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who's behind deadly anthrax letters from 2001? (CNN tonight)
CNN ^ | 3/8/06 | Anderson Cooper

Posted on 03/08/2006 6:43:52 AM PST by TrebleRebel

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/

Wednesday's show

A new and mysterious case of anthrax. How did it happen? Plus, who's behind deadly anthrax letters from 2001? Tune in at 10 p.m. ET.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare
KEYWORDS: 2001; anthrax
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1 posted on 03/08/2006 6:43:53 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: Shermy; jpl; allen; Mitchell

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2 posted on 03/08/2006 6:44:19 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel

Any guesses or is the answer known?


3 posted on 03/08/2006 6:45:16 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (You want my address? You can't handle my address!)
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To: TrebleRebel

Is this 'mysterious' case of anthrax the same one from a week or two ago where a drum maker got it from animal hides imported from Africa? That's just plain natural bad luck and didn't involve any human intentions.

I wonder if this is show is about something new, or if CNN is just trying to beat a dead horse to get some more fear factor out of the uninformed?


4 posted on 03/08/2006 6:49:35 AM PST by Sax
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To: TrebleRebel


Al Gore...who was a very, very, sore loser.


5 posted on 03/08/2006 6:52:21 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: TrebleRebel

9/11 Hijacker sought treatment for red hands (anthrax).
October 11, 2001. Palm Beach Post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/546116/posts

Tabloid Editor rented apartment to two 9/11 hijackers. The tabloid lost a worker to anthrax.
October 15, 2001. Miami Herald.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/548061/posts

Hijackers linked to anthrax.
October 15, 2001. St. Petersburg Times.
http://www.sptimes.com/News/101501/Worldandnation/Hijackers_linked_to_t.shtml

9/11 Hijackers treated for anthrax.
March 23, 2002. The New York Times.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/652000/posts

Remember Anthrax?
April 20, 2002. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/669487/posts
9/24/01. ABC.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/531023/posts

Hijacker treated for anthrax.
May 9, 2002. The Wall Street Journal.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/682921/posts

Atta tried to buy a cropduster.
June 6, 2002. ABC.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/695924/posts

Analysis of anthrax letters.
June 19, 2002. Instapundit.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/703075/posts?page=44#44

Freeper My Identity research on anthrax letters. Post #44.
6/20/02.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/703075/posts?page=44#44

The silica used in the anthrax attacks traced to Iraq.
October 28, 2002. The Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A28334-2002Oct27&notFound=true

Freeper Backhoe's list of links.
February 2, 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838309/posts

Freeper polemikos list of links to investigations regarding anthrax.
December 26, 2003.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1047022/posts

Evidence Iraq behind anthrax attacks.
January 1, 2004. Accuracy in Media
http://www.aim.org/publications/media_monitor/2004/01/01.html

Saddam behind anthrax attacks and 9/11 attacks.
Independent website.
http://www.spiritoftruth.org/iraqlinks.htm

9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta stayed at the same motel as the Oklahoma City Bombers.
http://www.marsearthconnection.com/okc.html




6 posted on 03/08/2006 6:55:57 AM PST by Peach
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To: K4Harty

Did they figure out what state the anthrax came from?


7 posted on 03/08/2006 6:58:00 AM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: pbrown; TrebleRebel
ask treblerebel, I'm clueless on this topic and posted for a clif-note from someone. :o)

ping

8 posted on 03/08/2006 7:02:57 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing)
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To: K4Harty

Ok, thanks.


9 posted on 03/08/2006 7:16:10 AM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: TrebleRebel

Scott Peterson?


10 posted on 03/08/2006 7:21:18 AM PST by Moleman
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To: Moleman

There is hundreds of $millions$ to be made in the Anthrax vaccine market...The Clinton Administration awarded a no-bid $150 million contract for military Anthrax Vaccines during the late 90's. Since they can't seem to trace this back to terrorism, I sometimes wonder if the mailings were a way to drum up business.


11 posted on 03/08/2006 7:37:42 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Allan; Battle Axe

Ping.


12 posted on 03/08/2006 7:40:23 AM PST by Mitchell
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To: pbrown

The genetic fingerprint of the anthrax indicated it was created by USAMIIRD in Fort Detrick.


13 posted on 03/08/2006 7:46:06 AM PST by Serendipitous
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To: Serendipitous
The genetic fingerprint of the anthrax indicated it was created by USAMIIRD in Fort Detrick.

That's it, thanks. I've been racking my brain trying to remember. Thanks again.

14 posted on 03/08/2006 7:56:53 AM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: TrebleRebel

bump


15 posted on 03/08/2006 9:06:57 AM PST by malia (malia)
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To: Mitchell

According to Bill Tierney
who translated the Saddam tapes
recently released
it was done by Hatfill
acting as an agent for Saddam.

Interesting theory.
Maybe someone should tell TGS about it.


16 posted on 03/08/2006 10:12:05 AM PST by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: pbrown
Don't believe the bogus left wing media spin that the anthrax had to have been taken from USAMRIID at Ft. Detrick, and that therefore the perp had to be someone with a direct connection to that lab, because it just isn't true at all.

It is true that that strain of anthrax was originally held at that lab many years ago, but what the media really doesn't want people to know is that it was legally given to a whole bunch of other labs, including one in Canada and one in Great Britain! And the UK lab was actually under PRIVATE control for quite some time, with little or no British government oversight. And the guy controlling that lab was a businessman from Saudi Arabia who is the CEO of Bioport. And that's the same Saudi Arabia where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from.

Anyone trying to put out the line that the anthrax perp had to be a "domestic" is either misinformed, or more likely, deliberately putting out misinformation.

17 posted on 03/08/2006 11:03:37 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: jpl
I read an article a few weeks ago about a company here in the states that bought the company that produces(I believe produces) the anthrax. I remember one of the owners was of Lebanese heritage. I cleaned out my history on my PC and lost the story about a week ago. I've been trying to remember exactly how I stumbled across it.

Ft.Detrick wasn't them. It was a private owned firm.

18 posted on 03/08/2006 11:10:22 AM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: TrebleRebel

coming up at 10PM.


19 posted on 03/08/2006 6:43:21 PM PST by oceanview
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To: TrebleRebel; Allan; Shermy; oceanview; Battle Axe; jpl

I missed the show. If anybody saw it, what did Anderson Cooper have to say? The transcript on-line at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0603/08/acd.01.html shows a teaser on anthrax but no content.


20 posted on 03/08/2006 11:16:36 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Allan
According to Bill Tierney
who translated the Saddam tapes
recently released
it was done by Hatfill
acting as an agent for Saddam.

Interesting theory.
Maybe someone should tell TGS about it.

It seems this Tierney has disavowed this position. See the letter Tierney wrote to National Review Online, http://corner.nationalreview.com/06_02_19_corner-archive.asp#090361, responding to Byron York's article:

"The other major error in your piece was the contention I stated that Saddam Hussein used Stephen [sic] Hatfill to do their dirty work. If you had been listening more closely, you would have heard me say they could have their proxies send the anthrax letters, then point the finger at a former associate of Fort Detrick, such as Mr. Hatfill. I maintain that Mr. Hatfill was innocence based on examination of his public statements and the paucity of reliable evidence. You should really check the CSPAN tape before you commit your errors to print."

As far as I can tell, he has gone back and forth on the question of Hatfill's role, if any, in response to oral questions, but these seem to be just brief answers in passing. The written statement above would seem to be a definitive presentation of his view.

By the way, since you mentioned it, Tierney's position on this isn't too far from TGS's position.

21 posted on 03/08/2006 11:42:52 PM PST by Mitchell
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I meant:

It seems that Tierney has disavowed this position....

22 posted on 03/08/2006 11:44:17 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell

I saw a video interview with Tierney on the net.
From the way he worded it
it certainly seemed he said
Saddam was using Hatfill as a proxy
NOT that Saddam was using Hatfill as a fall-guy.
But perhaps he just was careless
in the way he worded it.
He certainly did not make it clear
that there was some 3rd person who was the proxy
as he does in the clarification you quoted.

At any rate
I was
on the whole
unimpressed with Tierney
who seems to support conspiracy theories
left and right.

But he seems to know Arabic well
and that is impressive.

Anyway
Hatfill was neither proxy
nor Saddam's fall guy
since Saddam did not have biological WMDs.
That at least is abundantly clear.


23 posted on 03/09/2006 1:52:25 AM PST by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Mitchell

The Cooper piece was almost breathtakingly awful. They had a "no comment" from the FBI on the status of the investigation and an interview with Marilyn Thompson who poured out some irrelevant verbage on DNA analysis.
There's some interesting new comments and links at the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attack

under "Controversy over coatings and additives" which partly reveals what the team of recruited scientific advisors are really focussing on. It's 5 years too late, but at least they're headed in the right direction.


24 posted on 03/09/2006 4:40:30 AM PST by TrebleRebel
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To: Sax

ping


25 posted on 03/09/2006 4:43:59 AM PST by southland (Nietzsche said God was dead- he lied!)
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To: Sax

ping


26 posted on 03/09/2006 5:33:57 AM PST by southland (Nietzsche said God was dead- he lied!)
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To: southland

So it seems they really didn't have anything to say, just speculation. Just using the word 'antrhrax' to entice viewers - figured that much. MSM continues to degrade its integrity and relevance with it's fear mongering and increasingly frequent tabloid style journalism.


27 posted on 03/09/2006 5:35:48 AM PST by Sax
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To: Mitchell

Is TGS still around? I, for one, miss him.


28 posted on 03/09/2006 5:38:12 AM PST by bonfire
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To: TrebleRebel
The Cooper piece was almost breathtakingly awful.

You aren't kidding. I had a feeling it would be a total waste of time, and in that regard it didn't disappoint.

I do think it's significant though that questions about the status of "Amerithrax" no longer bring the standard old pat response "the investigation is active and ongoing", but now just a simple "no comment".

I think that's as close as we'll ever get to the admission "we have no clue". I noticed that even the ever optimistic Ed Lake doesn't seem nearly as gung-ho about "Amerithrax" these days; he said the other day that it doesn't look as though the case will be solved any time soon.

And to that I say: welcome to the club, Ed!

29 posted on 03/09/2006 6:36:35 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: bonfire
Is TGS still around? I, for one, miss him.

He was banned a while back for posting under multiple accounts. He still has a blog that he updates almost every day though.

I agree with a lot of his basic thesis, though I don't agree that Dr. Hatfill volunteered himself as a phony fall guy. I think he's just an unfortunate victim of a personal vendetta, an incompetent federal government, and a clueless, hateful media.

30 posted on 03/09/2006 8:00:25 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: Peach

Any updates on Dr. Hatfill's suit against the DOJ?


31 posted on 03/09/2006 8:01:38 AM PST by sono (Bill Clinton is looking for 25 interns to work at his library. Now what could go wrong here?)
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To: jpl
OMG CNX simply tried to boost ratings?


I'm Shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
32 posted on 03/09/2006 8:04:39 AM PST by sono (Bill Clinton is looking for 25 interns to work at his library. Now what could go wrong here?)
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To: sono

I haven't heard a word, sono.


33 posted on 03/09/2006 9:06:46 AM PST by Peach
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To: sono
I will give him this: Ed Lake has done a pretty good job of keeping up with events regarding Hatfill, a lot better than most of the so-called mainstream media, who pretty much completely lost interest in him when it became evident that they fingered the wrong guy.

Hatfill v. Ashcroft et al and Hatfill v. Foster, Vanity Fair & Readers Digest both look like they could go to trial late this year in November or December, but there is always the possibility of settlements or further delays.

Hatfill v. The New York Times has been stayed, and the Times has filed an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. I'm not sure when the Court is expected to review that case.

34 posted on 03/09/2006 10:10:51 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: pbrown; Shermy; Peach; Mitchell; cgk
More specifically, it was isolated at College Station Texas and shipped to Iowa State University at Ames, Iowa, actually to the diagnostic lab there, but one of the profs worked at both places.....you get the drift......

In 2001, 5 days after Bob Stevens, the Veterinary school at Ames, Iowa destroyed their entire collection of anthrax in a ceremony. The head of the destruction team was the same guy that was the chair of the dept. in 1990 when I was sitting in class. The woman sitting across the table from me received a package in the mail with her address and but the name of a Pak. She opened the package and thought it contained seeds, but was not sure. One week later she and her husband each had an ugly sore. The physicians said it was a bug or spider bite.

I was the only entomologist she knew so she showed it to me and wanted to know what I thought. It was an ugly sore, black in the middle surrounded on the outermost ring with a bruise. She said it only hurt when she looked at it.

The date was Nov. 29. 1990. This woman lived at 161E and there was a Pak that lived at 116E. At the vet school was another Pak from the same town. Faisalabad!! same place we caught KSM.

I theorize that the vet Pak lifted it and mailed it to his friend so that he would not get caught with it on him.

The receiving Pak never graduated.

I have been interviewed but not much progress that I know of. But I will be the last to know. I have a GOOD FRIEND that handed my notebook to a VERY WELL KNOWN FREEPER and radio talk show host.

I am most hopeful that soon, they will solve it.

The truth is stranger than fiction. And yes, I do have a sample of what it was after she had been on antibiotics for 10 days.....but I know where there is more.
35 posted on 03/09/2006 10:34:06 AM PST by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: Mitchell

nothing, the segment was terrible.


36 posted on 03/09/2006 11:14:55 AM PST by oceanview
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To: jpl

I knew he was banned but wish he were able to get back here. I agreed with alot of what he said also. Even if you didn't agree, you had to admit he was quite smart and had a way with words! :)

If you have his blog, would you PM me with it?


37 posted on 03/09/2006 11:18:34 AM PST by bonfire
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To: Mitchell

To expand a bit more:
the impression I got from the Tierney interview was
that he wanted to indicate Hatfill was acting
on behalf of Saddam
but later
when people pressed him on the point
he chickened out
no doubt aware that otherwise
he could be sued for libel.

Tierney is a loopy character.
At the end of the interview
he broke down in tears.


38 posted on 03/09/2006 1:03:35 PM PST by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Allan; Mitchell

You weren't impressed with Tierney's claim to special knowledge of the "Tikriti dialect" which made only him among the investigators the one who could decipher what was really meant on the tapes???


...Neither was I.


39 posted on 03/09/2006 8:58:54 PM PST by Shermy
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To: TrebleRebel; oceanview

Thanks for the comments on the show. It sounds like the show was just about what I expected.


40 posted on 03/09/2006 10:14:23 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: jpl; bonfire
(bonfire) Is TGS still around? I, for one, miss him.

(jpl) He was banned a while back for posting under multiple accounts.

He just wanted to go out with a bang.

41 posted on 03/09/2006 10:19:01 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Allan
Yes, Tierney seems to be going back and forth on this, as if he's figuring out what will fly, or what positions can be taken without getting himself relegated to tin-hat territory.

How did he justify the claim that Hatfill was a proxy for Saddam? Is there something in the tapes, or was it just random speculation on his part?

Anyway
Hatfill was neither proxy
nor Saddam's fall guy
since Saddam did not have biological WMDs.
That at least is abundantly clear.

As you say, at this point, there really is nothing to suggest that Saddam had biological WMDs. The things that seemed to point in that direction have invariably turned out to be flaky, or unsourced, or extremely doubtful. Some of these things were probably disinformation, and some were probably expressions of genuine, if misguided, conspiratorial belief.

However, it's hard to see how one can reach a conclusion about a possible proxy from that. A proxy could have gotten his anthrax from somewhere other than Saddam but could still have been a hired gun for Saddam. Or someone could be a proxy for someone other than Saddam.

These may not be likely possibilities, of course. We may never find out.

42 posted on 03/09/2006 10:34:10 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: bonfire
Is TGS still around? I, for one, miss him.

TGS - I thought he/she/it was particularly amusing when he said we would never invade Iraq.

43 posted on 03/09/2006 10:42:23 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Mitchell
How did he justify the claim that Hatfill was a proxy for Saddam?

He gave no reasons whatsoever.
He just pulled it out of thin air.
He also rambled on about the Oklahoma City bombing
TWA flight 800, etc
insinuating that all of this was the work of Saddam.

44 posted on 03/09/2006 10:47:00 PM PST by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Mitchell
However, it's hard to see how one can reach a conclusion about a possible proxy from that.

You are right.
Saddam could have hired him to produce and distribute the 'gold standard' anthrax.
Or the Martians could have done it too.

45 posted on 03/09/2006 10:51:11 PM PST by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Allan
Well, that's not what I meant.

Someone who already had access could conceivably have sold out to the highest bidder, for instance. Such a person would probably not have provided production details, thus giving Saddam no long-term WMD capability, just one-shots.

But I don't think this is at all likely.

46 posted on 03/09/2006 10:58:01 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
As you say, at this point, there really is nothing to suggest that Saddam had biological WMDs.

Perhaps we have overestimated the danger
of 'rogue states' and terrorists using biological weapons.
(At least for the time being).

It requires a fair amount of technical sophistication
to produce effective biological weapons.

And these people are not sophisticated.
All they can think about are atomic bombs.
47 posted on 03/09/2006 11:42:11 PM PST by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Allan
His statement about Hatfill was simple speculation. Although he had Saddam in the crosshairs, he had no understanding of what happened with the anthrax from that point on.

Ergo, it is exceedingly misleading to cite the translator as an authoritative source for the presence of Hatfill in the anthrax chain of custody.

48 posted on 03/11/2006 7:30:57 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: jpl
Hatfill was targeted by Barbara Hatch Rosenberg. I keep her on my list of "probable suspects". Hatfill is not on the list.

NOTE: Today I made a cognitive link of interest to many here ~ remember Mohammad Atta approached the Commerce Department's SBA rep in Florida to get a minority loan to buy a crop-duster? (Presumably to spread anthrax spores).

He'd had contact with the same Islamofascist rabble here in Northern Virginia who infested the same mosque where Amil Kansi attended.

He's the terrorist who shot up a bunch of people at the CIA entrance, then fled to Pakistan, then got caught, taken back to Virginia, and then tried, convicted and disposed of.

Anyway, Kansi used to work on taxicab brakes for the taxis driven by the guys in his mosque every holiday or Saturday morning. They did it out in the street IMMEDIATELY ACROSS FROM GILBERT COLON'S HOUSE.

He was, at the time the head of the Minority Business Loan office in the Department of Commerce.

Later on Gilbert went to work for James Riady (SEE: Lippo Group) and was working as bag man to bring in illegal campaign contributions to the Clinton campaign coffers.

Gilbert is presently on the lam fleeing prosecution in this country for all sorts of stuff.

So, how you like them apples: A Puerto Rican American in the pay of an Indonesian billionaire undoubtedly had personal, day to day contact with an AlQaida terrorist who murdered CIA employees.

That individual, in turn, had had contact with Mohammad Atta, who participated directly in the 9/11 attack, as well as others who lived in the same neighborhood and who worked for AlQaida in conducting the 9/11 attack.

I'll have to think about this for a while since I don't know what motive the Riady's would have to carry water for AlQaida or Saddam Hussein by supporting an anthrax attack. On the other hand, the Riady family might well have been involved in the Oil for Food scandals ~ but I have little expertise in tracking that daisy chain. But maybe our link between Saddam Hussein and AlQaida does not involve as many Arabs as we imagine, and instead links through Puerto Ricans and Indonesians.

Somebody might go talk to Jose Padilla about this one. That "dirty bomb" could have simply been an euphemism for "anthrax".

49 posted on 03/11/2006 7:44:35 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: TrebleRebel
So to find out, I have to watch Anderson Cooper?

I'll pass. He's just a younger, blonder Geraldo.

50 posted on 03/11/2006 7:45:47 PM PST by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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