Posted on 02/11/2006 5:52:00 PM PST by gobucks
NEW YORK -- Nearly 450 Christian churches around the country plan to celebrate the 197th birthday of Charles Darwin on Sunday with programs and sermons intended to emphasize that his theory of biological evolution is compatible with faith and that Christians have no need to choose between religion and science. "It's to demonstrate, by Christian leaders and members of the clergy, that you don't have to make that choice. You can have both," said Michael Zimmerman, dean of College of Letters and Sciences at University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh, who organized the event.
(snip) "Evolution Sunday" has drawn participation from a variety of denominational and non-denominational churches, including Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Congregationalist, United Church of Christ, Baptist and a host of community churches, including at least 16 congregations in Illinois.
The event grew out of Zimmerman's The Clergy Letter Project, another effort to dispel the perception among many Christians that faith and evolution are mutually exclusive.
..the project has drawn 10,000 Christian clerics to sign a letter that concludes, "We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth."
Zimmerman said the letter project and the Sunday event were designed to educate Americans about two things. "The first part was to demonstrate to the American public that the shrill fundamentalist voices that were demanding that people had to choose between religion and science were simply wrong," he said.
"The second part was to demonstrate that those fundamentalist leaders that keep standing up and shouting that you can't accept modern science were not speaking for the majority of Christian leaders in this country."
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If an ERV is in the same place in the genome of any species of new world monkey and any species of old world monkey, it will also be found in the same place in all species of ape, including ourselves.
it will also be found in the same place in all species of ape, including ourselves.
Let me ask if this reword of the last phrase is correct:
"it will also be found in the same place in all species of ape, as well as in the same place in the species of ape we refer to as modern man"?
But regardless, my ridicule has reference to the metaphysics of evolution as opposed to repeatable, of course, scientific observation; so I will simply pass on your challenge.
But I continue in this vein. Scientists refine definitions when required for clarity & and expand definitions as warranted. For clarity, when justified to ward of contrary evidence or misunderstanding; expanding, when confident, from the specific to the more general. I issue no ridicule against that sequence of theory/challenge/experiment/observation or, if you prefer, observation/experiment/theory/challenge when devoid of metaphysics or in this case is it meta-biology(?). None of that is under my ridicule – in fact the reverse is true.
Certainly you understand the attacks on (my term beyond or outside physics) metaphysics by what has been & will continue to be circular reasoning; reasoning apparent when one discipline depends on another discipline which depends on … - well you get my drift. Even my beloved physics has problems, “action at a distance” being one.
But here is something you should consider if you have not. Mechanisms resulting in a change of state can not/should not be ignored. Thermodynamics finally came to conclude that a change of state of a “fluid” was independent of path (i.e. mechanism) so long as that path met very stringent conditions.
So what is the connection to “in the same place”? Simply this challenge “how long will it take biology/physics/chemistry to word the mechanism & conditions necessary for a change of state from step to step on your staircase diagram of one of the genome sequences?’.
Finally, & this is meant to ridicule metaphysics, do not forget the step above the last step in your diagram which will/has already led metaphysics to guess its contents. Could it be an ape eating a banana?.
thanks!
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ok; but compared to last year's darwin day?? the number was close to zero ... next year the trend will be a bit more measurable...
ahhhh. And the 2nd godfather of the 20th century? Marx or Eienstein?
"My guess is 90% of these people voted for Kerry and hate George Bush. Just a hunch having had some exposure to these "clergy."
I like the observation ... and it is amazing, here at FR, it goes little commented upon ... by those who share the worship of Darwin's religion....odd.
"...slavery is absolutely wrong."
Funny, this is not stated anywhere in the Bible. There are no commandments "Thou shall not purchase a human being" for example.
Of course, I teach Sunday School, and I have noticed the VAST majority of my fellow Christians refuse to discuss at length the implications of the book Philemon for example. OR a whole host of other verses which indicate God found Slavery to be an instrument of his will. For example, the Jews were as an entire tribe, slaves...; this was after Abraham was renamed from his original name, Abram if you recall...
So 'slavery' per se wasn't condemned. The Pharoah was not instructed to free all slaves.
Today, slavery is as much in play as ever, but now we are thoughtfully lie and call it 'human trafficking'. It is 'illegal'; sort of like Mary Jane is illegal. But folks don't talk very coherently about that either.
Btw, I'd be curious to any link that you would care to offer that explains exactly how you justify that 'slavery is absolutely wrong'. Who sez so? (Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't care to be owned or buy someone; I'm just curious how someone on your side of the fence defends this 'more')
source?
Oh?
Is this being typed on an IRS computer?
For one, I won't be surprised when it does!
this applies throughOUT the Bible; doesn't it? ;^)
I've found the hardest part is getting them to UNLEARN stuff they think they KNOW!!!
Where BOTH are slaves!
to the Master...
I can't recall where I saw it, but a recent expose was conducted about the writers of I.t.W, and the agenda they were grinding. Essentially, this movie, like so many others, were products of minds that gave rise to the red 'concern' (personally, I don't think nearly enough people were experiencing a 'scare').
I need to go to a physical therapist now, thank you, to recover some form for my rib muscles...
just perfect...and thanks. I had'nt seen the agnostic quote before...
I have good friends I joke w/ every winter about kwaza...we even buy each other cards.
But I had no clue it was a muslim who invented the holiday.
Many thanks for this bit...
amen!!
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