Frist Proposes Face-saving Dubai Deal

Time Magazine online ^ | Feb. 25, 2006 | Timothy Burger, Mike Allen & Matthew Cooper

[Candor7]

"There is no good reason for this deal getting approval today. In my book, it should have been DOA!",

You are wrong on this and history will prove you wrong.

After our first phase of the war on Islamofascism, it is now necessary to change Islamic culture by adding a dimension of consumerism to Islamic society. They must enter the 21st Century through participating in the consumption of goods produced in America. We did the same thing with Germany and Italy after WWII. This initiative will change the Middle East as it allows the cheap transport of American produced goods and material into the Area.

Dubai is the modern equivalent of Hong Kong, a no holds barred transhipment point.

I trust the president and his record, not just on the Dubai/P&O deal. The Dems are trying to prevent Dubyah's successfully taking the war on terrorism further by creating a relatively free consumer society in Iraq and Afghanistan, just as Kuwait and Dubai are now. This strategy worked also for South Korea.

Look at the difference now. At night you can see sat photos of a black N. Korea while S. Korea blazes with light. That will be the difference also between Iran and our other Arabian Allies in the future.

You may fold in on yourself, and you may not want to abandon a shite kicking attitude to Islamofascists, but remember this neither do I. The difference between us is that I have the courage to step forward to the next phase needed , as led by our president, and you still want to hunker down behind fortress America. Prior to WWII, that Isolationism bought us the Second World War, and the Holocaust.

Take my point well, I do not mean to deman you or other republicans on their views against the deal. There is a lot a stake , so be very careful how you proceed. God Bless America, and may we have the courage to take our battle against Islamofascism to the next stage, when the grocery and hardware stores work along with our guns.

[Marine Inspector]

Its a huge bureaucratic blunder and whether its been going on for 15 months or 15 years

Apparently not. All this time and not one security breach that threatened America! We must be doing something right.

[jveritas]

I find something wrong with handing over commmercial operations control of US ports of entry to a Muslim nationstate that sponsored the 9-11 attacks, supported the Taliban/Al Qaeda, ran cover for Osama Bin Laden and gave refuge to terrorists for decades.

Lies, lies, and lies.

Lie # 1: The UAE did not SPONSOR the 9/11 attacks.

Lie # 2: The UAE never supported Al Qaeda, ran cover for Bin Laden, or gave refuge for terrorists.

LIe # 3: The UAE recognized the Taliban government because of the huge number of Afghani imported labor to the UAE. Recognizing does not mean supporting. We recognize the existence of many governments that we do not support.

[Siena Dreaming]

That is one excellent post.

[jamese777]

"Do you know this UAE company works with an Israeli company named Zim? Maybe geopolitics are a little to complicated for you to understand."

You're probably right that geopolitics are a little to(sic) complicated for me to understand but I think I know a true ally from a globalist monarchy.
Since you're an expert on geopolitics, if Jordan and Egypt can recognize Israel, why can't the UAE and why can't recognition be a condition of a state owned UAE corporation operating ports in the US?

[ER Doc]

So on FR, a site exclusively composed of strong Bush supporters, and with discussions dominated by people pushing the White House talking points, there's still 36% opposition? How would you expect that to translate to the broader public? That same poll with 64% opposition shows 16% support. The Republicans opposing the deal are listening to their constituents.

[Candor7]

Ha Ha Ha...you're a comic right???>>>

I am a funny guy and you are one hell of a fart smeller, er smart feller.

US corporations make a lot of stuff outside of the USA in the Pacific, China makes a lot of stuff and ships it here in container ships, and US companies still make a lot of consumer goods and FOOD FOOD FOOD. ALL OF IT WILL GO INTO DUBAI... THE MODERN HONG KONG OF THE MIDDLE EAST.

Whats wrong with sending pork bellies to starving Taliban and Al Qaidans in the Montains of Pakistan? Have you perchance visited your local supermarket lately, or are you raising yourself on my gas?

Regardles of my comedy, you are one hell of a fart smeller , and you have a rather large nose which seems to block your foresight. Good luck with it, D'Artagnan.

Or will it be smart feller? You choose, not I.

[claudiustg]

---How would you expect that to translate to the broader public?---

We lead, they follow.

[reformedliberal]

Obviously, you don't agree. However, I have stated facts, here and on other threads on this issue and backed them with other information available to anyone on the net. As you are well aware, people with CG and other maritime security experience have posted as well and they have facts, also, as well as on the ground experience. So, the term *Diatribe* may just be a bit hyperbolic.

That said, I am exercised over this entire fiasco and I mean the reaction, not the DPW/P&O deal.

Show me one article, one concern ever voiced by anyone, including Tancredo or Pat Buchanan or Hillary Clinton or Peter King or Lindsay Graham over Saudi Arabia's terminal operations in 2001. This wasn't even mentioned in the 9/11 hearings. Not even the people castigating BJ for his security lapses mentioned Saudi terminal operations, nor those who maintain Carter sold the Panama Canal to the Chinese (he didn't).

If UAE has been good enough for the US Navy since your stated date of 2/02, then I would venture this P&O sale to DPW would not have risen above the boring business pages that few ever read, nor would any hysterical extrapolations have been made. The usual suspects were too busy trying to prove that there was an election stolen in 2000 in FL and were gearing up to take the Congress away from the GOP in Nov 2002. Of course, IIRC, 2002 was the year that Daschle's Teamster buddies struck some West Coast ports over fears they would be rendered obsolete, so just maybe, the donks would have pitched a fit if this deal had taken place then.

I don't know what triggered this bruhaha at this time, but my best guess is that the GOP is going to keep Congress in the midterms and the donks needed an issue. The Pubs are spineless and are afraid to run on the Bush record, so they are scrambling to the right of GWB as fast as they can. And, as I said in an earlier post on this thread, it is strange that the Maersk connection in this deal is being ignored by the MSM and the donks at the same time that Denmark is head of the UN General Assembly and the irreconcilable wing of Islam is hell-bent to discredit Denmark in any way they can. I don't discount Teamster concerns and the Teamster/DNC nexus, either.

I am much more impressed with those Republicans, conservatives and FReepers who were able to take a deep breath, assimilate the facts on the ground and change their reaction accordingly than I am with those who are digging in their heels, repeating falsehoods and demonizing anyone who can see past the end of their own nose as a traitor or a bushbot.

I am as passionate on this as you and the other paleos are. If that be diatribe, so be it. At least I have used fact to form my opinion. I also waited until I had those facts and had read the information offered by people who had real experience with these issues to post on these threads.

[Echo Talon]

It's politics.

[Candor7]

Thank you, you are kind and this debate is worth the effort , yes?

[Reagan Man]

>>>>After our first phase of the war on Islamofascism, it is now necessary to change Islamic culture by adding a dimension of consumerism to Islamic society.

I support the President's overall actions in the WOT following 9-11. Both in Afghanistan and Iraq. But I differ with the aftermath policy of those invasions. I don't support staying in Afghanistan or Iraq in an attempt to bring democracy to the ME. That is an effort in futility. We're in Afghanistan and Iraq to KILL terrorists and "jihadists". The US military needs to keep bases of operations in both Afgahnistan and Iraq. We need to keep open an avenue open for a first strike capability against terrorism at a moments notice.

I don't have faith in the Islamic world coming around and joining western civilization and our way of life. Most of the people in the ME don't care about the human race or mankind. At least half of all people in the ME hate the USA and what we stand for in the world today. The other half aren't that thrilled with us either. I think the US govt can have a good relationship with other govts in the ME. But Islamic jihad is a way of life for most people in the region. The Islamic religion comes first and foremost in then lives of the worlds 1.2 million Muslims. PERIOD! The Bush administration isn't going to change that in three years, or 300 years! The religion of peace is not much different today, then it was at the the time of Mohammad. Comparing the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to Germany, Italy and Japan after WWII is ridiculous.

[Candor7]

Comparing the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to Germany, Italy and Japan after WWII is ridiculous.>>>>


Fartsmeller it is.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>>Lies, lies, and lies.

Denial, denial, denial. Not just a river in Egypt. Alive and well in the minds of some people. You must own stock in DPWorld. LOL

[Reagan Man]

That's right, don't debate the issues, just offer a cheap juvenile response. Ad hominems don't work, kiddo.

[jveritas]

Yep you got me, you are so smart, I own stocks in DPW!

[Echo Talon]

BTW if you don't believe me about Zim read this Dubai Ports World uses [Israeli Shipping Co.] Zim connection in US deal

[CWOJackson]

This has moved beyond silly. The rampant hatred thinly veiled as concern for national security is sickening.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>That said, I am exercised over this entire fiasco and I mean the reaction, not the DPW/P&O deal.

Obviously. I can feel that in your posts.

You have taken sides with the DPWorld/UAE contingent. So be it. Americans hold different opinions on this issue. We all have a right to free speech and if I want to excercise my right to disgaree with this sweetheart deal, so be it. Sometimes even Republicans and Democrats agree on certain issues. This maybe considered one of those times. As with most leveled headed folks, conservatives like myself reach conclusions based on the evidence and the facts. Not on what we hear from others. I don't wait for talking points to be printed or posted, nor do I don't wait around to be told what to think and what to say. And I don't take the rants of FReepers at face value, as you do.

[Echo Talon]

This has moved beyond silly. The rampant hatred thinly veiled as concern for national security is sickening.

I agree, FR has turned into DU