon as European Islam[;] that the native Europeans have been so sapped of their reproductive vigor that the higher birth rates of the Muslim immigrants threaten to replace traditionally Christian Europe[;] that this great wave of immigration is necessarily an ominous challenge to Christian Europe...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abuhamza; assimilation; eurabia; europeanmuslims; immigration; islam; islamicreform; tariqramadan; westerncivilization
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UPI editor Walker characterizes these 'myths' as 'ludicrous' and as the fuel for an 'alarmist view.' Citing circumstances and events in Germany, Turkey, France, and the U.S., he envisions a future of 'open and liberal' European policies and the mobilization of 'public opinion and public policy' to solve Islamic immigration problems. Ostrich, meet Pollyanna. (PS - This is my first news/op-ed post; please be kind!)
1 posted on 02/07/2006 9:20:19 AM PST by Tenniel
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To: Tenniel

"outbred and overtaken", the author forgot to mention outsmarted.


2 posted on 02/07/2006 9:23:37 AM PST by exnavy (God bless Amreica)
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To: Tenniel

"....that the native Europeans have been so sapped of their reproductive vigor.."

reply form UK

I just wish I could have my vasectomy reversed!

"Wife we have our patriotic duty to perform!"

good excuse anyway.

kind regards!



4 posted on 02/07/2006 9:25:51 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: Tenniel

The author will reaslize the reality when they chop his stoooopid head offff!


5 posted on 02/07/2006 9:25:55 AM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: exnavy

Europe isn't Christian anymore, and that happened without the help of Muslims.


6 posted on 02/07/2006 9:26:19 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Tenniel

I guess Walker has never read some of OBL,Zarahiri and other Islamists writings beginning in 1996,where they instruct followers to COLONIZE EUROPE!


7 posted on 02/07/2006 9:28:09 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: Tenniel

Martin sounds like he is on the CAIR payroll!


8 posted on 02/07/2006 9:28:32 AM PST by Pylot
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To: Tenniel

This article is whistling past the graveyard. - tom


9 posted on 02/07/2006 9:29:03 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: exnavy

"outbred and overtaken", the author forgot to mention outsmarted...!

what gets me is slistening to these Islamist sort they are dull as brushes and yet have still outsmarted the illiberal left.

there was a bit of news today about the Anglican church wanting to take a pro-paistinian, pro gay stance. Try to mix those two?

Szasz said "to be right you don't have to be intelligent but you do have to be brave"

Kind regards


10 posted on 02/07/2006 9:29:50 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: RexBeach

"Europe isn't Christian anymore, and that happened without the help of Muslims...."

true and then true again.


11 posted on 02/07/2006 9:31:14 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: Tenniel

Neville Chamberlain would approve.


12 posted on 02/07/2006 9:38:06 AM PST by randita
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To: Tenniel
Gee, I'm glad to learn government birth rate statistics are only a 'myth'.

And local birthrates are starting to rise again in Britain, Sweden, Germany and France.

I wish he had given his source. Is it a 'blip' or a trend?

13 posted on 02/07/2006 9:47:33 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Tenniel

What is this guy's point? Europe is being outbred and overrun. He says it may not last, but that is what is happening now. Europe is dealing with a pressing set of Muslim needs and demands. Who cares if the people pressing the demands through violence against Europeans and their governements get along with each other? That will, no doubt, be a problem when they try to come together to from a Muslim state, but it has little to do with the gravity of the current set of conflicts.

The problem is that many of us reading these words doubt that Europe has either the will or the means to stop the rioting or curb the march to power of the leaders who will follow the rioting into positions in the government.

If Europe does not have the means or will then we confront a period of dreadful conflict. Hitler emerged on a pro-German platform. Will we see his like? The French Colony in Algeria was overrun and the population dispossessed. Can it happen in France?

The problem with this essay is that it treats current adversity as unlikely to continue and future favorable uncertainties as likely to emerge. What is there to justify such a rosy view?

I don't particularly want to see a Muslim Europe emerge, and I fear a Nazi-like emergence of a European populace resisting the change.

I am worried even if this author is not.


14 posted on 02/07/2006 9:49:07 AM PST by VaFarmer
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What is this guy's point? Europe is being outbred and overrun.

His point is that you are wrong. You nor I may agree but that is his point.

What this, and many other thing, ultimately boils down to is whether we really believe that freedom is God given, an inner burning desire of each individual. If so, he makes some good points.

What is needed is the courage to expel the rabble rousing Imams and any who exhort others to violence. That is why the left pushes political correctness. They want to shame us into accepting these destructive influences. Their goal is our destruction and they support all who will do that.

In China, Russia, the Mideast and other countries we are depending on the natural desire for freedom to carry the day.

Are we right? What do you think? That is the larger question.

15 posted on 02/07/2006 10:11:57 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Tenniel
Leftism will defend multiculturalism and mass immigration to the bitter end, no matter what the consequences. As part of their religious belief in egalitarianism they must eliminate successful European nations to level the field. At least that was the theory that motivated many of them, in reality it has long since degenerated into a bitter racist hatred of white people as concrete and murderous as Auschwitz. Remember how the liberal press has spent the last few decades screaming and screeching about toothless old Christian sects like the Catholics or the Southern Baptists? Now they welcome with open arms a religious group, Muslims, whose most moderate members make Jerry Falwell look like a gay Unitarian. What's the difference? They ain't white and they ain't Western, all other considerations are put aside.

This portrayal of immigrant groups as wonderful for the economy is a con game. The left doesn't give a damn about whether they are good for the economy, they only care that they are destructive to the culture and national cohesion, and they know just what button to push to grease the program through: greed.

In the conflict between multiculturalism and traditional Western freedoms, the establishment will rape freedom. They don't get power from freedom. They get power from divide and conquer multiculturalism and the nanny state needed to administer it. Islamic censorship in the West is just an offshoot of the last several decades of politically correct censorship, and could only happen because that earlier censorship paved the way for it and legitimized it.

16 posted on 02/07/2006 10:31:09 AM PST by jordan8
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To: Tenniel

Nice work.


17 posted on 02/07/2006 10:38:41 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: VaFarmer

And with the nukular world we live in, the situation could become far more dire than it was even under Hitler.


18 posted on 02/07/2006 10:41:13 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: jordan8

That's a good analysis. Harsh, but containing much truth.


19 posted on 02/07/2006 10:42:56 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: siunevada
"And local birthrates are starting to rise again in Britain, Sweden, Germany and France. I wish he had given his source. Is it a 'blip' or a trend?

Of course birth rates are rising. What this imbecilic little socialist isn't telling you is that they are skyrocketing in the muzzy enclaves. Muzzy women are kept under lock and key primarily to keep them as breeding stock. Their sole purpose in life is to pop out one little muzzy after another. This is very much a part of muzzy tactics. They do it very intentionally for the sole purpose of out populating the trusting fools that let them move "peaceably" into their countries.

20 posted on 02/07/2006 10:48:19 AM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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