Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
that's not a silly suggestion at all...
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I cannot quite agree with that. IMO, the Kamikaze was just an attempt by a defeated bunch of fanatics to cause as many deaths as possible. I find them quite similar to today's suicide bombers. had they been closer to the west coast, they would likely have taken out civilians as well.
It was knowing the fanaticism of the Japanese that lead to Truman's decision to drop da bomb(s).
YMMV
Posted by dennisw to Fred Nerks
On News/Activism 02/21/2006 8:06:06 AM PST · 12 of 21
Indeed -- and isn't this the nub of the matter for "infidels" in "infidel" lands -- isn't this why we're right to worry about Muslims in our midst... There seems to be no framework, even among Muslims, in the spheres of Islam to tell who will listen and take seriously the latest "pronouncement" or "fatwa" or whatever from a "religious scholar"... In fact, there doesn't seem to be any real formal framework for exactly who can issues these pompous edicts - - the local psychopath seems as qualified as the distant one to issue such death warrants -- and there does not seem to be any way of divining which Muslim, crackpot or otherwise, from among the citizens who identify themselves as Muslims, will take this "edict" seriously and act on it... The Muslims newlywed (male or female) who is only 22 and we never thought he/she would do something like this... The mother who gave birth just 6 months ago -- nevertheless -- she may just strap a bomb on herself and blow up a bunch of Jews, or a bunch of Americans, or a bunch of fill-in-the-blanks who got in the way, or were in the wrong place at the wrong time when the Muslim monster came feeding...
This blood drenched "religion" -- which really isn't a religion but an ideology of hatred thievery rape murder mayhem and world domination which cloaks itself as a religion...
Islam has no mechanism, it would seem, to help Muslim or non-Muslim differentiate between what is mortally dangerous and what is not.
Islam has no mechanism, it would seem, to help Muslim or non-Muslim differentiate between which Muslim from among the herd is mortally dangerous and which is not.
The venom of Islam must be removed from our domain. Islam doesn't belong in our secular pluralistic Judeo/Christian lands... As the vector of Islam, Muslims the spreaders of the venom and violence of Islam, they, and solely they are the instruments of destruction through Islam... It is fair to conclude that Muslims don't belong in our Western secular pluralistic Judeo/Christian lands... There's nothing intolerant about this... It's logical, it's reasonable, and it's essential if we wish to flourish, and live in peace in the modern world we have successfully created...
Why are we obligated to allow these hate filled Islamic bigots into our midst?
Why must we sit by while these hate filled Islamic bigots dismantle our culture, undermine our foundations, sully our accomplishments, and erode the very rights and institutions which have brought so much invention, wealth, art, science, and philosophy to the world?
Why do we continue to let them attempt to blow out the flame of everything we have accomplished?
Why are we living in fear in our own homelands because they are here? How much longer will we permit this to continue?
Posted by: jsla at January 31, 2006 08:41 PM
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/009983.php
Eff off.
Sweetie ;)
nice friends you've got.
Hey,
Twit,
You started it....
Don't pull that whiney 'she's mean to me!' crap after coming after me twice and me feeding it right back to you.
I have zero tolerance for bullies and even less with poor attempts at wit or humor.
Deal with it.
The he is a she, so I'm told,
and right now,
If anyone on the planet has feelings they don't want ripped on,
Stay the hell away from me.
Not you,
Oh yeah,
I gotta get back to you on trash.
;)
Don't doubt yourself. You are on the right track
thank you.
Fred nerks: The subject matter is much greater in scope than the simple story of one opportunistic, conniving, cunning individual who established a cult following that still thrives into our own times.
The short version is I agree with both of you. I think the move of Mad Mo needs to be made, and perhaps a shortened version made available for downloading... a kind of digital samizdat.
The outcry surrounding this will guarantee publicity, and interest.
The follow up associated movies, articles etc can address other aspects of the cult and its historical background. Keep kicking at it and exposing it.
Who will produce it? I suggest setting up a front company... call on ex-muslim talent, the "Ibn Warraqs", "Ali Sinas", Ayan Hirsi Alis, to see if they have any interest.... I understand the first two are pseudonyms... if we cant get them, other "ex-muslim pseudonyms" may be the way.. ;o)
Thank you..
CAIR and its associates should be at the top of the list of targets.
LOL.
When you're back up from ducking from cover, see my #914
Hey, doesn't a movie, regardless of length or scope, always start with a script? Methinks we need a Writer. The book, THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD would be a good start. Have you read it?
I once, ages ago suggested Mel Gibson. Has anyone any idea where one might find him? What's the name of his company, agent or whatever? ( I did then, jokingly say, the film could be made in Australia, we have over 500,000 feral camels...)
I can't vote for TGP! I'm an Australian. pssst...that's a TERRIBLE name.
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