Sunnis and Sadr's Shiites make peace

News.com.au Sunday Times ^ | February 26, 2006

[TShaunK]

However we are in full agreement about "stupid as$ politics" not being helpful. But those politics are coming from within the Mil and Pentagon HQ's (not the WH, and not from this CIC).

I agree but you would think GW would tell them to plow through that crap.

[McGavin999]

The most interesting tidbit of information that I picked up today is that Al Sistani asked the TRIBES to guard the shrines and mosques. This over rides the purpose of the militias (Badar Brigade and Al Mahdi thugs). That has been their reason for existance yet today Al Sistanti handed that duty to the tribes. Interesting, no?

[SevenMinusOne]

I agree but you would think GW would tell them to plow through that crap.

He does - As does our great SecDef Rumsfeld - But only so much of the political /PC bureaucracy can be ignored or bypassed even within the Military (JAGs are a terrible burden to our OODA loop).

[Marine_Uncle]

Thank your son-in-law for his service for me. Sounds like he has been around for a while. I do prayerfully hope he shall fully recover from his injury both in body and in spirit. It is obviouse the corps is his career. May it be long, healthy, and spiritually satisfying for him through the remaining reups. They continue to amaze me at just how great they are. And when one thinks of so many of the weekend warriors converted to full time warriors for one year, two year plus deploys, and all just doing their duty, often not complaining, extending their hand to many in need, while they must watch their backs at the same time. Truely our great military traditions stay in tack regardless of those that would like to see them disolve. Now the Iraqi are getting a taste for what an American soldier or Marine is made out of. And it clearly is being shown they want to be the same way. Perhaps one of the best thank you, we can receive is when former Saddam army personel call our soldiers and Marines their brothers.

[Marine_Uncle]

" Interesting, no?"
Interesting. YES. Very interesting. For me on at least two levels. One. The request coming directly from Sistani. Secondly. Finally Sistani speaks out with authority. I am sure some of us have been wondering a bit why he has not put the muzzle to fatso much earlier on. I often write responses to such as you, with the understanding you may be well ahead of me, and do it in case someone seeking more info may tune into a given thread.
This very thing is what I have harped on quite a bit lately. Where is Sistani. Now he is stepping into the process. I continue to believe he and his like minded ayalollahs have supreme authority over all practicing Shia in Iraq. Sadr being a minor clergy one would think dare not rise up against Sistani. So perhaps Sadr will now be relegated to just attending his local Sadr city flock of militia and not be able to use them for any physical disturbances.
And that could explain why Sadr declared his milita should stop wearing their black garb at this point.
I continue seein things in all quarters, military, social, political wise in Iraq that point to much more success being actually achieveed then many are putting together.
With the new commitments at both the national political level (government), and the Sunni/Shia religious level being obtained to stop all violence in Iraq.
Who is left other then some die hard groups under strict Salafist, Wahaabist, Qutbist obiediences, remaining hard line Baathist who are outlaws, and of course zman.
Things are rapidly falling into place if the Iraqi majority now will not fight amoung themselves to get rid of all those criminals the shithead let out of prison days before the invasion, and the remaining groups just outlined.
Iranian and Syrian operatives may now have a super difficult time attempting to carry out any insurgent actions. For as the people in this new stage become better aware that they have been aiding people that are killing their own kids, they are going to kill those goons themselves when caught or turn them in.
Our troops continue to stay as low as possible and only play backup as the Iraqi regular army, commando units and police forces and border police units do their thing under an increasing esprit de corps mental set.
So forgive me for the verbosity, I just felt compelled once again to point out some things that could be considered of a positive nature.
In closing. Cannot help but wonder how many disenchanted zman boys are hiding in little huts in the western desert wondering how the hell to get back to their homes in Syria, Jordan, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, Oman, etc.. And for those in say major cities, they may get stuck in holes for a long time with no way to escape. Can't hide between a herd of goats being herded on some dirt road if there taint any goat herders nearby. And if the border patrols are on their toes. Non Iraqi youth trying to ride out in a car are going to be stopped.

[Merlinator]

It's a bad couple of weeks for he MSM. Whittington didn't die as they planned and the Shiites and Sunnis may be making peace with each other. David Gregory and his ilk are probably drowning their sorrows with Teddy in some upscale beltway bar. I predict in the very near future most people will realize that the Dubai deal was another DNC induced mass hysteria that becomes "non-breaking news" What is their world coming to?

[Da Mav]

I think the disinformation plan is as follows:

On odd days, the disaster is that the Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other and a civil war is imminent. All is lost.

On even days, the disaster is that they are forming a Glorious United Front that will drive the Coalition from Iraq. All is lost.

[Marine_Uncle]

I doubt I could have used better phrasing. Teddy for all we know may have transfered his fortunes to purchase say Seagrams to make sure he has sufficient juice to stay totally out of the reality of life. As for the David. Such a young Troskite. Though I doubt at this point there can be any redeeming events in his live to save him, who knows, the good Lord works in often mysterious ways. Imagine the crap we shall have to put up with once Katie becomes the CBS anchor. Though I only whip through the alphebets due to not having cable,Fox, I wonder how I can keep the food down. Bad habit watching KGB controlled news during meal time.
At any rate, thankfully things are changing in Iraq. I made a comment two days ago, that I thought this attack on the golden dump might be a blessing in disguise. It seems this time around I may have hit the nail. So I will brag for a while while I lick my wounds from some folks having to keep me in line with recent bloopers on my part.

[McGavin999]

I saw a short interview of Sadar in a quick clip today. He had a look about him of a man who had just been slapped, or a child who was told "wait until your father gets home".

The Hawzah saved his bacon with the understanding that he would behave. I think he's stepped over the line and has been warned. I also think the Interior Ministry has been shown for what it is these last few days.

I do think Sadar and his like were behind the bombing of the shrine and I think this is known to those who matter.

[Marine_Uncle]

Perhaps it will turn out to be in his lap. I have exhausted my reasons on a few threads why I think it was zman with help from Saddams ex-army, and or a small group of pros from Iran. Main things is the ball is now rolling. With all the government and religious pronouncements that all forms of violence must end, it sure is going to be tough on the zman and saddamist crowd and the few pure radical isolated groups participating in various parts of the insurgency.
I just read on another thread, where the government is now viewing how they can put into effect a law that will make any form of violence by anyone punishable by imprisonment.
Strangely. I thought that law was already in effect, based on what their constitution says regarding crimes of the state and civil unrest. At any rate. I can imagine somewhat how Sadr must have looked. A pup just slaped on his behind.

[WVNan]

Option #5 for Sadr: He can blow up the golden Mosque, cause mahem, play the peace-maker and position self to be head Iman when Sistani somehow gets himself killed. As head Iman, when the Americans leave, he becomes the grand poobah and ruling head of the new Iraq.

[bnelson44]

You all are providing some interesting reading. The Iran thread also has some interesting reading tonight:

Iran Attacks Samarra Mosque
http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/02/iran-attacks-samarra-mosque.html

Also see:
http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/02/iran-and-blast-in-iraq.html

http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/02/many-sunnis-see-iran-behind-iraq.html

http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/02/islamic-regimes-nefarious-intentions.html

http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/02/has-war-with-iran-begun-already.html

http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/02/shrine-attack-deals-blow-to-anti-us.html

[Marine_Uncle]

Thanks for the ping. Shall check out reference URLs.

[Proud Legions]

We would have taken OBL out if we could have. Not easy to find and kill a guy in Tora Bora...even if we knew for certain he was there.

[bnelson44]

I have a question about the preposition in the links. Which is that Iran is behind the bombing of the mosque to begin a wider war. If Iran is behind the bombing and wants to begin a war right now. Why is Sadr suing for peace? Shouldn't he be trying to instigate a larger uprising?

[Marine_Uncle]

hmmm. I read the first four. Without the intimate facts I have felt the Iranians may be behind it. And had referenced the VEVAR as perhaps being the culprits in employing some group experienced enough to pull it off in the fashion it was done. Clearly just the dome being taking out indicates someone did not dare disturb the tombs.
It is so easy to envision Sadr on that plan loaded with equipment, probably secretly getting juiced up. And if it turns out it was the zman's doings we may never find out at this point. It appears his days of bragging about their criminal exploits are over.
Interesting read on that Iranian sacred mosque being blown up in such fashion and the perpetrator being found. In essence he was from what is now called the VEVAR.

[Marine_Uncle]

Good question. Perhaps Sistani told him he will expose him for what he is if the pup does not detach at this point from the Iranian Mullahs and stay in line.
We have to be carefull here. Sistani, based on stuff I had read a year back plus, wants little to do with the Iranian Mullahs. He and his entourage left Iran many years ago to get away from those fruit cakes. He actually appears to be a holy man. A man of principle and western learning etc.. And his top clerical staff are along the same lines as he.
Now Sadr being the pup he is is obviously also not looked upon as a holy man. Sistani knows this guy. He watched him from a little kid on up turn into a super shit head. An operator first class.
My humble guess is that Sistani and various elements in the government including his own supporters may have told him to shut up and do no more damage. So now he is playing peace advocate.
Trouble we have is we only think we understand these guys based on reading their profiles etc., by so called experts.

[WVNan]

Iran is probably not involved other than support with weapons for the insurgents/Zman's Al Quaida. They have their hands full right now trying to wiggle out of having their own war.

[Tunehead54]

Sadr should be dead.

Another failure.

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Agreed. Only wish we'd insisted they put an exact replica of of our Bill Of Rights in their constitution. Same for Afghanistan. Religion does not belong in government. Talk about missed opportunities ... Oh well. ;-(