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Two-Stage-to-Orbit 'Blackstar' System Shelved at Groom Lake? [Aviation Week & Space Technology}
Aviation Week & Space Technology ^ | 3/5/2006 | William B. Scott

Posted on 03/06/2006 8:44:36 AM PST by narby

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I think I'm on record around here saying that if I were going to build a crew transport orbiter, this is how I would do it. A two stage vehicle with XB-70 first stage.

Looks like it's been done. Now the question is why did they shut it down?

1 posted on 03/06/2006 8:44:40 AM PST by narby
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To: Aeronaut

You've got to see this.


2 posted on 03/06/2006 8:45:45 AM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: narby

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1590674/posts


Yay! I get to be the net-Nazi!


3 posted on 03/06/2006 8:46:44 AM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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To: narby
Now the question is why did they shut it down?

Perhaps they didn't?
4 posted on 03/06/2006 8:47:06 AM PST by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
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To: narby

Posted here...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1590823/posts


5 posted on 03/06/2006 8:47:51 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: orionblamblam
OH, man. I did a scan too.

I think I searched for "space". Dummy.

6 posted on 03/06/2006 8:48:40 AM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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I see no advantage in having a crew.

There is nothing they can do that couldn't be done remotely, and the environmental/life-support systems would only add weight and take up valuable space.


7 posted on 03/06/2006 8:49:12 AM PST by SteveMcKing
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THE SPACEPLANE'S SMALL CARGO or "Q-bay" also could be configured to deliver specialized microsatellites to low Earth orbit or, perhaps, be fitted with no-warhead hypervelocity weapons--what military visionaries have called "rods from god." Launched from the fringes of space, these high-Mach weapons could destroy deeply buried bunkers and weapons facilities

Something we could use on Iran, maybe?

8 posted on 03/06/2006 8:49:39 AM PST by airborne
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I have a hunch that this might form part of our missile defense program; the US has talked before about actually shooting down ballistic missiles in space.


9 posted on 03/06/2006 8:50:57 AM PST by justinellis329
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To: narby
White Knight in ascent with SpaceShipOne
10 posted on 03/06/2006 8:52:40 AM PST by Echo Talon
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Something we could use on Iran, maybe?

AWST works pretty tight with the feds. I don't think they publish stuff unless they've been given a green light. It wouldn't surprise me that this is a little warning to Teran, which would'nt know about this kind of stuff like I'm sure the Russians and Chinese already do.

11 posted on 03/06/2006 8:52:59 AM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: justinellis329

Maybe...

The other detriment to having pilots is the artificial performace limits that would need to be set in order to avoid hazardous G-forces.


12 posted on 03/06/2006 8:56:06 AM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: Paleo Conservative

Aerospace ping


13 posted on 03/06/2006 8:59:06 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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The other detriment to having pilots is the artificial performace limits that would need to be set in order to avoid hazardous G-forces.

What do you have against humans in space?

Granted, for a military mission they're not necessary. But the cool thing about this is that we apparently have a method of getting humans in space that could probably be flown every day or two. Amortize the costs of getting into space when you can re-fly the same vehicle with just a fuel top-off every day or two and you see that this kind of thing would be extreemly useful.

Probably needs to be a tad larger to haul at least some cargo, but other than that I think this is the way to get humans into space, not Apollo V2.0. Let the big dumb rockets haul unmanned missions and this kind of stuff for crew transfer.

14 posted on 03/06/2006 9:03:01 AM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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> AWST works pretty tight with the feds. I don't think they
> publish stuff unless they've been given a green light.

Not necessarily.
Someone went to jail after AWST ran the sat photos
of the Russian aircraft carrier many years ago.

Yes, it was leaked by someone with classified access,
but it wasn't authorized.


15 posted on 03/06/2006 9:06:43 AM PST by Boundless
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My guess is that technology overtook any real mission for Blackstar. You only have to look at the dramatic changes in the past six years...and realize that Blackstar was built in the late 1980s...with mostly 80's technology. It was probably state-of-the-art in 1995...but 10 years have passed...and it just isn't fitting into today's mission.


16 posted on 03/06/2006 9:10:22 AM PST by pepsionice
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"Now the question is why did they shut it down?"

Because they've got something better. Either that or it's dis-info to make people THINK they're not using it anymore.


17 posted on 03/06/2006 9:16:04 AM PST by dljordan
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"Two people could pick them up; they were very light"

I'll vouch for this: when I worked on the X-30 National Aerospace Plane from 1988-1996, I went to General Dynamics and was given a 6-inch section of the Shuttle leading edge of the wing. It was so heavy, I could barely hold it with one hand. Then the manager there gave me a section, same size, of the new carbon-carbon composites, and it was light as a feather.

18 posted on 03/06/2006 9:23:35 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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> I went to General Dynamics and was given a 6-inch section of the Shuttle leading edge of the wing. It was so heavy, I could barely hold it with one hand. Then the manager there gave me a section, same size, of the new carbon-carbon composites, and it was light as a feather.

Huh? The leading edge of the shuttle wing has *always* been a thin CC shell structure.


19 posted on 03/06/2006 9:39:08 AM PST by orionblamblam (A furore Normannorum libra nos, Domine)
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He told me it was from the leading edge of the wing and it was incredibly heavy, as opposed to the same section of carbon-carbon for NASP. That's all I know. Define it as you wish.


20 posted on 03/06/2006 9:40:55 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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