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The Elephant in the Living Room: The New Zealand Abortion Study
Breakpoint with Charles Colson ^ | February 24, 2006 | Charles Colson

Posted on 02/24/2006 6:58:15 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

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To: ClaireSolt
This needs more work. Now it looks like a correlation. It may be that young women who engage in risky irresponsible behavior leading to pregnancy and abortion were not wired all that well for whatever reason.

Go to the source document and you'll find a link to the study text. I haven't read it yet, but it would not surprise me if Fergusson controlled for it.

41 posted on 02/24/2006 5:14:58 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Tax-chick

Nicely put.


42 posted on 02/24/2006 5:17:05 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback
A story to make you smile.

My daughter told me this evening that she and my granddaughters were riding in the car when they heard a news story about North Dakota passing legislation against abortion.

My 6 year old granddaughter lets loose with "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Roe v Wade has got to go."

Seh accompanied us to the March for Life this year and she says she got that from the "big kids" there.

Big smile on Grandpa and Grandmas face.

43 posted on 02/24/2006 5:17:57 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: leenie312

Wonderful post, BTW. Glad to have you in The Family.


44 posted on 02/24/2006 5:18:30 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: linda_22003

Thanks for the heads up.


45 posted on 02/24/2006 5:19:08 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback; ClaireSolt
The paper addresses confounding thoroughly.
46 posted on 02/24/2006 5:22:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ClaireSolt; Tax-chick
I am starting to think that the lessons involved in abstinance are somewhat the same lessons needed to succeed otherwise in life. I mean that discipline, self control znd impulse control are desirable traits whereas license and reckless abandon don't workkout that well.

The abstinence speaker Pam Stensel says much the same thing. She not only talks about the general discipline and self-worth aspect, she also makes a very good point about how the pattern of sexual purity/promisuity before marriage can set the pattern of faithfulness during marriage. For example, the guy who slept around with every girl in high school doesn't have the emotional resources and skills to draw on when he's on a business trip and some hottie makes a pass at him.

47 posted on 02/24/2006 5:25:00 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: ClaireSolt
It may be that young women who engage in risky irresponsible behavior leading to pregnancy and abortion were not wired all that well for whatever reason.

Would a unbalanced person be more or less affected emotionally by an abortion than a "normal" person? What's your best guess?

48 posted on 02/24/2006 5:35:14 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: jwalsh07
The Perils of Peer Review.

What's your point? If the guy is sloppy and his stuff doesn't stand up, why didn't he have trouble getting published before he came up with a result inconvenient to the abortion industry in his country? Why did he get published in any peer reviewed journal at all?

Here's the study. Let us know what's wrong with it.

49 posted on 02/24/2006 5:46:23 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: jwalsh07
Big smile on Grandpa and Grandmas face.

Big smile on mine, too. Thanks for sharing.

50 posted on 02/24/2006 5:47:34 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: jwalsh07; teenagebambam

Teen, see post 46. Jwalsh, sorry for the friendly fire earlier, I mistook you for someone else.


51 posted on 02/24/2006 5:49:13 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: Mr. Silverback

You have misinterpreted my comment. The peril of peer review is bucking the dogma. I'm on your side.


52 posted on 02/24/2006 5:51:02 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: teenagebambam
Women who are having uinprotected sex in their youth probably have a screw loose going in, abortion or no.

Women who get screwed too much ARE loose women.

Think of the etymology of the word "loose" as in this joke:

Q. What's the German word for "virgin" ?

A. Gutenteit

Cheers!

53 posted on 02/24/2006 5:57:02 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Raycpa

Have you ever heard that trauma is cumlative? If that is true (and I think it is) every hit adds to the imbalance.


54 posted on 02/24/2006 6:04:11 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt

So, then we don't need to control for preexisting emotional conditions to find that abortion is harmful for emotional health.


55 posted on 02/24/2006 6:07:10 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Well, I looked at the paper and the methodology. I didn't read it all. However they did find a cluster of childhood factors that correlate. They indicate an atmosphere that would not make one expect one to be ready to make good decisions. My thinking is that having an abortion is an extreme outcome that indicates a string of weaknesses or inabilities to make good decisions. Maybe I see it that way partly because I was a teen before the pill when dating was a contest between girls who drew the line and boys who used every trick to push the envelope. Back then the consequences were so awesome that very few failed. Unfortunately, the consequences are still dire, but many don't have the tools they need because the attitude that kids will have sex, anyway is negligent imho.


56 posted on 02/24/2006 6:35:02 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: jwalsh07

Yeah, I know. Sorry for the friendly fire.


57 posted on 02/24/2006 6:53:29 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (GOP Blend Coffee--"Coffee for Conservative Taste!" Go to www.gopetc.com)
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To: ClaireSolt

Aren't you making an argument that more emotional harm would come to such girls if they had an abortion? I don't see why controling for prior behavior is necessary.


58 posted on 02/24/2006 6:59:20 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


59 posted on 02/24/2006 9:46:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ClaireSolt

"... whereas license and reckless abandon don't work out ...." Ah, but license and wreckless abandon DO make for government dependent sheeple and that's the ultimate goal of the democrap party and the societal engineers!


60 posted on 02/25/2006 8:00:11 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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