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Supreme Court OKs Hallucinogenic Tea
Associated Press ^ | February 21, 2006 | Gina Holland

Posted on 02/21/2006 7:42:06 AM PST by AntiGuv

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday that a small congregation in New Mexico may use hallucinogenic tea as part of a four-hour ritual intended to connect with God.

Justices, in their first religious freedom decision under Chief Justice John Roberts, moved decisively to keep the government out of a church's religious practice. Federal drug agents should have been barred from confiscating the hoasca tea of the Brazil-based church, Roberts wrote in the decision.

The tea, which contains an illegal drug known as DMT, is considered sacred to members of O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal, which has a blend of Christian beliefs and South American traditions. Members believe they can understand God only by drinking the tea, which is consumed twice a month at four-hour ceremonies.

New Justice Samuel Alito did not take part in the case, which was argued last fall before Justice Sandra Day O'Connor before her retirement. Alito was on the bench for the first time on Tuesday.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: billofrights; constitutionlist; dea; dmt; donutwatch; doublestandard; drugs; firstamendment; freedomofreligion; govwatch; hallucinogenictea; hallucinogens; hoasca; hoascatea; psychedelics; psychotropicdrugs; psyechedelictea; religion; religiousexpression; religiousfreedom; ruling; scotus; supremecourt; wod; wodlist
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1 posted on 02/21/2006 7:42:07 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: AntiGuv

And suddenly the Church finds it's got hundreds more parishoners in their seats wishing to "convert"


2 posted on 02/21/2006 7:44:10 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: AntiGuv; Blurblogger; scott7278

Hmmmm does this open the door to any group, under the guise of religion, that wants to include illegal drugs into their relgious practices?


3 posted on 02/21/2006 7:44:58 AM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won't back down)
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To: apackof2

Let's just hope it doesn't open the door to "religious" groups who's stated goal is to convert us or kill us.


4 posted on 02/21/2006 7:45:53 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: apackof2
Hmmmm does this open the door to any group, under the guise of religion, that wants to include illegal drugs into their relgious practices?

I'd say so. Libertarians across the nation should be weeping with joy at this.

5 posted on 02/21/2006 7:46:37 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: AntiGuv
O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal

¿ Church of the holy vegetable spirit?

6 posted on 02/21/2006 7:46:42 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: apackof2

Hmmmm does this open the door to any group, under the guise of religion, that wants to include illegal drugs into their relgious practices?

I'd guess the group would have to establish a history of having used the illegal drug specifically and exclusively for religious practices.

7 posted on 02/21/2006 7:48:06 AM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: AntiGuv

Watch allot of "converts" claim this for their illegal drug use. People know NO lows when it comes to illegal drugs.


8 posted on 02/21/2006 7:49:24 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: AntiGuv

Good...actually it all should be legalized.Let them cull themselves.


9 posted on 02/21/2006 7:50:11 AM PST by TShaunK
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To: apackof2

The question will probably rest on whether the religion predates the regulation. This could be a precedent regarding multiple wives and Mormonism, etc. But if we moved back to the original understanding, a state legislature could ban the practice, if necessary.


10 posted on 02/21/2006 7:50:45 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: apackof2

No different than the Indians who get to use peyote in their practices.

There's a pretty high standard --- have to show historical use, tradition, etc.

A church of the "Magical Mystery Weed" with a Rev. who got ordained from a church he found the back of High Times magazine probably wouldn't cut it.


11 posted on 02/21/2006 7:51:03 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: theDentist; Cagey; MotleyGirl70

"So, Mr. Costanza, why do you wish to convert to O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal?"

"I think it's the tea."


12 posted on 02/21/2006 7:51:27 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: ml1954

"a blend of Christian beliefs and South American traditions"

So can anyone hybrid these faiths? Is it enough to cite the Brazilian tradition? Where does a person's "religion" begin?


13 posted on 02/21/2006 7:51:42 AM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: Larry Lucido

"... And the hats."


14 posted on 02/21/2006 7:52:08 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Church of the Holy Leafy Vegetable Substance.


15 posted on 02/21/2006 7:52:51 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: AntiGuv

Soon to open near you: Church of the Spirit Bong....


16 posted on 02/21/2006 7:55:00 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: cotton1706

Another question, could a person be denied employement for failing a drug test because of "religious drug use"?


17 posted on 02/21/2006 7:55:02 AM PST by weegee ("...the left can only take power through deception" -W. Chambers, former mem of Communist Party USA)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I see but check out post #10

Raises another issue

18 posted on 02/21/2006 7:56:45 AM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won't back down)
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To: apackof2

Well, it is illegal to give alcohol to minors, but in many churches kids get wine at communion.


19 posted on 02/21/2006 7:58:38 AM PST by conserv13
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To: conserv13
Well, it is illegal to give alcohol to minors, but in many churches kids get wine at communion.

People still get wine at communion? We get grape juice.

20 posted on 02/21/2006 8:01:02 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: cotton1706

For the record, polygamy is banned by the Utah Constitution, not by the Federal government. Way back in the day when people still understood what enumerated powers meant (when incidentally Federal prohibition laws didn't exist) it was acknowledged that the Federal government did not have the power to prohibit polygamy in a State. So, in order for Utah to become a State, they were required to enshrine polygamy bans in their Constitution, since the Federal territorial ban would be invalid upon Statehood.


21 posted on 02/21/2006 8:01:21 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: cotton1706
But if we moved back to the original understanding, a state legislature could ban the practice, if necessary.

Don't think so.

Not unless the People gave the legislature the authority to tell them what they could possess or ingest.

Oh, that's right. The People, not possessing that restrictive power ourselves, are incapable of giving something we don't possess to anyone.

Darn! It's that pesky Freedom thing again. :-)

22 posted on 02/21/2006 8:02:32 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I haven't stepped foot there in years, but I'm quite confident it's still wine at my Orthodox church's communion.


23 posted on 02/21/2006 8:02:42 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: AntiGuv

Another name for hosaca is Ayahuasca.

You need plants that are (currently) imported from South America.

Will SCOTUS allow this church to grow their own DMT-containing plants, or will they need to be imported still?

BTW if you have phalaris aquatica grass on your land, you are growing a plant that contains DMT. Likewise Illinois Bundleflower and several others- you can now start your own church!


24 posted on 02/21/2006 8:03:35 AM PST by DBrow
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To: AntiGuv

Interesting.

I suspect the switch to grape juice in various faiths may have something to do with sensitivities toward any alcoholics in the congregation who would be unable to participate (or may want to participate a little too often...)


25 posted on 02/21/2006 8:05:11 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Lutherans get wine, Baptists get grape juice. If you want to get a blast in church, come over to the Dark Side.


26 posted on 02/21/2006 8:06:10 AM PST by jonascord ("As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!")
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To: conserv13

"Well, it is illegal to give alcohol to minors, but in many churches kids get wine at communion."

Actually, communion is specifically exempted, at least under Texas law.

(In Texas, a parent/legal guardian/spouse can also provide alcohol to a child and/or under-21 spouse, as long as the parent/legal guardian spouse remains within eyesight.)


27 posted on 02/21/2006 8:07:02 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: apackof2

Did you ever notice that guise and guile are kissing cousins?


28 posted on 02/21/2006 8:07:21 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: AntiGuv
So if my "church" decided to make pot "sacred" and smoke it at every "church gathering" that's OKAY??? Ridiculous.

Does this set a precident for claiming the right to illegal drug use as part of a religious ritual?

29 posted on 02/21/2006 8:07:44 AM PST by I'm ALL Right!
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To: conserv13
Well, it is illegal to give alcohol to minors, but in many churches kids get wine at communion

I don't believe that's true, churches use grape juice

30 posted on 02/21/2006 8:07:59 AM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won't back down)
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To: jonascord

BTW: Turkeys DO fly. I hit a wild turkey one day; took out my windshield.


31 posted on 02/21/2006 8:08:17 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: AntiGuv

This gives a whole new meaning to the church "pot luck" dinners.


32 posted on 02/21/2006 8:08:23 AM PST by I'm ALL Right!
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To: I'm ALL Right!

"So if my "church" decided to make pot "sacred" and smoke it at every "church gathering" that's OKAY??? Ridiculous."

No, it has to be a "legitimate and historical religious practice." This is not new; as above, American Indians have been using Peyote for years under this.


33 posted on 02/21/2006 8:09:28 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: SandyInSeattle

I know that the Orthodox Church requires that Communion follow a very explicit and specific ritual that must use wine, not any alternative. It's been that way for nearly a couple millennia now. Heck, that's why they're called Orthodox after all. ;)


34 posted on 02/21/2006 8:09:36 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: Old Professer
Did you ever notice that guise and guile are kissing cousins?

Good point all related to big brother, deception

35 posted on 02/21/2006 8:09:39 AM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won't back down)
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To: jonascord

Your tagline: That is my favorite episode of WKRP. I wish I could find a copy of that one, and the one where Venus explains the atom to the gang member.


36 posted on 02/21/2006 8:09:47 AM PST by I'm ALL Right!
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To: SandyInSeattle

For fear that a Barney Gumble might go off the wagon with a sip of wine ours has wine or grape juice. Hmmm now that I think of it those percautions may be insufficient since Barney flipped out after drinking non-alcoholic Champaign.


37 posted on 02/21/2006 8:09:59 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Did you Duck?


38 posted on 02/21/2006 8:10:28 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: AntiGuv

Give me that old time religion
Tis the old time religion,
Tis the old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

It was good for our mothers.
It was good for our mothers.
It was good for our mothers.
And it's good enough for me.


Give me that old time religion
Tis the old time religion,
Tis the old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.


Makes me love everybody.
Makes me love everybody.
Makes me love everybody.
And it's good enough for me.


Give me that old time religion
Tis the old time religion,
Tis the old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.


It has saved our fathers.
It has saved our fathers.
It has saved our fathers.
And it's good enough for me.


Give me that old time religion
Tis the old time religion,
Tis the old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.


It will do when I am dying.
It will do when I am dying.
It will do when I am dying.
And it's good enough for me.


Give me that old time religion
Tis the old time religion,
Tis the old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.


It will take us all to heaven.
It will take us all to heaven.
It will take us all to heaven.
And it's good enough for me.


Give me that old time religion
Tis the old time religion,
Tis the old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.


39 posted on 02/21/2006 8:11:27 AM PST by Huck (Roe/Kelo: You have a right to privacy IN your bedroom; you just don't have a right TO your bedroom.)
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To: jonascord
Lutherans get wine, Baptists get grape juice. If you want to get a blast in church, come over to the Dark Side.

LOL! I'll keep that in mind. :-)

40 posted on 02/21/2006 8:11:29 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
to "religious" groups who's stated goal is to convert us or kill us.

Too late Muslims are already here and in Dearborn, MI they sound a very loud public siren calling them to pray that others are forced to listen too

41 posted on 02/21/2006 8:12:22 AM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won't back down)
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To: AntiGuv

With regard to ayahuasca, there's an interesting connection with the Bronfman family of Seagram's fame -

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/udv_toobin1.html


42 posted on 02/21/2006 8:12:55 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Yep, it's definitely still wine. I just asked someone who received Communion a couple weeks ago.


43 posted on 02/21/2006 8:13:30 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: apackof2
Here comes Pastor Wolfie.

Smile

44 posted on 02/21/2006 8:14:06 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: MamaTexan

The people themselves have full power restrict what the government can do, as they have with the Federal Government. My comment was not intended to suggest that the people could not prohibit a legislature from passing such a law as they did the Congress.


45 posted on 02/21/2006 8:14:14 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: AntiGuv

Hey, that's really neat, man! Where do I sign up?

;o)
46 posted on 02/21/2006 8:14:14 AM PST by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: apackof2

I can see them trying that here in the Flathead.

There would be bullet riddled Sirens within 24 hours.


47 posted on 02/21/2006 8:14:41 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Old Professer

Probably.

It didn't make it through the glass --- just smashed it in real bad. I was going north of 70, just took my foot off the gas long enough to push it back in place (sort of) and kept going.

First day of hunting season and they were all stirred up.


48 posted on 02/21/2006 8:16:44 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: AntiGuv

Good. Hopefully this is one more nail in the coffin of the failed war on some drugs.


49 posted on 02/21/2006 8:17:03 AM PST by mysterio
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To: albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; ...
well the good news is that at least Roberts gets it.The constitutiuon means exactly what it says in simple english sentences that bodes well for any 2cd amendment challenges.im pleasantly suprised whats really shocking is all the supremes got it on this one case.This may be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse.:-)

Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here

50 posted on 02/21/2006 8:17:28 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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