Posted on 03/11/2006 2:56:45 PM PST by Proctor
UN war crimes tribunal denies request for Milosevic autopsy in Moscow
www.chinaview.cn 2006-03-12 05:50:15
BRUSSELS, March 11 (Xinhuanet) -- The U.N. war crimes tribunal said on Saturday it had denied a request by Slobodan Milosevic's lawyer to have the autopsy of the former Yugoslavia president conducted in Moscow instead of The Hague.
A tribunal official also declined to comment on a claim by Milosevic's lawyer that he had been poisoned while in jail.
The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in The Hague on Saturday announced that Milosevic had been found dead on his bed in his cell at the UN detention unit in Scheveningen.
Milosevic, 64, has suffered from high blood pressure and heart problems.
On Feb. 24, the tribunal refused Milosevic's request to be temporarily released to Moscow in order to undergo medical treatment.
In a trial that started on Feb. 12, 2002, Milosevic faced 66 charges of war crimes, including genocide for his role in the Balkan wars following the breakup of the Yugoslav federation in the 1990s. Enditem
This is going to come back to bite them in the @ss. They need to find an independant party to conduct the autopsy.
Milosevic at arraignment in July, 2001:
"I consider this tribunal (a) false tribunal and (the) indictments false indictments. It is illegal, being not appointed by U.N. General Assembly. So I have no need to appoint counsel to (an) illegal organ."
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At the start of his trial in February 2002:
"The prosecution is uttering such horrendous lies, what we have heard here insults the intelligence of this planet ...
"Your bosses broke up Yugoslavia. They pushed Bosnia into a civil war. The Serbs did not start the war. It is nonsensical to accuse the wrong side ...
"I'm not trying to say that some individuals did not do this, but the police and army defended the country courageously and honorably ...
"America crosses the globe to struggle against terrorism in Afghanistan, but to fight terrorism in the heart of your own country is considered to be a crime. Our defense was a heroic defense against the aggression of the NATO pact ...
"You (prosecutors) basically have nothing. You just want to invent things. This is a political trial, and this is nothing to do with the law itself."
LOL. He's not just pinin for the fjords of Norway.
From Milosevic's opening statements in his defense in February 2004:
"Accusations leveled against me are an unscrupulous lie and also a tireless distortion of history. Everything has been presented in a lopsided manner in order to protect those who are truly responsible ...
"They call themselves the international community, but in the territory of Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, they supported a totalitarian chauvinist elite, terrorists, Islamic fundamentalists, neo-Nazis, whose objective was an ethnically pure state. That is to say, a state without any Serbs ...
"In the early 1990s, it was the Serbs who were killed and expelled from Croatia ... It was the Serbs who were being killed and expelled from Kosovo ... Persecution of all non-Albanians (in Kosovo) continues with undiminished fervor, continues until this day."
< /dripping sarcasm>
Bookmarked for future reference. Needless to say, I'm very suspicious of this.
Ho hum, one less mass murdering animal taking up humans air.
He was 100% right and had to die - the trial was going nowhere and Clinton could not afford to testify.
The true murderes are not on trial.
No kidding - I don't care if he was poisoned or not, doesn't matter to me. And if the Hague knows he was poisoned, it don't bother me none if they keep that knowledge to themselves.
"There is no doubt this is a question of Milosevic's liquidation by The Hague court," Vucelic said, adding that the two had agreed to talk again on Saturday.
"We were supposed to talk more today but when he didn't call, I was a little worried," Vucelic added. "Then I found out what had happened."
Not all of them and certainly not Slobo...not anymore anyway.
Bin Laden, is that you?
It is a corrupt, amoral organization.
R.I.P.
Slobo, were an inspiration to all who resist the concept of a UN world Court and a UN usurpation of national sovereignty.
I can't cry for people who forced men women and children to dig their own graves before slaughtering them. That isn't to say that I support the islamderthals, just that it's as wrong as anything the nazis did.
Go back to sleep. Deep sleep.
A) Lie
B) Slobo was never charged for any crime that ascribed that kind of killing to him.
Ah - you found me - now I've gotta go and find a new cave!
Camel boy, stop humping camel and come here. Find me new cave. Kill all infidel. Now!
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/gw.htm
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/film/judgment.htm
Bombing Serbia to appease the muslims made Clinton guilty of a warcrime. He should have been sitting in that chair at The Hague.
I am not your leader. Go salute the UN flag.
One more animal that's not wasting my air.
These days one never knows if what their learning about history has any truth in it. It's a real pain having to question and suspect all of one's knowledge concering historical events - our institutions of 'higher' learning can't be trusted.
What a pain!
(Thanks for the links, I check them out when I've got time!)
Next thing you know he'll show up on South Park in a threesome with Saddam and Satan.
their=they're - really, I'm a product of our socialist school system, what do you expect?
This means that Milosevic did not have medical care in the moment of death. He was found dead. This is a fact.
What does it mean?
His cell was monitored 24/7, that means no one from ICTY bothered to send him medical assistance.
On February 24th, ICTY refused to allow Milosevic to undergo medical treatment in Moscow.
It really does not mean anything wether Milo was a new Hitler or new St. Thomas Aquinas. He was a suspect and until proven guilty, he was innocent.
By denying Milosevic, a known heart-failure patient needed care, ICTY has committed extrajudical execution.
Having in mind that ICTY is created illegally, all who took part in this criminal enterprise are the accomplices.
You're doing OK, some never escape!
The Butcher is dead.
Slobby was a slug. He died inside a long time ago; the body just didn't know it yet.
Even though it's likely I'll have to settle on asking folks if they'd like some fries with that - even after graduating, at least I'll be more likely to earn a decent living with a degree than without.
I've already done the unemployment thing, and it doesn't really work so well...
Stalin was never tried for any of his crimes, either.
I think the UN Tribunal Judges should be charged with torture. Letting a trial last 4 years is torture.
"He was a suspect and until proven guilty, he was innocent."
And a trial that lasted as long as this one did, without any result, would create enough stress to kill almost anyone. Let alone someone with a pre-existing heart condition.
First, Clinton sees to the appeasement of the muslims by bombing a sovereign country that was trying to defend itself against the islamofascists - then the socialist court at The Hague keeps him under stress for years while he conducts his defense. And then, when it appears Clinton may be required to testify, the defendant conveniently dies alone in his cell after being denied medical treatment.
And we expect the Serbs to give up their 'war criminals'?
Not a chance.
Funny comment coming from a man whose tag line reads: WestVirginiaRebel (The U.N. is an enabler of all things evil.)
Muslims in Kosovo already practice mass violence on living Serbs and Jews and Gypsies why not on a corpse?
Later, UN enabling WestVirginiaRebel.
Go salute your UN masters for a job well done.
That is right! I did not even think about that! People who have heart attacks don't sleep through them.
"Well as far as I'm concerned they should just dump the body in Kosovo and let the relatives of his victims tear it to pieces."
Now tell me, what would you like to see done with Clinton's remains after he caused/ordered the deaths of thousands of Serbians?
I can understand it may be painful for you to admit the US made a terrible mistake...but to deny a man justice and medical treatment only proves one thing to me. With the death of Milosovic The Hague court has written its obituary.
I am no fan of the U.N. and my tagline still stands. The Useless Nations was against our bombing Serbia, too. The Serbian campaign was a NATO action. Thousands of German civilians died because of American bombing raids. Did that make Roosevelt a war criminal?
As much as I can't stand Clinton, I don't think any President would have simply ignored Slobby and let him continue on his merry megalomaniacle way.
If Slobo *really* was the sort of genociadal manaical tyrant the press and the UN make him out to be he'd be the only maniacal genocidal tyrant the press and the UN has ever been upset about.
Why has the War Crimes Tribunal for Yugoslavia suppressed forensic testimony about Srebrenica?
by Jared Israel and Max Sinclair (22-6-00)
On June 2, the War Crimes Tribunal or ICTY (International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia) recessed. Just before it recessed, the Tribunal held a week of forensic testimony in the case of Bosnian Serb General Radislav Krstic. The testimony was duly reported by the ICTY. Those who testified were even named. But none of the testimony was published by the ICTY or leaked to the press. How come?
General Krstic is on trial for his alleged role in what the Tribunal claims was the massacre of thousands of Islamist soldiers which supposedly took place when the Bosnian Serb army took the town of Srebrenica in Bosnian 1995.
We say 'alleged' and 'supposedly' and 'claims' because the only thing the Tribunal has actually proven is that the Serb Army did defeat Islamist forces at Srebrenica in '95.
The rest is accusation unencumbered by evidence.
After four years of press releases full of propaganda and unsupported claims, the Tribunal has not produced a shred of evidence that there was in fact a massacre.
The forensic experts' testimony was the Tribunal's big chance. Finally they could show the public some scientific evidence supporting NATO's claim that General Radislav Krstic's soldiers killed POWs loyal to Nasir Oric in Srebrenica.
Yet there is no news. There is not one article about the testimony. There are no interviews, no emotional statements from forensic experts overwhelmed by the horrors perpetrated by the Serbs. Nothing.
Why not?
Why doesn't the ICTY let the various Forensic Teams publish their findings?
Victims or Villains
Yugoslavia says the whole Krstic trial is an effort to turn matters upside down. That during the period when Islamist forces under Nasir Oric controlled Srebrenica the Islamists killed some 3,000 Serbian civilians in the area. Nasser Oric went public at that time, proudly displaying a video of Serbian civilians his troops had mutilated.
On the other side, what is there? With all the resources of NATO backing the Tribunal, what is there? There is only…a claim. NATO's claim that Gen. Krstic's soldiers killed 8,000 Islamist POWs.
According to the tribunal, forensic scientists have discovered 1,668 bodies 'in and around the Srebrenica area'. Is this true? We have only the Tribunal's word. And if it is true, whose bodies did the forensic experts find?
Now we are told the experts have testified. Why hasn't their testimony been made public?
Could it be their testimony was unacceptable (for NATO)?
Is the ICTY silent because their experts didn't testify the way NATO wanted them to testify?
Because they didn't say thousands of POWs were killed by Krstic's soldiers? Because they did say the bodies they had uncovered were the bodies of Serbian civilians murdered by Nasser Oric's terrorists, allied with NATO?
One might object to this line of reasoning. One might say "Why should a court publicize the testimony in a trial? Why should a court treat testimony as if it were propaganda?"
And that would be fair enough except that since its inception the Tribunal has frequently treated testimony as propaganda. And not only testimony that has actually been given but also testimony that may not have been given (i.e., that we are told was given in secret by witnesses later identified by a letter, as in 'the witness L testified that...,' as if the ICTY was not a Tribunal at all but a team of ghostwriters for Franz Kafka). Indeed the members of this court have made propaganda out of any and every morsel of rumor or gossip, every image that can be manipulated to attack the Serbs. For example, consider this from the 'Associated Press:'
"Chief Prosecutor of the International War Crimes Tribunal for former Yugoslavia Carla del Ponte, center, looks at a coffin being removed from a mass grave site by ICTY investigators in the village of Qirez, central Kosovo, on Wednesday, June 21, 2000. Del Ponte is on the second day of her visit to Kosovo where she met with U.N. and KFOR officials as well as Albanian and Serb community leaders." (AP Photo/Visar Kryezium, 6/21/2000)
Aside from the fact that this anti-Serb photo op offers no evidence as to who was actually buried in the graveyard - Serbs killed by the KLA? Serbs, Albanians or 'Gypsies' who died of natural causes? Albanian loyalists assassinated by Albanian secessionists? KLA terrorists shot in battle by the Yugoslav Army? ...
Aside from the question, "Since when do bloodthirsty mass murderers bury their victims in wooden coffins?" (To which the obvious answer is: ''Never.") ...
Aside from these questions there is another: "Since when do serious international courts send their chief prosecutors to make appearances when coffins are being pulled out of the ground in order to stage mass-grave photo ops?"
To which the answer is: "They don't, not if they are indeed serious international courts." Which suggests that the War Crimes Tribunal is indeed not a serious international court. It is the propaganda arm of NATO, organized by Madeline Albright, financed by NATO, designed and groomed and paid very well thank you to prove that NATO has done and is doing the right thing and that the Serbs are monsters.
So how come this War Crimes Tribunal and its Public Relations staff didn't stage any photo ops with the forensic experts who testified about Srebrenica?
Isn't this a case where silence is eloquent?
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/sinclair/why.htm
Rule Number One: Take nothing at face value. Question everything.
"Our"????
Clinton authorised the bombed the Serbs on the behalf of criminal, genocidal, al-Qaeda linked Albanian Muslims. The Republican congress DENIED Clinton authorisation for the bombing.
Clinton never took the matter to the UN.
"Our" - what a telling statement by you.
PS: Slobo was not a Commie - he was a Socialist - you know - like England's Blair.
You are:
Judge
Jury
Hangman
Seems to account for much of what is passed off as news by the MSM.
Thanks for the info.
I couldn't either. However, what you wrote has no basis in reality.
cripplecreek's comments kind of reminded me about the made up scene where the evil 'Red Coats' gather the Americans up in a church and burned it down.
That was bull drops too.
Comments by Petar Makara
Consulting Editor, Emperor's Clothes
The horror that Bosnian Serbs suffered at the hands of Muslims in the vicinity of Srebrenica is no secret. The Yugoslav State Commission for War Crimes submitted a 132 page study presenting this Serbian suffering as early as May 24, 1993 to the United Nations Security Council. Representatives of Republika Srpska (the Bosnian Serb Republic) were not allowed to submit similar documents because Republika Srpska was not recognized by the United Nations. Yugoslavia, as a UN member state (since 1945) and one of its founding nations, was allowed to submit this document.
The Security Council admitted the study as an official United Nations document. The document was given UN id numbers A/46/171 and S/25635 and dated 2 June 1993.
Many UN documents, crucial for understanding the civil wars in Bosnia in 1990's, were, on American insistence, declared classified. But this document was not. Its distribution was marked "General." Any Western journalist could have stopped by room GA57 in the basement of the U.N. Building at the corner of 46th Street and 1st Ave. in New York and gotten a copy. Or they could just called the U.N. Public Inquiry Office at (212) 963-4475 and ordered it.
If the contents of this document are false, why didn't the Western media report it and refute it? Its suppression eloquently proclaims its validity and the dishonesty of the media that suppressed the very news of its existence.
We present it in its entirety. More. It is scanned in original form. You can print the PDF files and you will have a photo-copy of the original.
-- Petar Makara
Emperor's Clothes
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Introduction
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-intro.pdf
Pages 1 - 21 of the document. Historical background. Serbian suffering in the region. Repeated acts of hostility toward the Serbian population in and around Srebrenica, this time in the 1990s. A list of recent Serbian victims of Muslim crime.
The list of Serbian victims
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-victims.pdf
Pages 22 - 40 of the document. Bosnian Serbs from in and around Srebrenica murdered by Bosnian Muslims from April 20, 1992 to April 5, 1993, organized by date, victim's first name, father's name (in parenthesis), last name, year of birth, place of birth, county.
Massacres
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-massacred.pdf
Pages 41 - 51 of the document. General description of the crimes committed: Types of torture and murder, plunder of Serbian property, cleansing of the Serbian population.
Muslim perpetrators
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-perpetrators.pdf
Pages 52 - 80 of the document. Bosnian Muslim perpetrators. Their full names, types of crime committed. Places and dates of their crimes.
Victims' statements - part 1
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-statements-1.pdf
Pages 81 - 104 of the document. Some surviving Serbian victims tell, in their own words, what they went through and how they survived.
Victims' statements - part 2
http://emperor.vwh.net/sreb/un-statements-2.pdf
Pages 105 - 132 of the document. Continuation: surviving Serbian victims tell what they went through.
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