Posted on 03/07/2006 8:05:38 AM PST by Sopater
No. Criminals do not give up their rights. In effect, you're saying that when someone is "accused" of a crime, then they lose their rights. They can be beat up. Witnesses can be paid and bribed, etc.
The Constitution has worked for as long as it has because there are some out there who actually follow it. Don't let your justice zeal get the best of you.
parsy, the smart.
I don't know the case, and the burden of proof needed to convict in a American court but if this true, why did they need to make back door deals with informers on the inside.
Yes, criminals do give up their rights. I didn't say that "accused" criminals don't have rights prior to conviction that must be observed, but when a guy does something like rape and kill a little girl, where does he get the nerve to come back later, after his conviction, and say "They said mean things about me and made everyone hate me". Please...
Hang the dude, and prosecute all involved in the irregularites that occured during the trial. This includes the DA, police, jail staff, and the prisoners who gave untrue testimony. The guy is guilty, and those involved in the prosocutorial misconduct could have allowed him to go free.
He went through due-process, which means he has lost many of his rights.
This is just another delay tactic.
It took him (his lawyers) 15 years to come up with this excuse.
Girl would say rights violated during murder.
Why should we bend over backwards for these guys who rape and murder?
Reminds me of all the liberals complaining about Gitmo. Why should we serve gormet meals and provide full trials to terrorists when all it is doing is giving them a chance to weasel out of it?
Attorneys contracted to do defense work are way underpaid. The quality is horrible.
You think the prosecutor is going to tell the defense that they were paying some of the inmate witnesses or giving them other favors, even if they are required to do so?
Here's a crime and punishment ping for you.
Let me see if I have this right. You believe that people were bribed to testify against guy, a man convicted of the murder of a 12 year old, because he says it happened. His lawyer, who's job it is to muddy the waters to avoid execution for his client say so?
Forget the fact that the prosecutors office, police who were involved, prison officials etc ALL say it never happened?
Yep, that is a world I want to live in where the word of a child murderer is more accepted than the word of everyone in the justice system.
Where do you see this in the article?
The prosecutor said it was baseless, but was he referring to payments to inmates for testimony, or the overall defense argument?
The only way the defense would bring up the payment to prisoner witnesses is if they were later deposed by the defense.
There is nothing in the article that denies those payments or favors. You think a prosecutor wouldn't lie about this? If so, are you ever naive.
Have you not been reading about all the cases where DNA evidence has exonerated a number of people convicted of crimes they didn't commit?
I didn't say I accepted the word of the alleged criminal. I simply take the position that there is evidence that the prosecutor denied the constitutional rights of the accused. Nothing more; nothing less.
In the state of Washington, there is no evidence that should lead a citizen to believe a large number of people in the judicial system wouldn't lie.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
They said mean things about me. . .
If what the prosecutor says unnecessarily prejudices the jury, then rights have been violated.
Suppose that you have been caught selling whiskey on Sunday. A prosecutor has the right to tell the jury what you did. A prosecutor doesn't have the right to make the following speech:
And this Defendant. This miserable peice of humanity who violates the very laws of man and god. Think of Jesus who hung there bleeding and dying on that cross with these huge railroad spikes thru his hands and feet. This innocent man who died for us, this Defendant profanes his very death by selling cheap, rotgut liquor on Sunday. A day when families should be together in church and gathering around the table to eat fried chicken. Ladies and genetlemen of the jury, give this miserable piece of crap what he deserves.
The same thing is true for focusing on things like "bitch". Too much of this and you make a lynch mob, not a jury.
parsy, who understands the law.
Cops are some of the worst liars that there are. Too often, they think it is their job to put someone away, not tell the truth. Do a search on "testilying" and see what you come up with.
parsy, who knows.
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