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The cult of the mean girl
TORONTO STAR ^ | Mar. 5, 2006 | LESLIE SCRIVENER

Posted on 03/06/2006 9:51:00 PM PST by tbird5

It happens to the best of women. Here's Rosalind Wiseman, who has spent her entire working life teaching girls to treat each other decently. The script for the movie Mean Girls was based on her 2002 best-selling Queen Bees & Wannabes, a book that helps parents understand the drama and danger in the adolescent girl world. She knows the minefields that lie in gossip, jealousy, disloyalty and cruel judgments, and offers solid prescriptions for changing bad behaviour.

Yet despite her experience, she recently found herself sizing up two mothers who came to see her.

In her view, the women paid too much attention to their appearance, especially their hair. They seemed catty in their conversation, were micromanaging their kids' lives, and were silly.

"All these things came into my head. Why? They are antithetical to what I teach and believe," Wiseman says. "I was still judging these women."

Where does this nastiness come from?

Wiseman thinks it exists because it's supposed to exist. Being nasty to each other is one of the unspoken rules about how girls and women are supposed to behave; one of the rigidly enforced North American standards of what constitutes femininity.

"It's everything you know but haven't been sat down and taught," as Wiseman puts it.

When she judged the two women so harshly, it was as if she was acting out one of the observations she made in her book — that girls and women can be their own worst enemies.

(Excerpt) Read more at thestar.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: psychology
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To: handk; Dashing Dasher; Millee; Chanticleer; Jersey Republican Biker Chick; Auntbee; najida; ...

"Women from Central America, South America, Asia, Eastern Europe are just wonderful. ... LOL. American women suck."


I think there are a few men who will disagree with you, my dear.


241 posted on 03/07/2006 1:29:35 PM PST by peacebaby
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To: Allegra
I agree about the sweeping generalizations. My wife is a sweetie to work for, but she says some women are b!tches.

Same is true of guys. If anything high achieving women would be more likely to be feminists.

242 posted on 03/07/2006 1:29:42 PM PST by gogeo
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To: peacebaby
Sorry - meant to include you in my post #240...

'Night!

243 posted on 03/07/2006 1:29:47 PM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Allegra; Calpernia
Whoa, whoa, hon: believe me, you & Cal would be best buds if you ever met.

Not sure how y'all went sideways, but I can't bear to see you two fight, two of my fave girlfriends!

244 posted on 03/07/2006 1:29:54 PM PST by txhurl
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To: RockinRight

I understand we are supposed to smooch you for your comment!


245 posted on 03/07/2006 1:31:04 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (pcottraux says I'm special!)
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To: najida
No comment, other than women use words better than men and we know it ;)

That's true, and women seem to take conflict better than men.

246 posted on 03/07/2006 1:31:08 PM PST by gogeo
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To: RockinRight
Heeheehee....I just left handk's post in the hands of some real good ones. LOL
247 posted on 03/07/2006 1:31:24 PM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: handk

Oh boy,

You are gonna get it now ;)


248 posted on 03/07/2006 1:31:38 PM PST by najida (Me arguing for logic and against emotion is like Mother Teresa becoming a pole dancer.)
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To: Hoodlum91

Yes...I'm waiting!


249 posted on 03/07/2006 1:31:42 PM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: tbird5
As usual, Kipling knows best

When the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail,
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When Nag, the wayside cobra, hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can,
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail -
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws -
'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale -
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husband, each confirms the others tale -
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man, a bear in most relations, worm and savage otherwise,
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise;
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger; Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue - to the scandal of the Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same,
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity - must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions - not in these her honor dwells -
She, the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else!

She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate;
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

She is wedded to convictions - in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him, who denies!
He will meet no cool discussion, but the instant, white-hot wild
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

Unprovoked and awful charges - even so the she-bear fights;
Speech that drips, corrodes and poisons - even so the cobra bites;
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw,
And the victim writhes with anguish - like the Jesuit with the squaw!

So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of abstract justice - which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern; shall enthrall but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him and Her instincts never fail,
That the female of Her species is more deadly than the male!

250 posted on 03/07/2006 1:32:12 PM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: Allegra

you're sweet and brave.

goodnight.


251 posted on 03/07/2006 1:32:16 PM PST by peacebaby
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To: peacebaby; handk

I disagree with Handk, there is no need to go get an undereducated subservient foreign woman.

American women come from all over the world and are of all ancestries, and come in all "flavors".

If you can't find what you re looking for here, it maybe a good time for a little introspection.


252 posted on 03/07/2006 1:32:34 PM PST by Toby06
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To: JillValentine

Heh, I like your version much better!


253 posted on 03/07/2006 1:32:39 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: peacebaby; Allegra

I am very tempted re 234....but I don't think he's worth the effort!


254 posted on 03/07/2006 1:32:56 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (pcottraux says I'm special!)
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To: Xenalyte

I lub you too Xena darlin' :)


255 posted on 03/07/2006 1:33:06 PM PST by najida (Me arguing for logic and against emotion is like Mother Teresa becoming a pole dancer.)
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To: txflake; Calpernia
Whoa, whoa, hon: believe me, you & Cal would be best buds if you ever met.

At this point, that'll take some convincing. LOL

(Check the thread and see who threw down the gauntlet.)

Take care. I've gotta get some sleep! 'Night!

256 posted on 03/07/2006 1:33:54 PM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: najida; peacebaby

Can't handle the women who are not raised to be subservient, no doubt.


257 posted on 03/07/2006 1:33:56 PM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: feinswinesuksass
If you answered YES to all of the above, then Heartless Bitches International wants YOU. Heartless Bitches is now recruiting!

...or...you're a man.

258 posted on 03/07/2006 1:34:18 PM PST by gogeo
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To: Toby06
Give me a conservative, strong, funny, South Park Republican Girl Next Door type over a "me-love-you-long-time" foreign chick any day!

Just for the record, I have NOTHING against men who have married foreign women or women who have married foreign men. I'm just talking about jerk-offs like handk who blanket all American women as if they're all like Maureen Dowd.

259 posted on 03/07/2006 1:34:24 PM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: Hoodlum91; handk

I agree, Handk isn't worth alot of effort...I'm not breaking a sweat.


260 posted on 03/07/2006 1:34:30 PM PST by peacebaby
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