Where is the love? (Prenups)

The Lowell Sun ^ | 02/14/2006 | Rita Savard

[Tamar1973]

I thought family money, assets, and items aquired before marriage were exempt from a divorce settlement?

Depends on the state, probably.

[null and void]

Your thoughts ping?

Nope. I don't want to get banned.

[Tamar1973]

Is this controlling and money obsessed woman going to dictate the terms of the pre-nups, for her not even marriagable aged children?

Jews have had "prenups" for a long time (over 2000 years). They're called a ketubah. Considering most Orthodox Jewish marriages last longer than typical American marriages, I have reason to believe that the increasing prevalence of pre-nups have little to nothing to do with the permanence of the marriage.

[goodnesswins]

Not in "community property state" Washington

[goodnesswins]

see post 44

[Melas]

She's poisoning her children's future marriages.

Spoken like a true romantic without a shred of realism. Which means your own up and coming marriage will go well. It's the pragmatic bastard who's thinking himself into a life of misery. Kudos to you. You get it.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Your thoughts...?

I think this woman has abrogated her parental duties by relying on a stinking piece of paper that forces her children to do her bidding.

She should try to forge something positive with her kids and teach them how to pick a good mate and build solid relationships...instead of being so frakkin' cynical.

She is typical of the yuppie scum that infest this Commonwealth.
Just m'thoughts....since you asked.

[goodnesswins]

You have a VERY good point....however, their are come really morally corrupt people out there.....and sometimes they hide it VERY well.....until later.

[goodnesswins]

come=some

[technochick99]

He recalled a personal friend who waited to "drop the bomb" the day before his wedding. "He was nervous, thinking his bride-to-be might call the wedding off," Kane says. "I wouldn't recommend leaving the discussion for the last minute like he did. But she still agreed to marry him."

Too funny. This situation would lead to the prenup getting shot down in court.

[LWalk18]

I think this woman has abrogated her parental duties by relying on a stinking piece of paper that forces her children to do her bidding.

How is she controlling them? She doesn't owe them an inheritance at all, and they are not obligated to take her money. If they don't want a prenup they can make their own way in life and she still gives them their inheritance in time for retirement.

[Paperdoll]

>But when it's the woman with the money they insist on the prenup<

Well, is it any wonder? Wasn't that long ago when everything a woman owned became exclusively her husband's property on her wedding day. Can you blame us?

[LWalk18]

I thought family money, assets, and items aquired before marriage were exempt from a divorce settlement?

Not if those assets are comingled during the marriage.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

How is she controlling them?

You think that this is the only instance of this woman thinking this way with regards to raising her children?
I say it reveals very much about her character.
If her children grow up and say, "Screw you mumsy. I'll marry whomever I damned well please."...then good for them. They will have grown up with some decent values despite her.

[jocon307]

"This situation would lead to the prenup getting shot down in court."

You are correct, quite arguably such timing would constitute "duress".

[TheSpottedOwl]

There are also such things as children who feel they are entitled.

Oh yes, "everyone owes me...I'm entitled"! Yep, I know a couple of those. If not money, and unless the children are utterly greedy and/or worthless, jewelry and antiques should go to them, to be passed to the grandchildren. Sometimes by the time one dies, medical costs and courts have eaten up the entire bank balance.

[ladyjane]

Sure the kids should be treated well but some grubby kids believe the money is theirs. These same kids somehow believe it's okay to treat their parents poorly.

[TheSpottedOwl]

I'd have to look at CA law to see what's up. It was always my understanding that what you had before marriage stayed your property, but anything acquired during the marriage was community property.

A prenup is probably best when someone is into their second marriage. IIRC, back in the day, families drew up contracts before the wedding. Of course those were arranged marriages.

[sauropod]

"Women have moved up the socio-economic ladder. They're partners in law firms, doctors and professors, and they want to secure their investments."

But it's ok to shaft husbands and fathers in family court, eh Rita?

[TheSpottedOwl]

How do you mean comingled? If you inherited Ming vases for example, and place them in the shared home, is that comingling? I thought for sure that inheritances received during the marriage were not thought of as community property.