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1 posted on 02/25/2006 3:22:44 PM PST by Cornpone
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...could not help but admire his noble conduct

He supported himself by raiding caravans. How noble.

2 posted on 02/25/2006 3:23:43 PM PST by aimhigh
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peace piss be upon him...

There. Fixed it.

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3 posted on 02/25/2006 3:25:30 PM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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Dear readers, is there any man greater than this noblest of all human beings?

Sure there is, at least a few billion.

5 posted on 02/25/2006 3:27:49 PM PST by King Moonracer
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what in the heck were the goons reading, he was a pervert pedaphile outlaw murderer..............


6 posted on 02/25/2006 3:27:57 PM PST by right right
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extraordinary character.

He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

Source

So as Mark Levin would say, "Get off the mic, ya big dope!"

7 posted on 02/25/2006 3:32:30 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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His house, his dress, his food — they were characterized by a rare simplicity. So unpretentious was he that he would receive from his companions no special mark of reverence, nor would he accept any service from his slave which he could do for himself. He was accessible to all and at all times. He visited the sick and was full of sympathy for all. Unlimited was his benevolence and generosity as also was his anxious care for the welfare of the community."

For a moment, I thought this was an article on Dennis Kucinich or Mother Teresa.

8 posted on 02/25/2006 3:34:18 PM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam.")
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While you have to be impressed with his results, that doesn't mean that you have to respect what came from these results.

Honestly, how does one camel jockey overthrow larges treks of the Byzantine Empire and form a mass of followers that has conquered a good 20% of the globe or so? Yeah, it's impressive. And piss be upon him.


9 posted on 02/25/2006 3:34:40 PM PST by CheyennePress
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They are a cult.


12 posted on 02/25/2006 3:40:37 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The Western media will undoubtedly come to understand and appreciate the ‘Mercy to all Mankind’ just like its scholars and intellectuals have, the craven ones that survived.


14 posted on 02/25/2006 3:42:51 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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If western intellectuals said what they really thought about Mohammed, Muslims would use it as an excuse to execute the western intellectuals.

And I suspect that's what this article is all about.


15 posted on 02/25/2006 3:44:11 PM PST by DannyTN
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...it would be interesting to know the opinions of western intellectuals about the Messenger of Allah.

It's interesting that the writer wants to know the opinions of "western intellectuals" rather than the opinions of "western peoples". These are two very different things.

Western intellectuals have all but done away with Christianity as a political/social force in Europe, and Europeans have followed their intellectuals.

The American people are more religious than Europeans, but our intellectuals are trying to follow Europe's sectarian lead. That's one difference between blue and red states.

Question an intellectual about Christ and Muhammad and you'll two different answers. Ask him if he'd rather live under Islamic rule rather than in the West and you'll only get one answer.

16 posted on 02/25/2006 3:44:16 PM PST by Noachian (To control the courts the people must first control their Congress.)
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George Bernard Shaw, the eminent British playwright said: "The world is in dire need of a man with the mind of Muhammad; (peace be upon him) religious people in the Middle Ages, due to their ignorance and prejudice, had pictured him in a very dark way as they used to consider him the enemy of Christianity. But after looking into the story of this man I found it to be an amazing and a miraculous one, and I came to the conclusion that he was never an enemy of Christianity, and must be called instead the saviour of humanity. In my opinion, if he was to be given control over the world today, he would solve our problems and secure the peace and happiness which the world is longing for."

Why do cultural leaders hold Shaw in any kind of esteem? Maybe because he was one of the founders of Fabian Socialism and a die-hard atheist.

Anyway, his views on some other influential, and contemporary, figures:

Despite the fact that he was a democratic socialist, in the 1930s Shaw approved of the dictatorship of Stalin and also made some ambiguous statements that could be interpreted as being pro-Hitler. In 1945 in his preface to his play Geneva Shaw claimed that the majority of the victims of the Nazi extermination camps had in fact died of "overcrowding". However, he also stated that Hitler had become a "mad messiah" over time: Shaw contrasted this with the situation in the Soviet Union where, according to Shaw, "Stalin... made good by doing things better and much more promptly than parliaments".

17 posted on 02/25/2006 3:48:34 PM PST by Tribune7
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There were several men infinitely greater in Western Civilization that provided progress, knowledge and a greater understanding of humanity and God as compared to mohammed. One stands above all the rest in the West, Jesus Christ, God incarnate, the very bedrock and capstone of our civilization; mohammed wasn't fit to untie his sandals much less stand shoulder to shoulder.

If these are all the western critics this author could find who'd praised mohammed, it's an incredibly shallow collection. None of which I could tell had any theological instruction or training as to rate this camel herder's concept of God and his messages thereto. As the Church branded him and his religion a heresy, so it stands. It is the enemy of Western Civilization, as was Nazism and Communism, materialism and humanism, too. It doesn't hold a candle to what we once stood for, and will need to raise up and defend again. I'm easily willing to do so, is enough of our fellow Americans (and maybe whatever Europeans having any spine or pride or both?) willing to? I'm not only concerned about my civilization, my society, my country and my faith, but my children and at some point grandchildren as well....or hasn't enough people seen the big picture regarding this protracted conflict?


20 posted on 02/25/2006 3:52:57 PM PST by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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The West needs to thoroughly study the exemplary life of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, to understand him as he was...

...BUT STUDY IT FROM MUHAMMAD'S OWN WORDS:

MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:

KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF THEO van GOGH and the CARTOON RIOTS:

Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger
. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

APOSTATES TO BE KILLED BY UNSPECIFIED BELIEVERS:
This type of instruction throughout the Koran is the source of autonomous "radicalism".

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):

KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:

KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (Mat 7:1-2)


ISLAM DELENDA EST!

26 posted on 02/25/2006 4:06:24 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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D.S Margoliouth writes in the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, 1915:

"The character attributed to Muhammad in the biography of Ibn Ishaq is exceedingly unfavorable. In order to gain his ends he recoils from no expedient, and he approves of similar unscrupulousness on the part of his adherents, when exercised in his interest. He profits to the utmost from the chivalry of the Meccans, but rarely requites it with the like. He organizes assassinations and wholesale massacres. His career as tyrant of Medina is that of a robber thief, whose political economy consists in securing and dividing plunder. . .He is himself an unbridled libertine and encourages the same passions in his followers. For whatever he does he is prepared to plead the express authorization of the deity. It is, however, impossible to find any doctrine which he is not prepared to abandon in order to secure a political end. At different points in his career he abandons the unity of God and his claim to the title of Prophet.  This is a disagreeable picture for the founder of a religion, and it cannot be pleaded that it is a picture drawn by an enemy. . ."

Ibn Ishaq died in 768 C.E., one hundred and thirty years after the death of Muhammad. His work is the earliest known attempt at a biography of  the Prophet -- and it was distinctly unfavorable. He didn't rate a fatwa, a riot or a beheading, likely because he wrote close to Muhammad's death, when the gloss of the centuries of fabrications hadn't yet elevated the robber-thief-murderer to a god-like status.


27 posted on 02/25/2006 4:06:45 PM PST by browardchad
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the famous, The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, said arguing why he chose the Prophet as the leader of the leaders:

Why do I have a bad feeling that these "most influential" persons in history also included Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin and Mao Tse Tung?

*PBUT, too (and it ain't "peace"...

29 posted on 02/25/2006 4:08:23 PM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."

...and if the Allies had lost WWII, Michael Hart would be using the same phrase to kiss Hitler's rosy red, too.

Shaw needs no introduction, nor comment.

Indian freedom icon and intellectual Annie Beasant

western intellectuals!?

His character was pure and stainless. His house, his dress, his food — they were characterized by a rare simplicity. So unpretentious was he that he would receive from his companions no special mark of reverence, nor would he accept any service from his slave which he could do for himself.

Is Dr. Weil talking about the same Muhammad(Pork be upon him) that we all know & revile?

This man REmoved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples, dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and the souls.

Fixed you typo for you, Alphonse de La Martaine.

This author is a light weight. He forgot to mention BJ, Jimmah, GWB, Ibrahim Hooper....

30 posted on 02/25/2006 4:08:30 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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A lot of people said the same crap about the cult of Lenin too, even many westererns.


32 posted on 02/25/2006 4:09:51 PM PST by Lauretij2
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You forgot the Barf Alert.... And I just bought these shoes.


34 posted on 02/25/2006 4:12:36 PM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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If Mohammed's armies had conquered Europe, the modern world would never have come into existence.


35 posted on 02/25/2006 4:13:24 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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