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The cult of the mean girl
TORONTO STAR ^ | Mar. 5, 2006 | LESLIE SCRIVENER

Posted on 03/06/2006 9:51:00 PM PST by tbird5

It happens to the best of women. Here's Rosalind Wiseman, who has spent her entire working life teaching girls to treat each other decently. The script for the movie Mean Girls was based on her 2002 best-selling Queen Bees & Wannabes, a book that helps parents understand the drama and danger in the adolescent girl world. She knows the minefields that lie in gossip, jealousy, disloyalty and cruel judgments, and offers solid prescriptions for changing bad behaviour.

Yet despite her experience, she recently found herself sizing up two mothers who came to see her.

In her view, the women paid too much attention to their appearance, especially their hair. They seemed catty in their conversation, were micromanaging their kids' lives, and were silly.

"All these things came into my head. Why? They are antithetical to what I teach and believe," Wiseman says. "I was still judging these women."

Where does this nastiness come from?

Wiseman thinks it exists because it's supposed to exist. Being nasty to each other is one of the unspoken rules about how girls and women are supposed to behave; one of the rigidly enforced North American standards of what constitutes femininity.

"It's everything you know but haven't been sat down and taught," as Wiseman puts it.

When she judged the two women so harshly, it was as if she was acting out one of the observations she made in her book — that girls and women can be their own worst enemies.

(Excerpt) Read more at thestar.com ...


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KEYWORDS: psychology
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To: chris1

I am hoping they have it in Ac again soon, I want to go to see it live.


201 posted on 03/07/2006 12:55:02 PM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: conservativebabe

I think dieting makes you mean - maybe that's why the mean girls are mean.

I agree about Kate Winslet, et al.

Giant Boobs on a stick figure look ridiculous - but it seems that's what "they" want these days. Que Sera.


202 posted on 03/07/2006 12:56:22 PM PST by Dashing Dasher ( I prayed, 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.)
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To: tiki
I'm a woman, I've been subjected to it and if you haven't you've lived in a cave. Just think "cheerleaders". I was "allowed" to be friends with them because I was cute and dressed well and I knew how to draw the guys. I found other friends because I couldn't stand the way they treated others.

I have also been on the other side and as I grew up I matured enough to be ashamed of myself. I think most of it is about competition.

Well, of course I've been subjected to it. All of my life. I still get that attitude from women.

I just learned to get over it a long time ago. I laugh at it. I have enough decent "real" men in my life that I don't need to worry about it.

For me, laughing at it is the best solution. Maybe something else would work for you. I don't know; I really don't know you.

And as for living in a cave...no. Not exactly. I've been living in Baghdad for over two years doing something I love. But, nice guess. ;-)

203 posted on 03/07/2006 12:56:39 PM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: conservativebabe
There, is this better?


204 posted on 03/07/2006 12:56:59 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: conservativebabe

My GF says there are three types of people who like her body-style:

African Americans, Puerto Ricans, and me.

She is very curvy which to me is perfect. I told her I am gone the minute she becomes skinny.

Its just nasty and I don't understand guys who likethese wafey chicks. Yuck.


205 posted on 03/07/2006 12:58:17 PM PST by chris1
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To: conservativebabe

Excellent!

My friend and I went to the Cezane exhibit this weekend and noticed the same thing. We decided we were Cezane-esque...which is MUCH better than being a lollipop.


206 posted on 03/07/2006 12:59:38 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (pcottraux says I'm special!)
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To: Calpernia
OK, now I don't even know what you're talking about. And it's very late where I am and I've had three tall beers. I'M then one who should be typing vague posts, not you.

Are you requesting to be put on my small list of people whom I find socially unacceptable and do not wish to associate ?

Please clarify.

207 posted on 03/07/2006 12:59:58 PM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Hoodlum91

I agree!


208 posted on 03/07/2006 1:01:27 PM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: HamiltonJay

I agree. Women create civilisation by civilising the next generation. Somehow the feminists have convinced too many women that the job they have been doing for millenia ain't that important--that the only important jobs are what men do.

And civilisation comes crashing down as the result of a mass inferiority complex.


209 posted on 03/07/2006 1:04:26 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: peacebaby
Allegra, sharpen those nails...I'm sharpening my wit.

I think there are some people here who don't get the "sharp wit" thing. But, what the heck...they're more amusing than the media, aren't they?

Some people just take themselves so seriously. They need a little laughing at.

Sharpen that wit and get 'em, girl! I'm getting verrrrry sleepy...

210 posted on 03/07/2006 1:05:34 PM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Calpernia
I couldn't help but notice I was not the only one that couldn't tell if you were serious or not in that comment you made to Clemenza.

The person who said that is a friend with whom I correspond frequently on here.

I'm afraid our banter went....shall we say...over your head.

211 posted on 03/07/2006 1:07:50 PM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Calpernia

LOL! Okay, there are other extremes as well.


212 posted on 03/07/2006 1:07:52 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: Calpernia

Just flip your hair back and don't worry about it . . . :-)


213 posted on 03/07/2006 1:08:29 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: conservativebabe

;)


214 posted on 03/07/2006 1:09:29 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Dashing Dasher

Right, and that's the point. Women are forking over thousands of dollars for Trim-Spa, lipo-suction and all that crap, in order to feel acceptable to society. Diet after diet after diet, trying to find the miracle.


215 posted on 03/07/2006 1:09:34 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: RockinRight; Dashing Dasher; Calpernia
I like strong women. I don't like mean, heartless ones.

And I think you know which of those category listings I fall into on your post #74, don't you, dah-ling? ;-)

(I don't even get people who take things too seriously.)

216 posted on 03/07/2006 1:11:02 PM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Clemenza

"...I replied that she could shove her comments up her fat a-s."

I see that you and I must see the same career counselor.

LOL.


217 posted on 03/07/2006 1:11:34 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: wagglebee

'Hair has been flipped'

And I'm off to tenderize some pork chops in honor of Moe :)

218 posted on 03/07/2006 1:11:49 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Allegra

Strong, of course!


219 posted on 03/07/2006 1:13:10 PM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: conservativebabe

The women depicted in magazines today are becoming more and more computer generated. You can send me a picture of anyone, and I can make them 20 years younger and 20 pounds thinner with my computer (don't send them all at once). In fact, I could in time, make them perfect, visually.

Pop culture degrades women, by making them into objects of only visual and sexual pleasure. And many women, young women in particular, have bought into it. Hence, the rise of eating disorders among young women.

The fact is, that it was for rather ordinary looking women, with extraordinary character - who were the heart and center around which the lives of men revolved - that men founded, built and are this day defending this country for.


220 posted on 03/07/2006 1:14:32 PM PST by Search4Truth (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson.)
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