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The Marquis de Sade: The Left’s Man of Diverse ‘Sexual Orientations’
Chron Watch ^ | Macch 5 2002 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 03/05/2006 1:16:28 PM PST by little jeremiah

The Marquis de Sade: The Left’s Man of Diverse ‘Sexual Orientations’

Sunday, March 05, 2006

America is undergoing an extreme makeover and the wrecking crews are Leftists. They believe that everything about our civilization is an illusion—including our created condition as either man or woman. In other words, because they do not believe that God exists or the Bible is true, our civilization and condition are merely social constructs. To the wreckers we are but plastic figures that can be melted down and remolded. The wrecking crews conceal their insane ambitions behind deceptive code words such as diversity, multiculturalism, sensitivity, sexual orientation, safe schools, choice, and sex education.

America’s Left is comprised of two sorts of people: those willing to engage in evil and those who are willing to aid and abet it. In the words of David Horowitz: “Socialist economics, critical theory, and progressive loyalties have produced the worst atrocities, the most horrific suffering, the most crushing oppression, and the greatest misery in all human history. But not for a moment…since the fall of the Berlin Wall, has the Left begun to face its failure, or confront its deeds. It has simply moved to another trench in its permanent war against the West…it has degenerated from a Stalinist universalism to a neo-fascist tribalism, which is what multiculturalism is really about.” (Mussolini and Neo-Fascist Tribalism: Up From Multiculturalism Jan. 1998).

Identity politics is the bastard child of multiculturalism. In short, it’s the process by which politically empowered ‘tribes’ are created. Its working principal can be boiled down to “God is dead therefore we are at liberty to self-actualize as we please.” ‘Tribes,’ be they witches, vampires, goddesses, Islamic radicals, illegal aliens, or the ‘sexually oriented’ variety, are not just autonomous but off-limits to outside criticism. Each ‘tribe’ establishes a ‘cultural narrative’ and then defines the ‘rules of authenticity.” This is multiculturalism in a nutshell. Multicultural tribes are politically sacrosanct. They are weapons of mass destruction being wielded by the Left in its war against our traditional culture and infrastructure.

When we consider the Left’s great heroes are murderous barbarians such as Pol Pot, Kim Jung II, Fidel Castro, Lenin, Stalin, and Sadam Hussein it comes as no surprise that the foul pervert and murderer—the Marquis de Sade—is likewise one of the Left’s heroic icons. Sade, role model for the ‘sexual orientation’ tribes, is celebrated by the Left as a “heroic apostle of individual rights, a giant of philosophical thought, and a martyr for freedom of conscience.” (Sade, a Biographical Essay, by Lawrence Bongie, 2000)

In a 1951 essay, “Must We Burn Sade,” Simone de Beauvoir (heroine of the man-hating lesbian feminists) identifies Sade as a forerunner of Freud with an intuitive grasp of the nature of the human heart. Beauvoir, a sex-obsessed lesbian, wrote: “Not only does Sade…anticipate…the ‘pansexuality’ of Freud, but he also makes eroticism the mainspring of human behavior…He knew that the ‘perversions’ that are vulgarly regarded as moral monstrosities or psychological defects actually envelop…intentionality. In a passage in ‘La Nouvelle Justine’ he tries to explain coprophillia (sexual excitement over feces)…he points out that the truth of a thing lies not in what it is but in the meaning it has taken on for us in the course of our individual experience. Intuitions such as these allow us to hail Sade as a precursor of psychoanalysis” (www.crimelibrary.com).

In the dialectical jargon of Stalinist ‘identity politics,’ Sade was a man of diverse ‘sexual orientations” (tribal identities) which birthed his many ‘alternative lifestyle choices’ (authentic cultural narratives).

Douglas Lynott not only provides us with an idea of Sade’s sexual orientations, but also, especially within the last half, the depths of evil which motivate the Left: “Assisted by his wife, two other young adult women…and his valet, Sade assembled his captives daily for a mélange of activities: masturbation, fellatio, sodomy (both heterosexual and homosexual), sodomy chains, and…scourging. The very acts that cause…people of reason and morals to recoil in terror provided the Marquis with sensations of ecstasy: the physical and emotional domination of another and the violent destruction of youthful innocence. This ecstasy is portrayed by one of the protagonists of “Philosophy in the Boudoir,” who exclaims, “How delicious to corrupt, to stifle all semblances of virtue and religion in that young heart!” (ibid)

Sade revealed that inner ‘promptings’ are the source of his ‘sexual orientations’ when he wrote: “I wanted only to try to live in accord with the promptings which came from my true self. Was that so very difficult?” (ibid)

Another word for ‘prompting’ is ‘impulse.’ These can be of two kinds—good or bad. As free moral agents, we always have the choice to either act upon or to reject dark impulses. Sade obviously never developed the self-discipline necessary to reject them. Thus, he first became controlled by them, and then eventually was transformed by them into a foul creature whose name became synonymous with sadomasochism, which had thus become the source of his ‘true self.’

The Left’s operative scheme now comes into focus. First, they hold out temptations to seduce the unwary into acting upon dark impulses (self-actualization process). Then the actualized ‘dark impulses’ are deceptively cast as ‘sexual orientations.” In this manner they create ‘sexually oriented’ tribes which are then manipulated into destroying America’s culture while simultaneously allowing Leftists to gain access to our most vulnerable: children and young adults.

As revealed by David Horowitz in “The Politics of Bad Faith” (www.discoverthenetwork.org), Leftists plan to create a ‘queer utopia” populated by ‘queer genderless beings’: “Queer revolution is thus the ultimate subversive project: It proclaims not only the death of…God, but of Nature’s Law…theirs is the ultimate Nietzschean fantasy: a world in which humanity is God. The future will give birth to a new revolutionary people, no longer male and female, but queer. Queer is the Promethean category of the post-modernist Left.”

In a blatant endeavor to violate and destroy the innocence of youth and simultaneously enslave them to dark impulses, consider the following examples from our Leftist controlled academia:

Prof. Peter Singer of Princeton advocates bestiality: “Sex with animals does not always include cruelty…not everyone objects to being used by his or her dog…” Prof. Marjorie Garber of Harvard encourages “not just love of dogs, but love with dogs as well.” Prof. Susan Scotto of Mount Holyoke teaches a ‘stripping class” Prof. Harris Mirkin of the U. of Missouri encourages pedophilia: “Children are the last bastion of the old sexual morality” U. of Colorado Prof. Craig Palmer wrote the book, “A Natural History of Rape” which states that rape confers a selective advantage on men. (Source: ‘Whistleblower”: Brainwashing 101, vol. 14, no. 9)

Efforts at ‘violently destroying the innocence of youth,” this time of teens, is evidenced by the following examples:

1. “Time Magazine: School Event Exposes Massive Cultural Campaign to Promote Homosexuality to Kids” (Robert Knight and Benjamin Frichtl; Concerned Women for America) “A cocktail party in Manhattan with billionaire liquor magnate Edgar Bronfman, Sr., and Clinton political strategist David Mixner was held in May to raise money for the Point Foundation, a scholarship program to turn ‘gay’ kids into homosexual activists.

2. “Turning girls into boys” (Peter LaBarbera, WorldNetDaily.com, Feb. 2002) “A female-to-male transgender conference attended…by hundreds of young women including teenagers…was sponsored by the Human Rights Campaign…world’s leading homosexual organization…included a panel on “How to Do SM (sadomasochism)…a grotesque and disturbing pedophilic painting (was) prominently displayed (of) a baby boy lying naked on his back being sodomized by the nipple of a baby bottle.”

3. “The Little Black Book—Queer in the 21st Century”: this sadomasochistic book was distributed to hundreds of teens at Brook School, Brookline, MA, Apr. 30, 2005 at an event organized by the Gay and Straight Education Network (GSLEN). Among other activities kids were encouraged to explore was “pee play”: urinating on each other. This ‘Marquis de Sade’ style book can be viewed at: www.article8.org.

Listed below are examples of the Lefts success in unleashing the destructive forces of uninhibited sex while simultaneously transforming our nation into Sades ‘pleasure castle’:

“Express route to controversy in Atlanta—pedophile musical (Variety.com; Mark Blankenship, 12/19/05) “NYPD Black and Blue? NY Police Recruit at Sadistic Sex Festival (Peter LaBarbera; www.americansfortruth.com) “Sadistic sex practitioners defend...whipping…beating…hand-anal fisting…burning their bodies with hot wax…bondage…as ‘consensual.’ “Dance Sponsored by ‘Gay’ Millennium March Features Homosexual Orgy, Gruesome Sadism (ibid) “witnesses saw a sadistic stage scene in which a man was strapped to a large St. Andrews (x) cross—his head covered with a black hood—while another man stuck needles into his chest.” “US teacher sexpidemic spreading across planet: Long list of American rapists joined by female Australians” (Joe Kovacs, WorldNetDaily.com, 12/14/05)

Having successfully unleashed sexual anarchy upon America, Leftists now seek to have anyone who objects declared mentally insane: “Calif. Psychologist Wants ‘Extreme Bias’ Against Homosexuals Added to DSM” (Washington Post, Shankar Vedantam)

The two sorts of people…those willing to engage in evil and those willing to aid and abet it…. purposely uncapped the bottle holding the chaos-producing sex genie, arrogantly believing they could force it to do their bidding. As a result, rampant sex crimes and the foul stench of the Marquis de Sade’s perversions waft freely throughout our land, corrupting and befouling everything they touch.

The truths which the Left seek to obscure are twofold: We are meant for higher things and noble causes. We are not meant to behave like dogs in heat. We are men and women—not ‘sexual orientations,’ ‘goddesses,’ and ‘vampires.’ These things are the true ‘social constructions’---birthed by dark impulses, brought to life in the imagination---empowered and applauded by the infinity of darkness. To embrace them is to embrace the self-loathing idea that we are less than we are.

About the Writer: Linda Kimball is a writer and author of numerous articles and essays on culture, politics, and world view. Linda receives e-mail at LindyKimball@msn.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
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Not for the faint of heart*; hard hitting article. I highly recommend it to anyone who already sees the problem, and even more to those who don't see the problem.

*The faint of heart are the reason why things have gotten to this sorry pass. Faint of hearts - it's time to take sides, one or the other. By not taking sides against evil, one is choosing to support evil.

1 posted on 03/05/2006 1:16:30 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: wagglebee; DirtyHarryY2K; DBeers

For both lists.


2 posted on 03/05/2006 1:17:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: little jeremiah
De Sade's books are the most horrific ever written. After three or four pages, one gives up. No wonder he was confined to the asylum. They are a mad man's vision of the psyche and his notion of sexual sadism is not what I can accept. It is libertinism pushed to the ultimate extreme.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

3 posted on 03/05/2006 1:21:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: little jeremiah
Technically correct, The "left" does not build, it only wrecks.

Some of today's "lefties" treat everything like De Sade treated sex.

4 posted on 03/05/2006 1:24:34 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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5 posted on 03/05/2006 1:28:42 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: little jeremiah

Wow! That was great. She really did her homework. God bless her.

(I learned a new word today, "coprophillia")


6 posted on 03/05/2006 1:28:56 PM PST by Search4Truth (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: xcamel
We've come a long way since the 18th Century in embracing the perverted, the abnormal, the profane and the shocking as acceptable, normal, holy and ordinary. Its at a remove between then and now that we can see how much our views about social behavior have changed. And not necessarily for the better. If De Sade made a contribution to our thought, its of a world in which rules and sexual identity can be reimagined and redefined according to how different individuals desire to express them.

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7 posted on 03/05/2006 1:29:16 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: xcamel

Its like homos. Is there one gay engineer for every 10 gay Actors, fashion designers, artists? One for every 100, or 1000? Talk about about culture that values form far more than function.


8 posted on 03/05/2006 1:29:43 PM PST by King Moonracer
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To: little jeremiah

bump for later


9 posted on 03/05/2006 1:30:04 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: little jeremiah
Is any "Emperor's New Clothes" more transparent than academia's? When you have Harvard "professors" who tout bestiality, etc., Harvard is no longer an institution of higher learning, it is a joke. An expensive joke that is wasting valuable educational time on sexual depravity.

I have to juxtapose this with something a science writer keeps telling me - that America is no longer producing smart people, that is now happening in places like India. I wonder, as they produce engineers and doctors, are those countries allowing pedophiles and other kooks in their universities?

10 posted on 03/05/2006 1:32:32 PM PST by Williams
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To: little jeremiah
For those who are interested by medical mysteries and blessed with a strong stomach, the title story in this collection, The Beetle of Aphrodite and Other Medical Mysteries explains what de Sade did to earn his death sentence for murder in absentia. Half the story is some 1950s deaths that resulted unintentionally from the same cause. The rest of the book has several other, less gruesome, interesting mysteries.
11 posted on 03/05/2006 1:34:48 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: little jeremiah
At the same time that the Left revels in it's "new freedoms", it is notable that they do not simply wish to wallow in their own self made sewer.

Consider their attitude to those who do not wish to follow. Do they simply shrug their shoulders and say "every one to their own"? No, they do not. What they do however, is to heap vituperation, ridicule, and abuse on those who try to protect their own way.

This extends to the attack on the rights of children. To be brought up "the way they should go" is commonsense. If should be done with the best interests of a child. If the child wishes to go the way of the Left, when they reach adulthood, they will have plenty of opporunities.The Left wishes corruption, BEFORE the child has to know it's own mind.

The hate of the Left for those who wish a different path, is because seeing those other people, holds up a mirror to their own sick, obscene souls.

12 posted on 03/05/2006 1:41:56 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: little jeremiah

bttt


13 posted on 03/05/2006 1:43:49 PM PST by Albion Wilde (The best service a retired general can give is to...mothball his opinions. – Omar Bradley)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Thanks, I don't need to know everything. Some stuff just sticks in the mind even when you don't want it to....


14 posted on 03/05/2006 1:44:13 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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I think I made it to about page 10 of 100 Nights before becoming so physically ill I had to throw the thing in the trash, take a shower, brush my teeth, and I still felt filthy.

That man was beyond perverted. He was a monster.
15 posted on 03/05/2006 1:47:03 PM PST by Ronin
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To: little jeremiah
De Sade seems even by modern standards to have been clinically insane. I've read Justine, Juliette, and struggled through the nearly unreadable 120 Days Of Sodom, a book that was actually recreated by De Sade after the original was burnt, (and which of these was the one Beauvoir chose to defend). He wrote that the recreation wasn't as good as the original. One can only imagine.

The po-mo's have it wrong: De Sade wasn't actually advancing anything in particular as much as he was providing a disquisition on how systematic rejection of (especially) Christan mores led to a hedonistic sort of paradise on this earth - this is especially pronounced in Justine. The difficulty is that the hedonistic paradise he described was banal, brutal, and unutterably boring.

It is actually a fairly good measure of the intellectual progress of the postmodern left - it was a doctrine based on and restricted to rejection. There are flaws with present-day society just as there were flaws in de Sade's, and the assumption that categorical rejection of every more that built present society will lead to some sort of mirror-image utopia is one that even its adherents must know is illogical, and hence they reject logic; is immoral, and hence they reject morality, is incoherent, and hence they reject coherence. It is also impossible, which is a much more difficult thing to reject. The only recourse to demanding the impossible is to pretend that you've attained it, and that is precisely where postmodernism leads, to a grand fantasy world with increasingly few connections to the real one.

16 posted on 03/05/2006 1:52:51 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
Simone de Beauvoir (heroine of the man-hating lesbian feminists)

They haven't read her writing, or they didn't understand it. She was one of the early feminists, though.

17 posted on 03/05/2006 1:58:17 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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DeSade was writing in the same climate of opinion that vaunted Rousseau's adoration of the primative. I, too, slogged through DeSade, back when I was a graduate student in intellectual history specializing in the Enlightenment and thought I needed to understand the dark side of it as well as the more luminous facets. In many respects I think DeSade is a fascinating reductio ad absurdum on the branch of the French Enlightenment that encompassed Rousseau. It's curious how great the contrast is between the French Enlightenment, which seemed ever attracted to extremes, and either the English or German Enlightenments, both of which combined philosophical speculation with a firm connection to common sense.
18 posted on 03/05/2006 2:22:01 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Billthedrill

Liberalism (really, leftism and all its pet isms) is a (serious) mental illness.

Objective reality exists, and they don't "believe" in it.


19 posted on 03/05/2006 2:25:32 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: Billthedrill

I read Philosophy in the Boudoir almost 6 years ago, a few months before I came to the US.

From what I vaguely remember reading, I'll agree with your assessment, but I'd like to add something:

He was more Nietzschean that Nietzsche himself. His hedonistic, "perfect" world would be ruled by Godless, powerful human beings who wouldn't budge in killing and maiming to achieve absolute power.


20 posted on 03/05/2006 2:29:53 PM PST by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: little jeremiah
As Anthony J. Hilder once put it:

Liberalism is more than just a mental disease; it is a sickness of the soul.

Hippies, Hookers, Hypes and Heathens, Hostile and Heretic, out-Herod Herod

.... and so on.

21 posted on 03/05/2006 2:30:19 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Billthedrill

Thanks Bill -- I've been trying to get that across for some time now.


22 posted on 03/05/2006 2:41:07 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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He was more Nietzschean that Nietzsche himself.

That he was. Nietzsche gets a sort of bad rap for the "God is dead" line he put into the mouth of a madman. De Sade really believed it.

I think DeSade is a fascinating reductio ad absurdum on the branch of the French Enlightenment that encompassed Rousseau.

Yes - the English political Enlightenment included such luminaries as Locke, Paine, and Burke - the French included Robespierre and Marat. Not the most comfortable of comparisons.

I do think it amusing that De Sade missed being liberated by the storming of the Bastille by about two weeks. I'm not sure I could handle that sort of metaphor. ;-)

23 posted on 03/05/2006 2:47:07 PM PST by Billthedrill
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Not for the faint of heart*; hard hitting article. I highly recommend it to anyone who already sees the problem, and even more to those who don't see the problem.

24 posted on 03/05/2006 3:22:03 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K ("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
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Sorry pinglisters for the extra ping..

Better twice than not at all..(I guess)

I have so many pings on my pings page they get buried. Note to self, double check next time..

25 posted on 03/05/2006 3:29:29 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K ("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
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To: little jeremiah

"America’s Left is comprised of two sorts of people: those willing to engage in evil and those who are willing to aid and abet it."

I disagree with this. The Left is indeed comprised of two sorts of people. The first one listed above is correct; the Left's leaders are willing to engage in all sorts of evil to advance their agenda, and are cunning and extraordinarily deceptive. The second sort is an entirely clueless group. The deceptiveness of the first group and the cluelessness of the second group is illustrated by the Left's success in calling good evil, and evil good. The simple fact is that most of the Left is just clueless, due to lack of intelligence, intellectual laziness, or government schooling (aka, public school.)


26 posted on 03/05/2006 3:54:27 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: little jeremiah

I think the left is going to win. They have played to game a long time and know how to make evil sound good. Our culture is too weak to fight aganist what they call homophobia. They know how to state their case and demean those who would speak aganist them as mean, homophobic, denying them a civil right (which does not exsist) etc. I have little hope.


27 posted on 03/05/2006 4:29:50 PM PST by therut
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To: little jeremiah

Bump


28 posted on 03/05/2006 4:30:50 PM PST by spirited irish
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To: therut
I have little hope.

Some of us are still fighting. :^)

From the in case you missed it dept.

29 posted on 03/05/2006 5:22:51 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K ("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
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To: therut

Yes, but you are forgetting good ol' fashioned conservative obstinacy. The kind of obstinacy where you never admit defeat, and win just by being irritating enough to keep on living and holding on to your beliefs.

I mean...just look at early Christian history, or Jewish history. Persecution? Meh. We're all still around. We come back every time, stronger than before.

And besides, demeaning people only works for so long as a tactic. Use it too often, as the left is doing, and you just throw up your hands and say "Fine, I'm mean, narrow-minded, intolerant and homophobic. I still think it's wrong, and I'm going to shout it from every rooftop. So screw you, hippie, with some sexual harassment on top!"


30 posted on 03/05/2006 5:23:35 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

LOL!!!!!!!!!!! I'm just overly concerned or feeling old I don't know which.


31 posted on 03/05/2006 5:40:54 PM PST by therut
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To: little jeremiah

The Sex Positive Agenda (which stretches back decades) seeks to objectives: (1) no moral judgments over sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, relation, number, marital status, or species of partner(s) and (2) everyone sexually active at every age (abstinence is "unhealthy" because it is a suppression of desires).


32 posted on 03/05/2006 5:49:03 PM PST by weegee ("Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15.")
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To: therut

So the Left calls people names.

So what? How do they put teeth into their denunciations? In Cuba and liberal Western Europe (and in academia and the media, of course), they can cause loss of employment, ostracism, even death, to those denounced.

But this is America. The denounced can fight (and kill) back. Who cares what this Left filth thinks?

Not I. Let's cut flesh, howaboudit?


33 posted on 03/05/2006 5:51:18 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: little jeremiah
I watched the very lefty Rabbi Lerner on c-span today. He gave out his agenda and he really let his true colors show during answer and question. He said there is only one verse in the OT about homosexuality.. The one about man not laying with another man as a woman. He had the stupidity to say well if the Right believes in a literal interpretation then justsay man must lay with man in a different way than a woman. Good Grief.. He also said his world he wants will be when there are no longer any Nation States but the world will be ruled by a world law that protects now get this THE ENVIRONMENT. He said if this does not happen mankind is going to destroy the world in 50 years some mankind will die off. This guy is a NUT but there are NUTS who believe just like him.
34 posted on 03/05/2006 6:41:52 PM PST by therut
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To: therut

This is an article that would blow Rabbi Lerner's skullcap into high-earth orbit:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0003.html

(don't let "catholic education" fool you; it's written by conservative
Jewish commentator Dennis Prager)


35 posted on 03/05/2006 6:51:37 PM PST by VOA
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To: little jeremiah; wagglebee; DirtyHarryY2K; DBeers
Having successfully unleashed sexual anarchy upon America, Leftists now seek to have anyone who objects declared mentally insane: “Calif. Psychologist Wants ‘Extreme Bias’ Against Homosexuals Added to DSM” (Washington Post, Shankar Vedantam)

I vote we declare these leftists and "psychologists" mentally insane.

They are psychotic. Every one of them.

36 posted on 03/05/2006 6:56:00 PM PST by kstewskis (Disclaimer: Not responsible for driveling random postings during the Lenten Season...)
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To: little jeremiah

de Sade gets fair credit for adding to the madness following the
French Revolution in this book:
"The Twilight of Atheism: The Rise and Fall of Disbelief in the Modern World"
by Alister McGrath

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385500610/sr=8-4/qid=1141613599/ref=pd_bbs_4/103-1494402-0811809?%5Fencoding=UTF8


37 posted on 03/05/2006 6:56:44 PM PST by VOA
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To: Search4Truth

"(I learned a new word today, "coprophillia")"

Yes, indeed. And may I suggest a usage for that new word? How's 'bout "Practice coprophillia and assume room temperature - Liberals!"

;-)


38 posted on 03/05/2006 7:05:42 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: therut; Carry_Okie

When people have an exploitive mentality towards others - use and toss, like old kleenex - that user mentality will seep into everything they do. The "me first, last and only" consciousness taints every aspect of their life.

Look, for instance, at the Clintons. Billy J is a perfect example. In every field of endeavor, user mentality. Me first, and the devil take the hindmost. No one can use other people as sexual orifices only and in the "rest" of their life be a nice, caring, rational guy. He sees the entire world as his to use.

These leftists who supposedly care so much about the environment while pushing evil and immoral agendas only want a nice environment so when they go rock climbing or hiking it'll be nice FOR THEM. They could give a crap about the rest of us, in fact, they're the ones who are big on abortion and euthanasia. They want the world all pristine and pure for THEM.

Greed and selfishness - when people look at others as sex objects for them to enjoy, with sex divorced from marriage and the potential for procreation, they start looking at everything the same way. Use for me, use for me, use for me.

They paint this selfishness with the word "Environmentalist" but they only care about the environment in a way that suits their greed. They'd actually like a whole bunch of human beings (us, of course, not them and their friends) to die so they'd have more living space... Hmm, sounds familiar, doesn't it?


39 posted on 03/05/2006 7:14:12 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: weegee

Exactly so. And homosexuality is the poster child, since if same sex acts (which are by their very nature extremely disgusting and unhealthy) are fine, why then, everything else which isn't quite as disgusting must be even more fine!

Reminds me of the psychological training/brainwashing in "That Hideous Strength" by C.S.Lewis.


40 posted on 03/05/2006 7:16:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: GladesGuru

"assume room temperature"

Ha! Took me a while to figure out, but that's funny!


41 posted on 03/05/2006 7:20:06 PM PST by To Hell With Poverty (excess ain't rebellion, you're drinkin' what they're sellin'...)
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To: RBroadfoot

I respectfully disagree. Anyone who is a useful tool of the left can inform themselves and see the truth. I used to be a raving leftist. Raving. I changed; anyone can change. All they need is a desire to know what's real and what's true. No one is so stupid or ill informed that they can't change. Only the organically retarded have an excuse.

As they used to say, "If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem."


42 posted on 03/05/2006 7:20:19 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: GladesGuru
How's 'bout "Practice coprophillia and assume room temperature

I prefer, 'Masticate feces and expire.'

43 posted on 03/05/2006 7:22:03 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: therut

I'll tell you why I have hope.

1. If the leftists win, there's still hope. Why? Because a society based on falsehood, no objective reality, false compassion placed wrongly (remember what the road to hell is paved with), aggressive atheism, hedonism, and rebellion against all morality based on universal religious principles (the only kind there is) is doomed to anarchy. People, without family structure (I mean REAL family) will become feral humans. Complete chaos will ensue. Then totalitarianism will occur to stem the mayhem, which will likely then allow human civilization again at some point.

2. I don't think it will get that far because (a) too many people haven't gone insane yet, and (b) at least in the US, many of those who haven't gone totally insane are armed.

There!

Where there's life, there's hope.

And if everyone who sees reality speaks up, and does whatever s/he can, there's hope.


44 posted on 03/05/2006 7:26:13 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: little jeremiah
Yup.

When I learned who funded this garbage and why, what their beliefs are and whence they came, it led to pretty serious depression. For the first time in over twenty years I prayed. It led me back to the Lord and our family has never been the same. :-)

45 posted on 03/05/2006 7:27:51 PM PST by Carry_Okie (And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)
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To: Carry_Okie

LOL!! They're both good.


46 posted on 03/05/2006 7:28:35 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Note my comment above about hope...


47 posted on 03/05/2006 7:29:56 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: Carry_Okie

Nice. That's why pain exists - to remind us that we are eating the pigslop and our Father is waiting for us.


48 posted on 03/05/2006 7:32:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil. CS.Lewis)
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To: little jeremiah
I worked as a bouncer at a bondage bar during college. Not my sort of thing, really, but it definitely wasn't the orgiastic madness that Ms. Kimball describes here. Frankly, what I took away from the experience was that people's "degenerate" sexual fetishes are surprisingly boring and fairly prevalent with a large cross-section of society. We didn't allow cameras in the club, partly because we wanted to maintain a certain mystique, but also because patrons and employees sometimes led double-lives. Doctors, lawyers, local politicians, businessmen, teachers, etc. all came in at one time or another.

Some people like to play with poop in bed, others will pay a dominatrix $500/hour to physically humiliate them, but everyone in that club and everyone in the scene was very very serious about consent and safety. De Sade might be known as the man who popularized the notion of sadomasochism, but very few people in the bondage scene would condone or seek to repeat his actions. No one that I ever met at the club would kidnap someone or do that sort of stuff with minors; everything was very safe, or at least in the more extreme cases, very consensual.

On a more personal note, I will say that a number of people at the club spent thousands of dollars on fetish gear when they would have been better served to spend a couple hours a day at the gym. *euch* I haven't seen that much white since the Halloween Blizzard of 1991.

49 posted on 03/05/2006 7:47:02 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: little jeremiah
LOL!! They're both good.

Yeah, when yuh tells that to the libberills they defecate rectalinear structural elements.

50 posted on 03/05/2006 8:44:20 PM PST by Carry_Okie (And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)
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