[SmithL]

[GSlob]

Could we have a minefield between the double walls, please?

[Darkwolf377]

I hope Bush comes to his senses and pulls what could be his most effective move for getting his poll numbers up:

Come out swinging at those senators who criticized the Dubai deal. Have a presser and say "To Senator Clinton, who expressed so much concern for foreign impact on our security, I say, will you support this wall?" And so on.

I know he won't. But he should.

[Travis McGee]

Time for "Border Reality 101."

This is what most of our southern border looks like: there is no government-built fence at all. There is often just whatever is left over from some forgotten cattle fence, built privately to keep U.S. cattle from wandering freely into Mexico. For hundreds of miles there is not even a broken cattle fence, there is nothing at all.

For comparison, below the broken cattle fence photo is a sample of an inexpensive but highly effective double border fence system, with a plowed strip to reveal footprints. This type of system is very cheap and can be built with great speed.

Here is what some of San Diego County has: a wall made of rusty Viet Nam-era runway mats. The corrugations are even horizontal, (to make climbing easier?) The illegals in this photo were spotted by unexpected civilian volunteers, and jumped back over the border.

Here is what the border looks like where the runway mat wall exists. Mexico begins on the other side of the ineffective rusty wall, which actually helps the smugglers, by hiding their movements until the occasional USBP vehicle has driven out of sight.

This is how "the game" is played. Smugglers hide on the other side of the wall with their dope and/or their illegals, out of sight of the USBP. They wait for the highly visible white BP vehicle to drive over the distant hills. Lookouts with cell phones and walkie-talkies report on the current locations of the BP units. They know with certainty that "the coast is clear" for an hour or two, and the smugglers and illegals hop the fence and run into the scrub only 50 yards away. From there, they are out of sight, and they walk 1-2 miles to holding houses. Then they wait for nightfall, and are picked up and driven in vans to LA or San Diego.

Lastly, below is the Duncan Hunter 15' fence, which is already being built along a few "showplace" miles of San Diego, mainly near the ports of entry, where panderng politicians can conveniently show it off to gullible reporters. The House has approved building 700 miles of it, which would be a great start. As you can see, the rusty runway wall is seen at the left side, Mexico begins on the other side. In areas with the 15 foot fence, dope smugglers and illegals will have to cross the open sand ("the government road" as it is called) before starting to try to get over the 15 foot fence. It's extremely tough, and resists cutting. Attacking the fence would have to be done right out in the open, in full view of cameras. This type of fence, on the U.S. side of the government road, will give the USBP a barrier to patrol, instead of forcing them to chase illegals around 100,000 square miles of wide-open frontier land, which is a fool's errand.

[goldstategop]

We should build an Israeli-style wall along the entire length of our southern border. Its a heck of a lot cheaper than the welfare, education and health care costs illegal aliens are imposing on our country. Heck, we should have done this ten years ago!

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[hosepipe]

Its a good start.. but the illegal drug lobbyists won't like it..

Making hiring illegal aliens a crime, you know, a real crime..

[LeoWindhorse]

Walls , fences and border controls like this are going to become more and more the rule throughout the world as time goes by. There will come a time when we cannot imagine not having such border protections. The world has become too wild and dangerous of a place to leave wide open borders , especially when we now have the technology to do them right.
Let just do and get it over with , and ps: NO GAPS !

[Cobra64]

Question: Why two walls? I'd put together the plan at 20' tall with wall with razor wire and gun turrets at 1000 yard increments.

BTW, Mexico is a major exporter of cement and concrete, we could import the concrete from Vicente Fox (read Mexico) to build this wall at a reduced rate.

It is a flippin shame that people in the USA are totally clueless running a practical logistical project.

[Rick_Michael]

In the mean time:

"Title 32, Section 9, U.S. Code now allows our governors to call out their National Guard for homeland security missions such as this at 100 percent Federal expense."

Pressure your border governor, even if your not in a border state. ; )

[backhoe]

A few "walls"--

[Modok]

This is great, but it would probably be the first of second bill Bush would veto during his Presidency.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Boondoggle? Since when did liberals and RINOs become concerned about government spending?

How much money do illegals cost in social services? Build the wall - enough said.

[BearArms]

This wall will more than pay for itself in any number of ways. It is a perfect example of a good investment. Which is why I'm having a truly hard time believing that it could get approved by this Congress, which usually prefers to throw money into ratholes. And if Bush signs it, I may slip into a catatonic state from the shock.