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Constitution: Dead or alive?
The Washington Times ^ | 2-27-06 | Paul Greenberg

Posted on 02/27/2006 12:16:31 PM PST by JZelle

He's ba-a-a-ck. Not that he ever really goes away. After all, he has life tenure. This time the Hon. Antonin Scalia was calling those of us who think of the Constitution of the United States as a living document "idiots." No, this wasn't Ann Coulter doing her stand-up routine, but rather an associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Welcome to civil discourse, 21st century-style. A decent respect for those who hold to a different philosophy of law, or of anything else, now seems to have gone the way of powdered wigs, dress swords and chivalry in general. This time Justice Scalia was caught talking out of school, or rather his courtroom, at a meeting of the Federalist Society down in Puerto Rico -- although his formal opinions are scarcely more temperate. His subject on this occasion: The idea of a living Constitution and why it's wrong, wrong, wrong. Mr. Justice Scalia summed up the idea before dismissing it as idiotic. "That's the argument of flexibility," he explained, "and it goes something like this: The Constitution is over 200 years old and societies change. It has to change with society, like a living organism, or it will become brittle and break."

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KEYWORDS: antoninscalia; constitution; supremecourt
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

"Greenberg obviously is an idiot!"

No, he's a self-serving mealy mouthed hypocrit. His concern for the anger level in the discourse only manifestes itself when the right fires back.

Back in the 70's and since then anyone who disagreed in any way with a liberal was a "nazi" among many other things.

Suck it up, Paulie.


41 posted on 02/27/2006 1:17:59 PM PST by TalBlack (I WON'T suffer the journalizing or editorializing of people who are afraid of the enemies of freedom)
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To: JZelle

I wonder what these people that call the constitution a "living document" would say if their bank decided that their mortgage was a "living document".


42 posted on 02/27/2006 1:19:47 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: Tzimisce

I have never had a substantive reply, when arguing with a anti-gun nut, when I say that journalists should have to license their keyboards and typewriters, no one could have forseen the invention of these dangerous devices. They should only be allowed to write by longhand, or use an old style printing press.....unless of course they want to be severely regulated.


43 posted on 02/27/2006 1:20:24 PM PST by jeremiah (The biggest threat to Americas survival today, meth usage.)
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To: JZelle
OTOH, I wonder how well Scalia practices what he preaches. He supported the existing extreme expansion of federal powers into places where the federal was not given those powers by the Constitution. He helped bend to the breaking point the definition of "commerce" so the feds could legislate private personal matters in Golzales v. Raich.

O'Connor was actually more constructionist than Scalia in that case, although Thomas (in dissenting like O'Connor) said it best:

If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything–and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.

44 posted on 02/27/2006 1:21:23 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Vaquero

Given that the Bill of Rights is meant to limit the national government, I don't go along with this. IMHO, each state is a separate poliitical community and ought to be free to make its rule of safety and comity. If you don't like the gun laws of New York. move to Texas.


45 posted on 02/27/2006 1:30:53 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: JZelle

In a diverse society, where its diversity is emphasized over its foundational roots, it is inevitable that there arise conflicts about whose moral code is to be adhered to.

Nevertheless, a society without a moral compass will eventually lose its heading.

Nations set themselves adrift when they have no steadfast point of reference.

A people who decide what is right or wrong solely on relative positions are like the nearsighted navigator who always finds them self on course by focusing on the twinkle just over the horizon.

They never realize that the twinkle is the captain’s lamp at the other end of the ship, steering them only to the course they’ve already predetermined.


46 posted on 02/27/2006 1:32:19 PM PST by pointoflight
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To: JZelle

As usual, Scalia is right.


47 posted on 02/27/2006 1:36:50 PM PST by EricT. ("I reject your reality and substitute my own."-Adam Savage)
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To: JZelle

Greenberg's got it wrong, easy for an idiot. The opposite of a "living" Constitution is a respected one.


48 posted on 02/27/2006 1:38:51 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Tzimisce
Freedom of the Press is an ancient idea 200 years dead anyway....

Yeah! Let's require them all to be registered with the local law enforcement agency!

49 posted on 02/27/2006 1:41:18 PM PST by EricT. ("I reject your reality and substitute my own."-Adam Savage)
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To: ziggygrey
Else the "strict constructionists" would have a hard time reconciling that women and Blacks have equal rights..

Just what are you trying to say, newbie (suspected troll)?

50 posted on 02/27/2006 1:46:02 PM PST by EricT. ("I reject your reality and substitute my own."-Adam Savage)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

"People who say that the Constitution is a Living Document ARE idiots."


They're also called liberals, the same people who feel similarly towards the ten commandments.


51 posted on 02/27/2006 1:47:55 PM PST by JZelle
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To: RobbyS; Vaquero
RobbyS:

"Most restrictions are state imposed, and it is harder to argue that states have no right to regulate the use of guns."

Hunting is not protected in the constitution....GUNS ARE!

the second amendment is about protection from tyranny from within and without of our nation. -- ".....the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed......"
39 Vaquero

RobbyS:
Given that the Bill of Rights is meant to limit the national government, I don't go along with this.
IMHO, each state is a separate poliitical community and ought to be free to make its rule of safety and comity. If you don't like the gun laws of New York. move to Texas.

Robby, - I moved to CA 50 years ago when it had reasonable laws on regulating firearms..-- Now the 'moral majority' in this state is outright prohibiting guns. Under your theory, my only recourse is to move? -- Say it isn't so kid. -- Tell us that our RKBA's is an inalienable right.

52 posted on 02/27/2006 2:06:40 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Now the 'moral majority' in this state is outright prohibiting guns. Under your theory, my only recourse is to move? -- Say it isn't so kid. -- Tell us that our RKBA's is an inalienable right.

Not under CA's constitution. You should go ahead and move. All that conservatives serve for in CA is to swell it's population so that the commielibs get 53 electoral votes every four years.

53 posted on 02/27/2006 2:12:53 PM PST by EricT. ("I reject your reality and substitute my own."-Adam Savage)
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To: RobbyS

Regulating is not banning. New York can no more Constitutionally ban firearms than they can reinstitute slavery.


54 posted on 02/27/2006 2:18:14 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: EricT.
And if CA moved to re-institute slavery? Rights are Rights. Those protected, and not specifically limited as an injunction against "Congress", are broad and apply to the States as well.

"Shall not be infringed" is the "Supreme law of the Land". If you don't like that little fact, then there are other Countries you can move to.

55 posted on 02/27/2006 2:20:34 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: tpaine

I don't think you can separate the idea of gun ownership from the notion of the militia as an organized force capable of resisting say, the standing force of government. I will agree that if the practical effect of gun laws is to disarm the people, then it must be resisted. So, following Justice Storey, I think, I regard the possession of guns as a popular rather than an individual right. Hard to enforce this right in as court, however, since a court is an arm of government.


56 posted on 02/27/2006 2:30:09 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Dead Corpse

Sorry, but they can. Life, liberty and property can be taken away by due process of law.


57 posted on 02/27/2006 2:33:28 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

Removal of Rights as part of a criminal trial's punishments are one thing. A priori restraint of an individual's liberty is something quite else. The first is permitted, the second is verbotten.


58 posted on 02/27/2006 2:40:43 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse
If you don't like that little fact, then there are other Countries you can move to.

Cool yer jets, oh decomposing one. I agree with it being the law of the land. I was just relaying that CA has no state constitutional protections of the RKBA.

59 posted on 02/27/2006 2:41:48 PM PST by EricT. ("I reject your reality and substitute my own."-Adam Savage)
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To: EricT.

There is no need for them to have one. As California is a member of the US, it's citizens are due the "privilages and immunities" of us all. The only Constitutional way it could impose a gun ban, restore slavery, or appoint a King, would be if it succeeded from the Union.


60 posted on 02/27/2006 2:45:14 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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