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Ban on wire transfers by illegals proposed
WorldNetDaily ^ | 03/06/2006 | James Lambert

Posted on 03/06/2006 1:12:39 PM PST by Impeach98

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INVASION USA

Ban on wire transfers by illegals proposed
Supporters believe it will remove major incentive for crossing border

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Posted: March 6, 2006 2:32 p.m. Eastern

James L. Lambert © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

A Republican candidate for a vacated congressional seat in southern California is proposing a ban on wire transfers by illegal aliens from the U.S. to Mexico.

The plan "will remove a major incentive for illegal immigration and increase national security," said Howard Kaloogian, a well-known California activist who launched the effort to recall Gov. Gray Davis.

Kaloogian is the front-runner for the San Diego-area congressional seat held by Republican Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, who was sentenced last week to eight years in prison on corruption charges.


Howard Kaloogian

"[T]he Mexican government is making billions of dollars every year from illegal aliens who enter the U.S. illegally and then wire that money back to their families in Mexico," Kaloogian said Saturday at a news conference at the border.

The economy, he contended, bears the cost of illegal aliens, who pay no taxes but receive taxpayer-funded services.

"It's absurd that we continue to allow those who have broken the law by entering this nation illegally to then enjoy the benefit of collecting wages illegally and then sending those funds to a foreign nation," Kaloogian said.


Howard Kaloogian at the Mexican border Saturday.

The proposal, if adopted by Congress, would require anyone wiring money to Mexico to provide identification to financial institutions or wire-transfer operators to prove citizenship.

An estimated $15 to $20 billion is moved annually from the U.S. to Mexico through private-party wire transfers. Howard Kaloogian at Mexican border Saturday

Kaloogian said past legislative proposals involving transfers by illegal aliens merely have imposed an extra fee.

The new proposal, he argued, "will establish leverage with foreign leaders such as Mexico's Vicente Fox who has sent a wink and a nod to their citizens to enter the United States illegally, collect wages that ad up to 10 times those paid in Mexico and then send those funds back to Mexico."

Claudia Garcia de Spencer, spokeswoman for the San Diego chapter of the Minutemen volunteer border patrol, spoke at the news conference in support of the proposal.

"Four and a half years after 9-11, our federal and state officials still refuse to confront threats allowing our borders to be breached thousands of times each day by foreigners," she said. "As a new citizen who followed the procedures and obeyed the rules, this (illegal immigration) is a shocking affront to me and is a slap in the face to all loyal Americans."

Kaloogian was a California state assemblyman from 1994 to 2000. He helped launch the pro-troops organization Move America Forward. His candidacy has received a variety of endorsements, including support from Focus on the Family founder James Dobson and former presidential candidate Steve Forbes, publisher of Forbes magazine.

A special election for Cunningham's congressional seat is scheduled April 11. If no candidate receives a 50 percent majority, run-off will take place between the expected Democrat candidate Carolyn [sic] Busby and the top Republican vote-getter.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderpatrol; california; cambios; congress; cunningham; feelgoodproposal; immigrantlist; immigration; kaloogian; mexico; minuteman; minutemen; republicrat; sandiego; transfer; wire
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To: mlc9852

???


41 posted on 03/06/2006 1:36:11 PM PST by The SISU kid (I have seen the future (but I signed a nondisclosure))
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
I understand your sarcasm, but again, while there is the sometimes-seen "hey, Mister, will you buy me a 6-pack of beer" there is not a major network of businesses of adults buying cigarettes and tobacco for minors.

You expect there to be a strong financial mob of hush hush money transfer third parties to spring up? Sure, there might be some, but it will be the exception not the rule. Western Union won't be opening up a subsidiary in the Yellow Pages advertising "we'll match you up with a U.S. citizen to wire money for you and all your illegal alien friends! Se Habla Espanol!"

42 posted on 03/06/2006 1:36:33 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: MineralMan

"Shocking, isn't it? [grin]"

It's becoming less so.:)


43 posted on 03/06/2006 1:36:37 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

"Sometimes, I wonder whether a proposed measure to curb illegal immigration is actually intended to curb illegal immigration, or to provide less-than-honest folks a way to make money off of illegal immigration. "


Hmm...or just stupidity. I think that putting out some effort at the borders to stop entry, along with deporting every illegal that shows up wherever they show up would work a lot better than this piddly messing around with wire transfers. But, hey, what do I know?


44 posted on 03/06/2006 1:36:47 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Impeach98

Why not a ban on illegals?


45 posted on 03/06/2006 1:37:05 PM PST by KoRn
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To: mlc9852

The owners are NOT free to sell someone else. They face fines, penalties and can be shut down and lose their license for repeated offenses.


46 posted on 03/06/2006 1:37:12 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: The SISU kid

" Because when George goes to pay his gardener, his maid, the guy he hired on the street to pour cement for his back patio"

That accounts for 3 illegals - what about the rest of them?


47 posted on 03/06/2006 1:37:38 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Impeach98
You may be onto something. Vincente might decide to play illegal immigration ball after all. My head hurts just trying to think about all of the ramifications.
48 posted on 03/06/2006 1:37:45 PM PST by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: Impeach98

Maybe but it doesn't happen here. Just the clerks are charged. I've seen it happen several times.


49 posted on 03/06/2006 1:38:21 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Impeach98

STUPID!

How the heck do you prove the transferee is an illegal? Or are we going to ASSUME the transfer is illegal until you produce your Birth Certificate, Passport, etc.?


50 posted on 03/06/2006 1:38:43 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Impeach98

Tax these transfers, and tax them heavily.


51 posted on 03/06/2006 1:39:08 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: mlc9852
Try this Google and read about the stores that lose their license to sell alcohol for breaking the law. No money transfer place will want this to happen:

Google: Lose License for selling alcohol to minors.

52 posted on 03/06/2006 1:39:19 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: mlc9852

I think the key point is there is no silver bullet for ending illegal immigration.

A lot of the different proposals have to be enacted, from a real barrier fence, to more employer sanctions, to a realistic guest worker program, to ideas making it harder to benefit from illegal immigration -- such as denying driver licenses and prohibiting wire transfers.

It all helps. And we need all the help we can get.


53 posted on 03/06/2006 1:39:21 PM PST by RWGuy
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54 posted on 03/06/2006 1:39:37 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Little Ray

You produce your drivers license, VISA, passport, etc... just like you have to have ID to cash a check at a bank.


55 posted on 03/06/2006 1:40:09 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Little Ray

Look in your wallet. My guess is that you have a drivers license. Not that tough. You probably have even used it to cash a check.


56 posted on 03/06/2006 1:40:24 PM PST by RWGuy
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To: Mamzelle

You can't tax them. Three states have proposed that (Georgia passed them). You then legitimize illegal immigration forever and governments have an incentive NOT to secure the border.


57 posted on 03/06/2006 1:40:48 PM PST by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98
Illegal aliens can still open bank accounts at many banks by using a Matricula Consular card as identification.

Banning illegal aliens from wiring money would likely just change how they send money back home.

I'm also curious how they would expect the wire companies to verify that their customers are in the country legally.

This might be possible once States start requiring that people prove they are in the country legally before getting a drivers license, but until that happens, it's going to be very difficult for a wire transfer company to enforce this.

I would support legislation that would require a drivers license that conforms with the Real Id Act to send wire transfers or open a bank account, but until the Real Id Act really goes into effect, I'm not sure this is really practical to enforce.

I like the idea in general, I'm just not sure it can be implemented yet.

58 posted on 03/06/2006 1:40:51 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Impeach98

How bout we make it illegal to give them money in the first place? Oh yeah it already is. Ok how about we enforce the laws. The only way they will go or (at least fewer will come) is if there is no money for them here in the first place..


59 posted on 03/06/2006 1:41:44 PM PST by jjw
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To: Impeach98
You don't legitimize illegals by taxing their transfers any more than you'd legitimize by taxing their groceries--

This is not an income tax.

60 posted on 03/06/2006 1:42:24 PM PST by Mamzelle
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