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Judge: No credible evidence underage sex always harmful
Witchita Eagle ^ | 2/9/6 | ROXANA HEGEMAN

Posted on 02/10/2006 6:52:36 AM PST by ZGuy

A federal judge hearing a constitutional challenge to a Kansas law requiring doctors, teachers and others to report underage sex between consenting youths said the state presented no credible evidence that underage sex is always harmful.

U.S. District Judge J. Thomas Marten stopped short of issuing a decision from the bench, but he repeatedly interrupted Thursday's closing arguments by Assistant Attorney General Steve Alexander to challenge his assertions.

"Motives are irrelevant - I want to deal with facts," Marten said. "Where is the clear, credible evidence that underage sex is always injurious? If you tell me because it is illegal - I reject that," Marten said.

The lawsuit filed by The Center for Reproductive Rights, a New York advocacy group, stems from a 2003 opinion issued by Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline's opinion requiring health care providers and others to tell authorities about consensual sex by underage youths.

The group contends that forced reporting discourages adolescents from seeking counseling and medical treatment and violates their rights to informational privacy.

The Attorney General's Office contends the statute requires mandatory reporting because sex is inherently harmful to underage children. In Kansas, the age of consent is 16.

At issue in the Kansas case is what the Legislature meant when it wrote the statute to say that doctors and others must have a "suspicion of injury" caused by abuse and neglect to trigger mandatory reporting.

Marten has repeatedly asserted during the two-week trial that wording appears to indicate that the Legislature meant to vest some discretion. On Thursday, he said he would extend that same discretion not only to health care providers but also to teachers, social workers, firefighters and others required by law to report child abuse.

Bonnie Scott Jones, the attorney representing the Center for Reproductive Rights, said in closing arguments that before Kline issued his 2003 opinion, health care providers and others could exercise judgment about what to report. She said they have never been offered assurances they would not be prosecuted if they failed to report consensual sex among minors.

"The Kline opinion has very much changed the legal landscape in Kansas," Jones said.

She urged the court to issue a permanent injunction to eliminate that threat of prosecution.

During closing arguments by Alexander, the judge questioned the credibility of the state's expert witnesses who testified that underage sex should always be reported, but acknowledged under questioning they themselves were qualified to decide in their own practices whether it was appropriate to report it.

Marten told the state's attorneys they presented no credible evidence because he did not buy that "holier than thou" approach by their witnesses, saying he questioned their credibility because they don't adhere to the same standards they are espousing.

While the Kline opinion may have had no legal effect on how county attorneys prosecute their cases, the judge said, it was nonetheless the "catalyst" that raised serious questions among health care providers and others in Kansas about what consensual sexual activities between same-age minors needed to be reported.

"People who are affected by this statute absolutely have a right to know," Marten said.

The judge also noted that Kline and Sedgwick County District Attorney Nola Foulston, both named defendants in the lawsuit, had different interpretations of what sexual activities must be reported.

Kline testified that only significant penetrative sexual acts, such as sexual intercourse, needed to be reported. He even said on the stand that an underage girl performing oral sex on a boy need not be reported, but that a boy performing oral sex on a girl may need to be reported.

Foulston testified that any underage sexual contact between minors, such as the fondling of a girl's breasts, needs to reported.

Alexander told the judge that he couldn't respond to what was "seemingly in the eyes of the court a huge hypocrisy" by the witnesses. But he told the judge that the plaintiffs can't claim informational privacy where there is illegal sex among underage minors, and rejected claims that the state's reporting law was vague.

"They just don't like it. There is no evidence they don't understand it," Alexander said.

Assistant Attorney General Scott Hesse, who is representing Foulston in the lawsuit, said in his closing arguments that Kansas is looking out for the health of its children through the statute, which falls under its child protection laws.

"It is a crime to have sex with minors and it is a crime for minors under 16 to have sex. ... Since it is a crime, it is also a cause for mandatory reporters to report the crime," Hesse said.

The judge said he would try to issue his written opinion early next week.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: jthomasmarten; judge; moralabsolutes; pedophilia; phillkline; thomasmarten; underage
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To: jwalsh07
That puzzle reminds me of that garden maze in The Shining. If I went in, I might never get out. Isn't Roe more about pregnancy than sex? Are not the two not co-extensive thanks to the pill et al?

How much snow is there in beautiful northeastern Connecticut? Is the book still in the twilight zone? Man, I learned a lot from it, disorganized though it was.

181 posted on 02/12/2006 4:42:56 PM PST by Torie
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To: jwalsh07
By the way, I don't think the legal elite is as interested in young teenagers screwing their brains out, as they are in covering up the evidence thereof. The privacy penumbra is like a Rorschach blot.
182 posted on 02/12/2006 4:47:14 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
Depends, some got two feet, others 15 inches or so. We are on the low end where usually we are on the high end. But the snow has very low water content. The blizzard of ought 6 wasn't as bad as the foot of heavy wet stuff we got last storm. The up side? It's pretty, there will be fewer heart attacks than with wet snow, Februrary was mild so the gorund is not as frozen as usual which means a quicker melt on the golf courses. Barring any more "blizzards" that is. :-}

No signs of the book, I spoke to the gal yesterday. She hasn't seen it. She thinks it must have been RTS, that's you. But I am looking forward to it....

Whatever the hell it's about.

183 posted on 02/12/2006 4:56:18 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Galveston Grl

In Kentucky until after world war 2 is that recent enough?


184 posted on 02/13/2006 3:04:23 AM PST by bigsigh
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To: mlc9852

Your're all replying to comment and I put my original comment into the context into which it was made.


185 posted on 02/13/2006 3:05:07 AM PST by bigsigh
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