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Gorbachev chides US for 'superiority'
Herald Sun ^
| 3 March 2006
| Marina Lapenkova
Posted on 03/02/2006 2:44:52 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
FORMER Soviet leader and Nobel peace prize laureate Mikhail Gorbachev has turned 75, bitter that the end of the Cold War has left the United States with what he called a "superiority complex".
"It would be in everyone's interest if that big country America recovered from that disease," he said.
Mr Gorbachev, who launched the democratic and economic reforms that ultimately led to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, described the end of the Cold War as a gift that the United States has squandered.
He also denounced growing Russophobia, saying "some in the West would like to see Russia strangled".
"Russia, with its enormous intellectual and military potential, and control of 42 per cent of the world's natural reserves, elicits fear in the West, and even our friends today fear a renaissance of the Russian empire," he said.
The collapse of the Soviet Union, which dented national prestige, left Mr Gorbachev unpopular at home, with many considering that he served as a Trojan horse for the West.
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If only The Great Ronald Reagan was still with us to take Gorby aside and explain the facts of modern life...
To: Aussie Dasher
the United States with what he called a "superiority complex".That's only because we really are better than everybody else.
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:45:57 PM PST
by
dfwgator
Shut up Gorbachev, you're still a Commie.
To: Aussie Dasher
Mister Bozo. Tear down that wall!
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:47:14 PM PST
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: Aussie Dasher
"Russia, with its enormous intellectual and military potential, and control of 42 per cent of the world's natural reserves, elicits fear in the West, and even our friends today fear a renaissance of the Russian empire," he said. That may be difficult to pull off. I understand Russia's population is decreasing and their lifespans shortening.
To: Aussie Dasher
As Margaret Thatcher told you Gorby, the Soviet Union had lumber, oil, coal, diamonds, gold, minerals, and a vast labor force -
and you guys ran the country into the ground, violently oppressed your own citizens, and produced an economy that was the envy of Bangladesh. Go preach to yourself.
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:49:09 PM PST
by
SkyPilot
To: Aussie Dasher
What, Russia's been around for centuries, and poor little America, only 230 years makes this former maphead squeel? LOL... Remember the gorby imposter? Who's who?

To: Aussie Dasher
He also denounced growing Russophobia, saying "some in the West would like to see Russia strangled".Giving reactors to Iran, UN oil for food fraud, screwing up oil markets, keeping Iran from getting sactions from the Security Council ... Maybe spanked instead if strangled.
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:49:36 PM PST
by
pikachu
(Be alert --we need more lerts!)
To: Aussie Dasher
Mr Gorbachev, who launched the democratic and economic reforms that ultimately led to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991Are f****n kidding me? He was trying to save the Soviet Union!
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:49:48 PM PST
by
oldleft
To: Aussie Dasher
From CIA world factbook
GDP (official rate)
Russia 740.7 Billion with a B
US 12,770 Billion with a B
2005 Estimate
Gorby, talk to the hand!
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:51:52 PM PST
by
montomike
(If you didn't find this funny and were offended...have a riot.)
To: pikachu
It looks like Russia is doing a good job of strangling itself.
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:52:24 PM PST
by
Ukiapah Heep
(Shoes for Industry!)
To: oldleft
Are f****n kidding me? He was trying to save the Soviet Union! You lost me
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:53:07 PM PST
by
fml
To: oldleft
If Gorbachev could have kept the Soviet Union the way it was under Brezhnev, he would have done so. Reagan and Thatcher's policies forced his hand.
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:54:26 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: Aussie Dasher
"some in the West would like to see Russia strangled"
No, nobody want to stangle Russia, just all the commies for the tens of millions they helped murder. And this is not murder; it's justice I'm talking about.
To: darkangel82
Message to Mikhail Sergeyevich:
Hey, loser! Your sh!t's over!
And the New Russia is doing a pretty good job of strangling itself. Misha! How does the world's highest abortion rate grab ya?
Blame those clever American imperialist capitalist warmongers!
To: oldleft
The commies at the MSM will never forgive him for closing down the USSR.
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:55:57 PM PST
by
Proud_USA_Republican
(We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
To: Aussie Dasher
the US chides Gorby for being a loser with puddin' on his head :)
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:56:32 PM PST
by
MikefromOhio
(22,952+ replies - wow I'm talkative.....)
To: Aussie Dasher
He also denounced growing Russophobia, saying "some in the West would like to see Russia strangled".
He sounds like certain Freepers.
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:57:44 PM PST
by
adam_az
(It's the border, stupid!)
To: Pittsburg Phil
No, nobody want to stangle Russia, just all the commies for the tens of millions they helped murder. And Gorby certainly made a contribution to that number on his watch.
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posted on
03/02/2006 2:58:59 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: dfwgator
That's only because we really are better than everybody else. It's the system that is better and you just happened to be lucky enough to be born into it. Your comment basically reinforces his claim. Arrogance is greatest before a fall. Perhaps you should try and stay humble as God would have you.
To: Aussie Dasher
Would the Commie care to point out which country is better overall?
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:00:49 PM PST
by
weegee
("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
To: Aussie Dasher
Anyone who has ever had to opportunity to actually see Russia personally will know that Gorby is full of it. The Russion country side and villages are pathetic. Living conditions in the former commie paradise big cities by any standard are the same. The evidence in just one area is the rampant alcoholism of people trying to retreat from their miserable lives.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:01:39 PM PST
by
hgro
To: dfwgator
Doesn't the "bitter" Mr. Gorbachev live here in the United States? Doesn't he have some sort of foundation that is headquartered in San Francisco? Seems to me I read that somewhere. Perhaps he likes the living conditions, etc., that this country with the "superiority complex" is able to afford him.
To: Aussie Dasher
Pay no attention to Gorby, he is obligated to occasionally spout off with some anti-U.S. rhetoric, so nobody begins to believe the rumors that he was in fact, the most well placed and well paid CIA mole to ever burrow into the Kremlin, all the way to the top.
NICE JOB GORBY! :)
PS- You ARE getting direct deposit now, aren't you? So much easier than having to sign and deposit those checks each month, know what I mean? ;)
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:01:58 PM PST
by
mkjessup
(The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
To: Aussie Dasher
Tragic thing is that if Russia had been free, open, and democratic, companies such as Sikorski (helicopters) and MGM would have been in Russia, and not the US.
It is amazing, being an immigrant myself, that other countries do not recognize this simple fact - it is freedom (economic, political, religious), and if a country denies it to its citizens, it will never amount to much in the long term.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:02:55 PM PST
by
razoroccam
(Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Alright, alright, I guess I should have indicated the statement was made somewhat toungue-in-cheek.
But we really are better. :)
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:03:59 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: Aussie Dasher
From one of history's most inept leaders (second only to Mao, in my opinion).
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:04:26 PM PST
by
Cyclopean Squid
(History is a work in progress)
To: Cyclopean Squid
Mao may have been evil, but hardly inept in terms of keeping his power. Now Jimmy Carter, that's inept.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:05:33 PM PST
by
dfwgator
To: fml
He knew the Soviet Union was going to collapse so he instigated some market reforms in an attempt to save the country. The last thing he wanted was a disintegration of the Soviet Union.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:06:03 PM PST
by
oldleft
To: Aussie Dasher
Gorbawho? I didn't know he was still alive. Last time I saw this bozo he was licking Ronald Reagan's shoes.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:06:17 PM PST
by
newnhdad
(All your government branches are belong to us!! not for long if this cr@p keeps up.)
To: Aussie Dasher
Russia (USSR) attacks Afghanistan for what, 14 years? And retreat leaving destruction and mamed children.
The US attacks Afghanistan (the Taliban) and removes government from power in what 2 months? And while we are still there, we are building schools and hospitals, and utility infrastructures. Pushing Afghanistan into the modern world (or at least into the later 19th century).
Superiority? No air of superiority here. Its all fact.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:06:32 PM PST
by
mountn man
(Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic.)
To: dfwgator
No, the Great Leap Forward is the policy of a simpleton who had no understanding of reality. The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution was pure chaos and completely disastrous. Mao was a great revolutionary, but an awful ruler.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:08:03 PM PST
by
Cyclopean Squid
(History is a work in progress)
To: Aussie Dasher
The Soviets had a neurotic inferiority complex for 70 years.........well deserved.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:08:51 PM PST
by
CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
(Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
To: Aussie Dasher
I'm thinking of Daniel Pipes's opinion piece in the WSJ this week. Fits this to a tee.
To: Aussie Dasher
The Jimmuh Carter of Russia.
To: weegee
Would the Commie care to point out which country is better overall?and besides being nearky piss poor, they are still pouring 45% of their budget into weapons & nukes like the cold war never ended!!
To: Aussie Dasher
"Russia, with its enormous intellectual and military potential, and control of 42 per cent of the world's natural reserves, elicits fear in the West, and even our friends today fear a renaissance of the Russian empire," he [Gorbachev] said. Despite his having a gorbasm as he made this pronouncement, Russia "elicits fear in the fact" only because it is notoriously treacherous, duplicitous, and paranoid.
This make it unworthy of trust.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:16:55 PM PST
by
F16Fighter
(Does everything we've "learned about Islam from 9/11" change with the UAE Port deal?)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; dfwgator
That's only because we really are better than everybody else.
It's the system that is better and you just happened to be lucky enough to be born into it. Your comment basically reinforces his claim. Arrogance is greatest before a fall. Perhaps you should try and stay humble as God would have you.
Well SOMEBODY had to build that system, it didn't just appear magically in 1776.
America has given more to the world, and asked for damn near nothing in return, more than any other nation on Earth. When there is a disaster in the world, it is America that everyone turns to with their hand stretched out for help. When the oppressed are praying for freedom, it is invariably America who delivers that freedom to them. America has given away billions upon billions of dollars to those in need, only to be pissed on by ungrateful slobs who lack the intellectual firepower to resist the never-ending America-hating which is a regular staple of the Euro-weenie crowd, who had to depend on America not once, but twice, to save them from tyrants run amok.
Even post 9/11, the #1 destination of immigrants all over the world is America, they swim, they sail, they walk, they crawl, they fly, they DIE in their efforts to reach U.S. soil and the freedoms and opportunities that America represents.
What you are mistaking for arrogance in Dfwgator is pride in his Country, which isn't misplaced. There is an old saying, something along the lines of "it ain't braggin, if it's true". And the truth is, Americans are among the most generous and compassionate people on the face of the planet, and were it not for the United States and Ronald Reagan, YOU my FRiend from Germany just might be answering to the likes of Erich Honecker even today. Make no mistake about it, due to the perseverence and courage of leaders like Reagan and Thatcher, the West won the Cold War, and Soviet Communism died, and not a moment too soon.
Does that make Americans better than everyone else? That's not up to me to say, but the world sure forgets in a hurry that they were only one superpower away from a global Soviet Empire until that final collapse of the U.S.S.R.
You're Welcome.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:17:21 PM PST
by
mkjessup
(The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
To: Aussie Dasher
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:17:50 PM PST
by
lawgirl
(Cake is a powerful food!)
To: Aussie Dasher
Having a well deserved "superiority complex" is better than a well deserved "inferiority complex". As for who has squandered the gift of the end Cold War, I would suggest it is Russia, not, not America who pissed it away.
You're a "Loser" Gorby. Reagan in his grave is more of man than you are today.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:35:44 PM PST
by
PsyOp
(The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
To: mkjessup
Exactly. Same euros,russians and now chinese that are jealous and hateful towards the US. Who cares, we will keep doing what we do and they will continue to hate us and spew their ignorant anti-american diatribes. I am proud to have been born here and I have been all over the world. They are no place like the good old USofA and it just drives the eurotrash(your socilialist system is communism lite and destroys innovation) mad. Which is rather hilarious and entertaining!
To: Indy Pendance
RE: post #7.
The Energizer Commie... He keeps on lying, and lying, and lying...
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:39:32 PM PST
by
PsyOp
(The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
To: Aussie Dasher
Ol' Gorby needs to have a nice big glass of STFU and vodka.
In the words of Patrick Swayze's character from Red Dawn before he shot the Communist invader in the face, "YOU LOSE!"
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:40:41 PM PST
by
FierceDraka
("Sure as I know anything, I know this: I aim to misbehave." - Capt. Mal Reynolds)
To: fml
You lost me.
Gorbachev's reforms were an attempt to save the soviet communist system (he said so in his book). Glastnost & Perestroika had the effect of checking the gas level in your tank with match.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:43:28 PM PST
by
PsyOp
(The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It's the system that is better and you just happened to be lucky enough to be born into it. This is unfair. The U.S. Constitution is a work of political genius, to be sure. But a lot has happened here since the Constitution was ratified in 1789. In the 1970s we were in danger of losing everything to the socialists. But the American people wisely chose the course of freedom. And we will continue to do so. Was Clarence Thomas lucky to become as capable and visionary as he is? Did he wind up on the Supreme Court by luck? Of course not. Justice Thomas worked hard and according to a vision to become what he is. And he was appointed through the vision and hard work of many others (and he was confirmed despite the strident opposition of the socialists). This is not luck, and it is not a well-crafted system running on auto-pilot. Good things happen because good people conceive of them and then work to make them happen. This is why we have Justice Alito instead of Harriet Meiers. This sort of thing, large and small, happens in America every day. That is why we are still free.
To: Aussie Dasher
US Chides Gorbachev for gross inferiority.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:47:45 PM PST
by
MNJohnnie
("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
To: BunnySlippers
The Jimmuh Carter of Russia. LOL! That just about says it all. Except he has none of Jimmuh's southern charm and personality. Incompetent and droll.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:48:34 PM PST
by
PsyOp
(The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
To: Aussie Dasher
Gorbachev is quite possibly one of the most stupid men to have ever ruled Russia. Upon getting into office, one of his first acts was to attempt to clamp down on alcohol consumption.
In Russia? (As was obvious, the moonshine industry exploded overnight).
Regards, Ivan
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:48:56 PM PST
by
MadIvan
(You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
To: PsyOp; oldleft
Sure, but in the end it still turned out to be the downfall
He tried and failed, that is his legacy actually
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:50:02 PM PST
by
fml
To: fml
Didn't I say that? I thought I said that. He had no clue what he was doing, it blew up in his face, and he's been scratching his head over it ever since. He even makes Carter look like a political genius.
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posted on
03/02/2006 3:54:33 PM PST
by
PsyOp
(The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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