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Dubai ports firm enforces boycott of Israel
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395502196&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull ^ | 2/28/06 | MICHAEL FREUND

Posted on 02/28/2006 1:02:31 AM PST by BlueSky194

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To: Echo Talon
It's a tricky business. I've already said I'm wishy-washy on this DPW issue -- for reasons related to what you suggest. But I am becoming less so -- and more against the ports issue. I am now coming to see it as internally healthy for the US and the US public (and as an example to the PTB in Isreal) to retake close to full intra-national (allowing for parts to only the most strongest and reliable of allies) control of borders and ports.

It is a sign of national self-mastery and self-assurance. Both of those virutes, when grounded to reality, are amoung the strongest of protections against terror and attack.

61 posted on 02/28/2006 5:33:41 AM PST by bvw
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To: nopardons; Echo Talon
The timing of this article is suspect. These port deals and P&O buyout were announced last November by both P&O and DPW. But, more to the point though, the article bubbles to the surface right at the time Congress is asking for and getting a 45-day review of DPW.

But, you're right nopardons, DPW has been doing business with and has had a presence in Israel for some time now.

62 posted on 02/28/2006 5:33:57 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: bvw
I am now coming to see it as internally healthy for the US and the US public (and as an example to the PTB in Isreal) to retake close to full intra-national (allowing for parts to only the most strongest and reliable of allies) control of borders and ports

The unions thank you, that's all we need is another AMTRACK on the ports, talk about screwing up the economy.

63 posted on 02/28/2006 5:35:54 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
I doubt very much that DPWorld will refuse to unload Israeli ships.

I doubt they will either. Not if they want to conduct business in the US. They need to get the officials back home on board as well. If they do, it's not a negative. But to characterize it as Israeli politics is incorrect, it's US law.

64 posted on 02/28/2006 5:36:41 AM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

hey BSF! :) ZIM does business with DPW whats the problem?


65 posted on 02/28/2006 5:37:07 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: SJackson
But to characterize it as Israeli politics is incorrect, it's US law.

Exactly. Yet so far, many in Congress and here at FR have completely ignored that aspect.

66 posted on 02/28/2006 5:39:53 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: SJackson
They're simply pointing out that the Dubai firm is in violation of US law, that's all. Why does that get you so upset?

I took issue with the headline, given the fact that Zim and DPW do business togeather.

67 posted on 02/28/2006 5:41:51 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
Hey there Echo Talon. :) I see no problem with it. In fact, I believe the JPost had no problem with it until today.

Like I said, the whole timing of this article is suspect.

68 posted on 02/28/2006 5:41:55 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

same thing I thought.


69 posted on 02/28/2006 5:42:53 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: SJackson
They're simply pointing out that the Dubai firm is in violation of US law

If they know so much about our laws, they would buttress their argument with which U.S. law(s) were broken.

70 posted on 02/28/2006 5:46:07 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; All

well BSF its all yours im goin' to bed. :) g'Night all


71 posted on 02/28/2006 5:46:39 AM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

LOL! Good night! I just got up. :)


72 posted on 02/28/2006 5:48:46 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: BlueSky194

So, the profits the UAE makes from the port will be used to enforce the Israeli boycott. It will go towards the "Dubai Customs Department's Office for the Boycott of Israel"

Can you believe they actually have an office that! Can we have our cake and eat too?


73 posted on 02/28/2006 5:54:28 AM PST by mikey565 (Let upstate NY secede from NY)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
The primary laws covering foreign boycotts are the 1977 amendments to the Export Administration Act and the Ribicoff Amendment to the 1976 Tax Reform Act.

Frankly, anyone familiar with international trade is familiar with boycotts, with the Arab boycott, and the anti-boycott law in the US. The fact that the JP didn't mention the specific legislation doesn't change the facts.

Rest assured, Dubai Ports is very familiar with the legislation, as are their advisors, and I'd assume that this situation was dealt with. The message just didn't get back home. If that's not the case, and DP expects to have their US subsidiary co-operate with the boycott, which I seriously doubt, the deal will die and the only question left will be what other laws they got a pass on.

My advice, if your intent is to puff up the Dubai case, it would be better to emphacize the positives in the transaction, for example the fact that this could bring Dubai around to the position of, say their neighbor Qatar, which has abandoned the boycott. Attacking US law or the knowledge isn't the way to bring others around to your point of view.

74 posted on 02/28/2006 5:57:46 AM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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To: Slump Tester

Ok, here is why it must be done.

1. The train known as globalism has left the station and it aint comin back. Its the USA who promotes this opportunity for the whole world all the time nonsense and the UAE is just following our advice, so they want, and get the port deal fair and square.

2. This deal actually suits both sides, we have them much closer to us, we tie them to us more tightly as it were and of course, they being a bunch of goat loving savage chieftains know full well that without us, Osama would target and more than likely be assured of owning the UAE within a few years. We simply cannot always use military, and this angle would help preclude further military action. Based on this point, they have a low probability of antagonizing us.


75 posted on 02/28/2006 5:57:49 AM PST by son of caesar
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To: son of caesar

sounds good to me. all they have to do is drop the boycott of israel. just tell them to think globally. think globally = think dhimmi.


76 posted on 02/28/2006 6:00:19 AM PST by RolandBurnam (I WANT SOME PORK RINDS!!!!!)
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To: BlueSky194

Trust me, very few here care not one iota that Dubai is as nation that does not recognize the right of Israel to exist much less do business with Israel. Dubai is a "great nation and a great friend of America." You are islamophobic if you oppose this deal on any grounds. You are a racist if you oppose this deal on any grounds. Allah will punish us if we refuse to allow muslims run our ports.

Our port safety is now guaranteed by Bush and DHS if we allow muslims to run our ports. Plus muslims are much better at it than anyone else. So it might not be a bad idea afterall with this guarantee in place. :)

No threat here. Move along now.



77 posted on 02/28/2006 6:02:09 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Echo Talon
I took issue with the headline, given the fact that Zim and DPW do business togeather.

I understand, and I've seen that posted on other threads. It means nothing, in the US, and with regard to business transactions with the US, they have little choice. The business dealings of most Arab countries are duplicitous in that regard. All their companies have to do is comply in the US. When they import Israeli merchandise to their own countries, they erase the country of origin, occasionally resulting in great outrage and funny stories.

Personally I'm undecided on this, though I'm sure it will go through.

This issue may continue to come up. I'll post a couple short links below. My advice, rather than criticize the source would be to stress the positives. The fact of the matter is most residents of the UAE don't much like us and hate Israel. And they're in the middle ground on the boycott. Suggest that one way of changing that is through trade. Hasn't worked with Egypt or Jordan, has to some extent with Qatar.

And if Dubai Ports isn't co-operating with the boycott in the US, it's irrelevant what their government does at home.

BIS Home Page

Arab Boycott

78 posted on 02/28/2006 6:05:54 AM PST by SJackson (There is but one language which can be held to these people, and this is terror, William Eaton)
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To: Dane

Your attitude reminds me of that Soveit-era Russian saying: You'll burn down your own barn if it would only burn your neighbor's barn too.


79 posted on 02/28/2006 6:06:40 AM PST by bvw
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To: BlueSky194
So if President Bush allows the Dubai/Arabs to take over our ports they will be able to tell us that we cannot import things from ISRAEL!!

Dubai is not "taking over" the six ports. They will have have rights via lease of one terminal at each port.

80 posted on 02/28/2006 6:08:29 AM PST by maryz
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