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Driver Responsibility Tax Surprises Out of State Motorist
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/09/971.asp ^ | 2/21/2006

Posted on 02/21/2006 7:31:59 AM PST by getsoutalive

New laws allow some states to tax drivers annually -- even if they live in another state -- simply because they received a speeding ticket. One Connecticut motorist, who asked that his name not be used, discovered this after driving in October in Niagara Falls, New York. Despite being caught in what he considered a brazen speed trap -- the speed limit was 45 MPH where he was caught, but 55 MPH at the same location in the opposite direction -- he accepted the $155 fine for driving 72 MPH thinking by paying the matter would be settled.

Last week, however, the state of New York notified him that it now considers him an "at risk" driver and therefore he must either pay the state an annual $100 tax or a lump sum of $300.

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Just......speechless.
1 posted on 02/21/2006 7:32:00 AM PST by getsoutalive
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To: getsoutalive

ping for later


2 posted on 02/21/2006 7:32:30 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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To: getsoutalive

There just aren't enough middle fingers on a single human body to express what my feelings would be to them if I ever got a notice like that.


3 posted on 02/21/2006 7:34:16 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: getsoutalive

bump


4 posted on 02/21/2006 7:34:35 AM PST by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: getsoutalive

That's a law waiting for a test case.


5 posted on 02/21/2006 7:38:06 AM PST by wideawake
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To: getsoutalive
Although I can see the arguments for and against this policy, this even if they live in another state is unacceptable. What right or power can the state of New York have to tax a driver in say Missouri or Nevada.
6 posted on 02/21/2006 7:39:28 AM PST by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: getsoutalive
Legalized theft!
7 posted on 02/21/2006 7:39:42 AM PST by chapin2500
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To: getsoutalive

It gives new meaning to the term *highway robbery*. Thank you NYS. And polititions can't figure out why people are leaving or not moving here. They're just shooting themselves in the foot with their outrageous legislation. I want out of here sooooo bad.


8 posted on 02/21/2006 7:39:56 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: dpa5923; lightingguy

Agreed. The out of state aspect is outrageous.


9 posted on 02/21/2006 7:40:55 AM PST by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: dpa5923

Can't the CT driver tell NY to pound sand?


10 posted on 02/21/2006 7:41:49 AM PST by rahbert
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To: getsoutalive

speed trap what a hoot! he was doing at least 75 in the 45. the cop gave him a break by writing the ticket under 75. they should send him another ticket lol.


11 posted on 02/21/2006 7:42:29 AM PST by Omglol
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To: getsoutalive
Wow. Another creative form of governmental extortion.
12 posted on 02/21/2006 7:43:01 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: getsoutalive

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know Michigan also had this "tax". I'm going to have to look this up.


13 posted on 02/21/2006 7:43:14 AM PST by Flifuss (SCE to Aux.)
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To: getsoutalive

We've got the same thing in Michigan. I got a ticket for not having my proof of insurance ($95 fine). Then I have to pay a "driver's responsibility fee" to the State of Michigan of $200 a year for two years. So my $95 ticket is actually $495! I suppose I'd rather the state get $400 from me this way then have them take $400 from me in more income tax. At least I won't drive without my proof of insurance again!


14 posted on 02/21/2006 7:46:00 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: getsoutalive
Despite being caught in what he considered a brazen speed trap -- the speed limit was 45 MPH where he was caught, but 55 MPH at the same location in the opposite direction -- he accepted the $155 fine for driving 72 MPH thinking by paying the matter would be settled.

Uh... DUH!

Just goes to show: FIGHT EVERY TICKET!

15 posted on 02/21/2006 7:46:23 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: getsoutalive

I think he should refuse to pay.If this "tax" isn't one that's also levied on residents of the State of New York,I can't see how a Federal court would allow the law to stand.


16 posted on 02/21/2006 7:47:02 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: getsoutalive

Taxation without representation?


17 posted on 02/21/2006 7:47:52 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: getsoutalive

What are you all griping about? It's only NON-VOTERS in other states who are getting robbed, err, taxed, and after all, it's only to enforce highway safety, for the chillens, and how could you claim that "speeding" laws are just revenue makers.


18 posted on 02/21/2006 7:50:31 AM PST by jonascord ("As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!")
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To: mvpel
Just goes to show: FIGHT EVERY TICKET!

IMO,the fact that the speed limit was lower on one side of the road than the other doesn't necessarily mean it's a speed trap.It could be due to a curve in the road,a nearby hill,or off-ramp or on-ramp,etc,etc.

But as for the "fine" itself,it's clearly BS.

19 posted on 02/21/2006 7:51:18 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: getsoutalive

State government cost must be out of control. I suspect it's the defined benefit pension plans that were sweetened up in the late 1990's / early 2000's during the stock market bubble. Now these plans are underperforming and State's are looking for new sources of revenue anywhere they can, ethical or not, legal or not.


20 posted on 02/21/2006 7:52:12 AM PST by mpreston
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To: getsoutalive

"...he must either pay the state an annual $100 tax or a lump sum of $300."

Brought to you by the state that spawned Upchuck Schumer and the Heinous Harridan, the two RATs that never met a tax they didn't like. Is anyone surprised?


21 posted on 02/21/2006 7:52:14 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: getsoutalive

Unbelievable!


22 posted on 02/21/2006 7:54:02 AM PST by pepperdog
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To: getsoutalive
Please allow me to apologize for all the communists in NYS who have created this and many more insidious laws. Would it be possible for the other 49 states to declare war on NYS? Under the interstate commerce clause, is NYS allowed to do this?
23 posted on 02/21/2006 7:54:16 AM PST by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: getsoutalive

That makes one not want to go back to NY


24 posted on 02/21/2006 7:54:36 AM PST by Element187
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To: getsoutalive

I would dare them to come across state lines to collect.


25 posted on 02/21/2006 7:55:55 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: o_zarkman44

When Hitlery shows up wanting her money....lol


26 posted on 02/21/2006 7:57:42 AM PST by MadeInAmerica ( - Tested in the Middle East)
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To: Tokra
We've got the same thing in Michigan.

No it is not the same thing.
The same thing would be if an Ohio driver got a ticket in Michigan, then after paying said ticket received a notice at their home in Ohio from Michigan state, claiming they are an "at risk" driver in Michigan and have to pay an additional "driver's responsibility fee"

27 posted on 02/21/2006 7:58:58 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: pepperdog

OMG, even Texas! I can't believe it!


28 posted on 02/21/2006 7:59:58 AM PST by pepperdog
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To: ShadowAce

Seems like it to me. How can NY tax somebody in Ct?

Unreal...


29 posted on 02/21/2006 8:00:16 AM PST by CitadelArmyJag ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man with no convictions" G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Justanobody

New York has been charging income tax to out-of-staters for years. Ask Rush.


30 posted on 02/21/2006 8:00:44 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: getsoutalive

Well, since Her Thighness can't bring jobs and tax revenues to upstate NY,
I guess they've got to take matters into their own hands!


31 posted on 02/21/2006 8:00:54 AM PST by aShepard
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To: getsoutalive
Unbelievable.

Guess the cigarette tax money is slowly dissolving so they will have to find other ways to support their tax and spend policies.

32 posted on 02/21/2006 8:03:34 AM PST by Dustbunny (Islam is not a religion it is a CULT whose leader is Satan.)
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To: getsoutalive
I'm not sure how enforceable that bill would be on someone from another state.

They would have to look for him when in New York to collect, I would imagine.
33 posted on 02/21/2006 8:04:25 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: Justanobody

I have a friend who had a snowmobile accident 3 years ago in MI. 3 years he had to pay this fee, whether he came back into the state or not.


34 posted on 02/21/2006 8:04:34 AM PST by digger48
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To: o_zarkman44

"I would dare them to come across state lines to collect."

I doubt if they would. The thing is, if they ever catch you there again they'll probably demand payement then.


35 posted on 02/21/2006 8:07:45 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: getsoutalive; concretebob; Flora McDonald; Gabz
Driver responsibility taxes were inspired by the insurance industry practice of turning minor speeding violations into a recurring source of revenue.

Though sold as affecting only "bad drivers" like those convicted of driving while drunk or on a suspended license, the extra fees kick in with just a few points on the driving record.

Michigan, New Jersey and Texas also impose this tax, and the idea is spreading.

With a 34-6 vote on Friday, the Virginia state Senate approved a "bad driver" tax championed by new governor Timothy M. Kaine (D) that is expected to net $67.2 million in the first year and a total of $401.4 million by 2010. The state House has not yet acted on the measure.

Guess it is time to move.....

36 posted on 02/21/2006 8:08:37 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: AmishDude

Yes, I've heard Rush go off on that, and rightfully so, but this is for the sole purpose of getting a traffic ticket as you drive through another state!?!?


37 posted on 02/21/2006 8:10:14 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: digger48; Tokra

My apologies, I had not read the full article when I posted before. The slippery slope has become a steep hill.


38 posted on 02/21/2006 8:12:58 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: getsoutalive

39 posted on 02/21/2006 8:13:36 AM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: Dustbunny; SheLion; Gabz

Guess the cigarette tax money is slowly dissolving ... PING


40 posted on 02/21/2006 8:14:15 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Pessimist

Drivers make mistakes all the time. Any state that treats it's guests with outrageous ponzi revenue schemes is not worth visiting anyhow.

This has to be nipped in the bud at the USSC.


41 posted on 02/21/2006 8:14:35 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: getsoutalive

Wow.. a blue state figuring out how to "tax" folks without representation.... who would have thunk it? /sarcasm


42 posted on 02/21/2006 8:15:00 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Justanobody

I guess I was wrong about the 3 years, myself. In MI it's only 2. I'd not heard of this before last month.


43 posted on 02/21/2006 8:17:00 AM PST by digger48
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To: Justanobody
Though sold as affecting only "bad drivers" like those convicted of driving while drunk or on a suspended license, the extra fees kick in with just a few points on the driving record.

I personally don't consider 8 points on your record "just a few" which is when the VA tax would kick in (if it gets thru the house).....with that said, I'm not saying I approve of the legislation, but that "just a few" comment is plain wrong.

44 posted on 02/21/2006 8:17:29 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: Pessimist
As an out of state resident I fought a bogus parking ticket in Boston once. When I refused to pay it, they said they have the right to flag my license in my state and I could be refused renewal.

I didn't pay it and 13 years later continue to renew every year in my home state.

45 posted on 02/21/2006 8:18:04 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Gabz
I personally don't consider 8 points on your record "just a few" which is when the VA tax would kick in

Oh, I didn't read the bill. I didn't realize it didn't kick in until you had 8 points.

like those convicted of driving while drunk ...

I wonder when they will add - or smoking a cigarette?

46 posted on 02/21/2006 8:23:06 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: getsoutalive

If he lives in a different state, how can NY enforce this? I would ignore it.


47 posted on 02/21/2006 8:23:37 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Justanobody
The same thing would be if an Ohio driver got a ticket in Michigan, then after paying said ticket received a notice at their home in Ohio from Michigan state, claiming they are an "at risk" driver in Michigan and have to pay an additional "driver's responsibility fee"

Kind of like this - Ohio has a law that says vehicles must have a license plate on the front and back of the vehicle. Michigan only gives us one plate for the back. Several years ago I got pulled over in Ohio and was given a ticket for not having a plate on the front of my car. When I argued that I couldn't possibly have a second plate because Michigan didn't issue them, I was told "Too bad - we do"!

48 posted on 02/21/2006 8:24:31 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Justanobody
I wonder when they will add - or smoking a cigarette?

Please don't give them any more bright ideas........

49 posted on 02/21/2006 8:25:50 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: getsoutalive

Sounds to me like they're (well, in this case "we're") getting ready for all-the-time GPS tracking of all vehicles.


50 posted on 02/21/2006 8:30:04 AM PST by Steely Tom (Your taboos are not my taboos.)
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