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Wall seen as ominous U.S. symbol (Miami Herald)
Miami Herald ^ | 02/26/2006 | HECTOR TOBAR

Posted on 02/27/2006 8:57:03 AM PST by devane617

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To: exit82

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101 posted on 02/27/2006 11:58:54 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Boston Blackie

Didn't I read a recent article about an illegal going back into Mexico who got across the border quite legally and was immediately shot by the Mexicans themselves?


102 posted on 02/27/2006 12:01:58 PM PST by Spirited
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To: jackbenimble

Good fences make good neighbors...
susie


103 posted on 02/27/2006 12:29:36 PM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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To: devane617
el muro is seen as an ominous new symbol of America's unchecked power.

If they don't like it, let them get the F out.

104 posted on 02/27/2006 12:32:57 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (The only good muslim is a bad muslim)
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To: EricT.

I'm pretty unconcerned about the cost of the wall. 2-3 billion is a bargain at any price. However, I want auditors attached to the checks, but like in Katrina, I'm sure they won't be. Whatever, as long as we get the wall.


105 posted on 02/27/2006 12:42:11 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (The only good muslim is a bad muslim)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I was referring to your post #8, where you coded your answer with certain letters.

Unless those letters stand for something other than how I interpreted them.......


106 posted on 02/27/2006 1:18:00 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: T Minus Four
Then we can tax them

Have you ever heard of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC)? It is welfare disguised as a tax refund. Making the EITC larger is what the Democrats are talking about when they talk about a tax cut for the poor. Low wage earners get back MORE money in their refund check then was ever withheld from their paychecks. 9 out of 10 Mexicans would qualify. We would not be taxing them; they would be taxing us.

And don't count on being able to reverse that situation either. Don't forget that there would be 100 million new Democrat voters and that Mexicans would control at least a quarter of Congress, probably a good chunk of the Senate and would be the decisive vote on which Democrat in the Presidential primaries got to be President. The Republicans could juet forget about ever winning a national election again.

And then their would be the bilingual requirements ala Canada ...

We don't want any part of that corrupt third world hellhole.

107 posted on 02/27/2006 1:24:24 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: devane617

treats our people as if they were a plague,'' Stein said

If the people coming here illegally think we're some kind of cashcow and expect to suck our welfare system dry and on top of that, send the money they make back to their country of origin, it sounds like a plague to me. CACAROACH INFESTATION !


108 posted on 02/27/2006 1:37:59 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: devane617
And furtherly, I'm sick and tired of the 'poor migrants are going to die in the desert' scenario. If they don't come here in that manner, they won't die. Socialist bag of crap!
109 posted on 02/27/2006 1:42:22 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: devane617
loom like a new Berlin Wall in the Latin American imagination

That's all it is...imagination...fureld by the left, the liberals, the socialists, the communists and every other enemy of America.

The ignorant may get riled up...and the enemies may get riled up, but the fact is there is all the difference in the world between our border security and the Berlin Wall or the Iron Curtain. In those instance communists tyrants built their walls to keep their own people IN. We would be establishing our security so to keep illegal aliens OUT of our free, law-abiding country, while allowing all legal immigrants to come to our free shores through the normal, legal channels.

All the difference in the world.

110 posted on 02/27/2006 3:18:02 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: devane617
Others point out that the walls already in place for more than a decade in Tijuana; El Paso, Texas; and other border communities have driven illegal crossers into the Sonora Desert, where hundreds have died of exhaustion

Proof positive that walls work and work fine. Too bad about the dummies who croaked themselves in the desert but even walls can't stop stupidity.

111 posted on 02/27/2006 4:08:11 PM PST by hinckley buzzard (at)
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To: devane617

The wall should persuade other countries in the hemisphere that they need to put their houses in order, so to speak, and stop exporting unhappy citizens. As long as the US is a safety valve or dumping ground, they have no incentive to change. The administration should be smart enough to figure this out. It's not rocket science.


112 posted on 02/27/2006 4:13:17 PM PST by hershey
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To: Mogollon
1). Fine all employers that hire illegals $15000/illegal

And have half the fine going PERSONALLY to the officer(s) making the bust.

Within 3 months, there will be no employed illegal anywhere in the US.

113 posted on 02/27/2006 4:33:17 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: jackbenimble

Well, I was being a little facitious of course, but I should be careful what I joke about. The Dims might overhear and get ideas.


114 posted on 02/27/2006 6:52:26 PM PST by T Minus Four (I'm sorry you have to die.)
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To: jackbenimble
Low wage earners get back MORE money in their refund check then was ever withheld from their paychecks.

I am aware of this credit, it is especially helpful to people who earn less than a years worth of wages. I know one young lady who makes it a point not to earn over the limit, she gets a $2000+ refund (way more than the paltry amount she pays). She calls it her "furniture" money.

If everyone were honest, hard working individuals, this would be justified and I would happily pay. There are many single mothers at work who qualify but for those that work the system, this is a wonderful plus they can use.

I suppose I am OK with the EITC used for wage earners with children but very against the EITC for wage earners without children we also now have, also I would of course require they are American citizens and would have worked the entire year without any breaks in work time.

115 posted on 02/27/2006 7:07:17 PM PST by ozarkgirl (http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php)
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To: devane617

Google the name Hector Tobar. He is a proponent of radical Latino causes.


116 posted on 02/27/2006 7:11:58 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: N3WBI3

''The U.S. government has fostered an atmosphere of collective paranoia, given a green light to its spies . . . and institutionalized torture,'' Salvadoran novelist Horacio Castellanos Moya said. ``The only thing missing was a wall.''

Then why do so many Latin Americans want to come to the U.S., if we are so terrible, hmmmmmm? If we are into torture, wouldn't they want a wall to separate us (the barbarians) from them (the great humanitarians). I would think they'd be delighted with a wall, rather than scrambling to get into our country before we actually do build it and slam the illegal alien door shut. So much to ponder.


117 posted on 02/27/2006 7:43:53 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: raybbr; robertpaulsen; HiJinx; Jeremiah2911; All

Thirty-one million dollars per mile for the border fence? Someone's been getting ahold of that hallucinogen the Supreme Court said an obscure church has a right to trip on.

Seriously, if we go with classic lowest bidder combined with border-hoppers forced to perform construction this would come in WAY under these grossly inflated cost estimates. My way has the added disincentive value of those lining up on the other side seeing the hard labor being done by those who preceded them.

The only problem we have with border enforcement is citizens interfering with it...bad business-people needing neoslaves to compete with the law-abiding should be allowed to fail instead of getting a bye from strategic political contributions (at the expense of the honestly successful).

It's all about corruption. Are we going to clean up our act and resume our place as the world's role model or are we going to "get along to go along" into a stagnate backwater of our own making?


118 posted on 02/28/2006 2:52:17 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Grammar got run over by a reindeer.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

It's "go along to get along", and the right word was "stagnant". Hey, my dyslexic parents named me Mikel. I'm fighting a genetic tendacitynous.


119 posted on 02/28/2006 3:11:45 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Stategery! Stalwartiness! Decrapitude! These are are goles.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Thirty-one million dollars per mile for the border fence?

That's not for the fence - it's to build the roads for the NAFTA corridor.

120 posted on 02/28/2006 4:07:53 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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