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Milosevic feared he was being poisoned: lawyer
news.yahoo.com ^ | March 11, 2006 | Reuters

Posted on 03/11/2006 12:30:24 PM PST by Proctor

Milosevic feared he was being poisoned: lawyer

March, 11 2005

BELGRADE (Reuters) - Former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic feared he was being poisoned in his detention cell in The Hague, his lawyer Zdenko Tomanovic said on Saturday hours after the tribunal announced Milosevic's death.

"Today, I have filed an official request to the tribunal to have the autopsy carried out in Moscow, having in mind his claims yesterday that he was being poisoned in the jail," Tomanovic told reporters in The Hague.

Acting on a request from Milosevic, Tomanovic said he had made a request for protection for his client to the Russian embassy in The Netherlands and to the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow.

"I demanded protection for Slobodan Milosevic over his claims that he was being poisoned. I still haven't received any reply and that's all I have to say at this time," the lawyer said.

Milosevic conducted his own defense at the war crimes trial. Tomanovic acted as his legal representative in other matters as well as helping him prepare his defense.


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Milosevic Given Wrong Medicine

By: Cees Banning and Petra de Koning English Translation provided by "R.M" of Amsterdam

The Hague - November 23 (NRC Handelsblad) In the Scheveningen prison Slobodan Milosevic was given the wrong medicine, causing his blood pressure to rise very quickly. This was why at the beginning of this month the trial against the former president of Yugoslavia was suspended. Sources within the tribunal have confirmed this. However a spokesman for the Tribunal denies that mistakes were made. He refuses to discuss the issue further on grounds that "This is about the privacy of the defendant."

This was the fifth time the trial had to be suspended because of Milosevic's ill-health. As a result Judge Richard May of the ICTY has ordered two new medical examinations. Last Monday Milosevic was examined by cardiologist, P. Dijkman and by P. Falke, the doctor of the Scheveningen prison. In addition the judges want a psychiatric report to be produced within a week. 61 year old Milosevic, who is defending himself, suffers from heart troubles and exhaustion. In a previous report Falke observed a 'mental overload' in Milosevic.

Because of his bad health the trial has been seriously delayed. On the basis of the new reports Judge May will decide about the further proceedings of the trial. The tribunal could decide to assign a lawyer to Milosevic. Until now Milosevic has strongly resisted this. The trial was resumed this week.

The 'amicus curiae' Steven Kay and Branislav Tapuskovic have asked to suspend the trial for one year. During this time Milosevic could improve his health, say the 'friends of the court', who have been assigned to ensure a fair trial. Prosecutor Carla del Ponte was furious when she heard about this. According to her Milosevic receives all the medical care he needs in the Scheveningen prison.

The International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic (ICDSM) has sent a letter to the ICTY this week, in which the committee demands an independent medical examination. The former president should be examined by the medical specialists of the Military Medical Academy in Belgrade, who have taken care of his health for years.

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Original In Dutch:

Milosevic kreeg verkeerd medicijn Door onze redacteuren Cees Banning en Petra de Koning

DEN HAAG, 23 NOV. (NRC Handelsblad) Slobodan Milosevic heeft in de gevangenis van Scheveningen verkeerde medicijnen gekregen waardoor zijn bloeddruk plotseling sterk was gestegen. Dat was de reden waarom het proces tegen de ex- president van Joegoslavië begin deze maand werd geschorst. Dat bevestigen bronnen in het tribunaal. Een woordvoerder van het tribunaal ontkent dat er fouten zijn gemaakt. Hij wil verder niet inhoudelijk reageren. ,,Het gaat om de privacy van de verdachte.''

Het was de vijfde keer dat het proces moest worden geschorst wegens ziekte van Milosevic. Rechter Richard May van het Joegoslavië-tribunaal gelastte naar aanleiding daarvan twee nieuwe medische onderzoeken. Afgelopen maandag is Milosevic onderzocht door de cardioloog P. Dijkman en door P. Falke, de huisarts van de gevangenis in Scheveningen. Daarnaast willen de rechters dat er binnen een week een psychiatrisch rapport wordt opgesteld. De 61-jarige Milosevic, die zijn eigen verdediging voert, kampt met hartproblemen en hij heeft last van uitputtingsverschijnselen. In een eerdere rapportage constateerde Falke een ,,mentale overbelasting'' bij Milosevic.

Door zijn slechte gezondheid loopt het proces ernstige vertraging op. Op basis van de nieuwe rapportages wil rechter Richard May een besluit nemen over de verdere voortgang van het proces. Het tribunaal zou kunnen besluiten om Milosevic een advocaat toe te wijzen. Tot nu toe heeft Milosevic zich daar fel tegen verzet. Het proces is deze week weer hervat.

De 'amici curiae' Steven Kay en Branislav Tapuskovic hebben gepleit voor het opschorten van het proces met een jaar. In die periode zou Milosevic kunnen aansterken, aldus de 'vrienden van het hof' - die moeten toezien op een eerlijk verloop van het proces. Hoofdaanklager Carla Del Ponte werd woedend toen ze hiervan hoorde. In de gevangenis van Scheveningen krijgt Milosevic volgens haar alle medische zorg die hij nodig heeft.

Het Internationaal Comité voor de verdediging van Slobodan Milo en caron;­sevic (ICDSM) heeft deze week een brief naar het Joegoslavië-tribunaal gestuurd, waarin het comité aandringt op een onafhankelijk medisch onderzoek. De ex- president zou onderzocht moeten worden door specialisten van de militaire medische academie in Belgrado, die jarenlang over Milosevic' gezondheid hebben gewaakt.

23 november 2002

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1 posted on 03/11/2006 12:30:27 PM PST by Proctor
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To: joan; A. Pole; Incorrigible; DTA; tgambill; Honorary Serb

fyi and bump around


2 posted on 03/11/2006 12:32:23 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

When the trial began, we all knew this was how it would end.

There would be no verdict.


3 posted on 03/11/2006 12:40:32 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Proctor

Time to update the Body Count?


4 posted on 03/11/2006 12:43:29 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

McDougalitis?


5 posted on 03/11/2006 12:45:30 PM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: Proctor
Milosevic feared with good reason. He was a megalomaniac dictator who got caught by his own slimeball tricks. Ethnic cleansing is a nasty business. He may have been poisoned. Perhaps not. In my personal opinion, he deserved everything he got. But the Serbian people were victimized by both Milosevic and Bill Clinton. How many innocent Yugoslavians did Clinton kill with his illegal bombing campaign? Was it 3,000 or 4,000? Was the total ever finalized? All while 'wagging the dog' over Monica.
6 posted on 03/11/2006 1:01:27 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: ex-Texan

The only ethnic cleansing that happened was on the Serbian people.

Serbia is the most tolerant and ethnically diverse nation in the Balkans.

Where Serbs lost the war they were cleansed.

The enemies of the Serbs (who were all Nazi allies) achieved a level of ethnic cleansing even their Nazi grandfathers never dreamed of.

Serbs reacted as anyone would faced wiath an Islamist head hunting rebellion (Bosnia and Kosovo) allied to a neo-nazi revisionist state (Croatia).


7 posted on 03/11/2006 1:10:59 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Incorrigible
When the trial began, we all knew this was how it would end.

There would be no verdict.

Well look on the bright side - there's still the ICJ Bosnia vs. Serbia suit, and Croatia has its own suit against Serbia still on the docket.

Slobo's legacy didn't die with him - and as much of the evidence brought to his ICTY trial will make its way over to the ICJ cases, his trial has served a useful purpose, even in its incomplete state.

So the crying and opportunity to push revisionist history isn't over by any stretch of the imagination.

8 posted on 03/11/2006 1:23:53 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Proctor

I wonder if the UN Human Rights Commission will investigate. They refused to let a sick man get proper treatment, and now it seems to have him the wrong medicine, which may have killed him.

Nice.


9 posted on 03/11/2006 1:30:39 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Slobo's medicine was never given to him by his private doctors. Slobo was medical treatment was given by court directed doctors and Slobo's personal physicians nor any independent physicians for that matter were allowed to treat him.

What kind of doctor (picked by the UN Court no less) gives a man with a heart condition the wrong medicine?

Everytime Slobo took they medicine this kangaroo court gave him he risked his life.


10 posted on 03/11/2006 1:37:03 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
According to her [prosecutor Carla del Ponte] Milosevic receives all the medical care he needs in the Scheveningen prison.

Now we know what she meant by "all the medical care he need[ed]".

Since Milosevic was a Commie (may God forgive his sins on account of unjust slander and persecution he suffered) it might be proper to quote Karl Marx:

"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce."

Infamous Moscow show trials of 1930s (where other Commies were persecuted by Stalin) were tragic. The Hague Tribunal is a farce.

11 posted on 03/11/2006 2:06:19 PM PST by A. Pole (Exodus:20:16: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.")
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To: ex-Texan
Ethnic cleansing is a nasty business.

Check the population data from Bosnia and Kosovo now. Compare it with the situation before.

THE ONLY TWO MAJOR ETHNIC CLEANSINGS WERE OF SERBIAN KRAJINA AND OF KOSOVO SERBS !!!

This is what the thieves do, they cry: "A thief, a thief!" pointing at someone else. This trick works well.

12 posted on 03/11/2006 2:13:19 PM PST by A. Pole (Exodus:20:16: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.")
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To: Proctor
Someone will make a "mistake" and cremate the body before an autopsy can be done. Betting on Arkinside.
13 posted on 03/11/2006 2:21:16 PM PST by drypowder
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To: drypowder

Well they can always use the doctor Michael Shiavo had for Terri, to do the autopsy.


14 posted on 03/11/2006 2:24:37 PM PST by mware (A teacher of geography.)
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To: A. Pole
Quotes from former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's war crimes trial:

Milosevic at arraignment in July, 2001:

"I consider this tribunal (a) false tribunal and (the) indictments false indictments. It is illegal, being not appointed by U.N. General Assembly. So I have no need to appoint counsel to (an) illegal organ."

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At the start of his trial in February 2002:

"The prosecution is uttering such horrendous lies, what we have heard here insults the intelligence of this planet ...

"Your bosses broke up Yugoslavia. They pushed Bosnia into a civil war. The Serbs did not start the war. It is nonsensical to accuse the wrong side ...

"I'm not trying to say that some individuals did not do this, but the police and army defended the country courageously and honorably ...

"America crosses the globe to struggle against terrorism in Afghanistan, but to fight terrorism in the heart of your own country is considered to be a crime. Our defense was a heroic defense against the aggression of the NATO pact ...

"You (prosecutors) basically have nothing. You just want to invent things. This is a political trial, and this is nothing to do with the law itself."

15 posted on 03/11/2006 3:01:33 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: A. Pole
Quotes from former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's war crimes trial:

From Milosevic's opening statements in his defense in February 2004:

"Accusations leveled against me are an unscrupulous lie and also a tireless distortion of history. Everything has been presented in a lopsided manner in order to protect those who are truly responsible ...

"They call themselves the international community, but in the territory of Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, they supported a totalitarian chauvinist elite, terrorists, Islamic fundamentalists, neo-Nazis, whose objective was an ethnically pure state. That is to say, a state without any Serbs ...

"In the early 1990s, it was the Serbs who were killed and expelled from Croatia ... It was the Serbs who were being killed and expelled from Kosovo ... Persecution of all non-Albanians (in Kosovo) continues with undiminished fervor, continues until this day."

16 posted on 03/11/2006 3:02:39 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

A belief that they are being poisoned is a common delusion among psychotics.

http://www.google.com/search?q=psychotic+poisoned+delusion&sourceid=opera&num=75&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


17 posted on 03/11/2006 3:09:16 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: KarinG1; A. Pole
A belief that they are being poisoned is a common delusion among psychotics.

Diagnosing political prisoners as psychotics was a common Stalinist show trial tactic.

Milosevic Given Wrong Medicine

UN war crimes tribunal denies request for Milosevic autopsy in Moscow

18 posted on 03/11/2006 3:19:26 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: KarinG1

Even the court admits he was given the "wrong medicine." The only question is whether it was a) accidental; b) criminal negligence; or c) deliberate murder.

This persecution was becoming an embarrassment, because what was meant to be a great show trial to demonstrate the power of the court turned into a pathetic farce.


19 posted on 03/11/2006 3:34:46 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: KarinG1
A belief that they are being poisoned is a common delusion among psychotics.

Soviet prison psychiatrists called it sluggish (asymptomatic) schizophrenia. Now the Bolshevik mindset is alive in the West.

20 posted on 03/11/2006 3:39:49 PM PST by A. Pole (Milosevic: "And when they behead your own people [...] then you will know what this was all about.")
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To: ex-Texan

The Serbs were no angels either. No one it seems was an angel in that conflict.


21 posted on 03/11/2006 3:47:18 PM PST by moog
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To: mware

Or Doctor Kevorkian.


22 posted on 03/11/2006 3:48:16 PM PST by moog
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To: moog; mware; A. Pole

Euthanasia is legal in The Hague.


23 posted on 03/11/2006 3:52:38 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

They should call it Youthinerup there.


24 posted on 03/11/2006 3:54:07 PM PST by moog
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To: A. Pole
Now the Bolshevik mindset is alive in the West.

I am seeing that more and more. Did you read the comments posted that they don't want to know if he was poisoned - sort of giving the UN a pat on the back - because Slobo was evil - you know Slobo was our enemy because he was sending terrorists against us - oh, wait - what exactly did Slobo do to make him America's or NATO's enemy?

25 posted on 03/11/2006 3:55:49 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Hoplite; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; ...
So the crying and opportunity to push revisionist history isn't over by any stretch of the imagination.

Indeed, we'll have many more years of the Clintonistas rising from their kneepads to proclaim in unison with the Islamofascists that betraying the Christian Serbs was something other than a complete disaster for the West.

Anyone who isn't a Dhimmi won't buy it, of course, but it will still be out there.

26 posted on 03/11/2006 4:06:21 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hoplite

Serbia's in the clear now.


27 posted on 03/11/2006 4:23:37 PM PST by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ)
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To: Cicero

There is little doubt, however, as to whether Milosevik's actions were: a) accidental; b) criminal negligence; or c) deliberate murder.


28 posted on 03/11/2006 4:33:20 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: KarinG1

I'm not an apologist for Milosevitch. He was a thug. But he was one thug among many. The Socialist network, with Blair, clinton, and Schroeder leading, demonized the Serbians as if only they were at fault. Sorry, but there was plenty of guilt to go around.

The pretence is that he was doing an ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, yet while the Serbs controlled that province, the Albanian population somehow increased from 50% to 90%. Some genocide!

It just burns me up that the hypocrites who ran that war deliberately bombed civilian populations, dams, bridges, powerplants, and railroads, and left the population of Belgrade freezing in the dark, and then call Milosevitch a war criminal.

Perhaps he was. But so was clinton. So was Clark. And so were the Albanians and Bosnian Muslims who burned churches and murdered civilians with the best of them. So, why this show trial? It was to excuse their own guilt.


29 posted on 03/11/2006 5:38:10 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: mware
Geez, I thought I was actually gonna get through at least one thread without mention of Terri Schiavo.
30 posted on 03/11/2006 5:48:37 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Proctor
Prosecutor Carla del Ponte was furious when she heard about this. According to her Milosevic receives all the medical care he needs in the Scheveningen prison.

How would you like to have this whore overseeing your medical care. Milosevic made monkeys out of the prosecution (del Ponte and company) with their phoney charges. He was demanding Bill Clinton and Wesley Clark appear and testify in which case he would've tied them in knots. Bottom Line: He was an embarrassment to this house of fools and incompetants. They had to get rid of him.

31 posted on 03/11/2006 5:49:52 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: Hoplite
"So the crying and opportunity to push revisionist history isn't over by any stretch of the imagination."

Yes, revisionist history is your forte

32 posted on 03/11/2006 6:37:05 PM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Cicero

I think it would be pretty hard to find a jury sympathetic to the ''Well, he did it too!'' defense when one is on trial for genocide. I'm sorry but I can't muster much sympathy for a mass murderer regardless of what crimes his peers may have committed.


33 posted on 03/11/2006 6:43:12 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: KarinG1

The question is, What authority does the "International Criminal Court" have?

Bush had very good reasons for refusing to recognize its authority. Why pick on the Serbs? It was a three way fight. Who elected these guys as judges? How come a Serb is being tried by "judges" from other countries?

This violates all the principles of Democratic representation.


34 posted on 03/11/2006 7:13:48 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Proctor

UN and EU operating the prison violating huamn rights?


35 posted on 03/11/2006 7:28:55 PM PST by Wiz
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To: Cicero
The question seems to be changing.

"The only question is whether it was a) accidental; b) criminal negligence; or c) deliberate murder."

"The question is, What authority does the "International Criminal Court" have?"

Although I am no fan of the ICC, I like them more than genocidal dictators. Milosevik is dead, and that doesn't make me unhappy. I would have preferred that he swing from a rope, a fate much kinder than that imposed upon his many victims, but I didn't really expect to see that. I hope we are luckier with Hussein.

36 posted on 03/11/2006 8:20:16 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: KarinG1; Cicero
KarinG1: I hope we are luckier with Hussein.

Who is we? The Iraqi people have Hussein on trail.

That is the way it should be.

A demonized person like Milosevic made the acceptance of an international criminal court more easy.

I mean who will dare oppose an international court of dubious jurisprudence that has before it a man who is 'The Butcher of the Balkans' and the 'next Hitler'.

37 posted on 03/11/2006 8:46:00 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor
Who is we?

We is humanity. We is the civilized people of the world who see never again as more than just a catchy phrase.

The Iraqi people have Hussein on trail.

No, he's not on the trail now, he's in the dock.

That is the way it should be.

I would agree with you if you thought he should be dancing at the end of a rope, but I don't think he belongs on any trails.

A demonized person like Milosevic made the acceptance of an international criminal court more easy.

A demon like Milosevik makes hanging people more easy.

I mean who will dare oppose an international court of dubious jurisprudence that has before it a man who is 'The Butcher of the Balkans' and the 'next Hitler'.

Whatever else you say about old Slobodan, I think 'next' would not describe him properly..

38 posted on 03/11/2006 9:00:44 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: KarinG1; A. Pole
We is humanity. We is the civilized people of the world who see never again as more than just a catchy phrase.

Take your 'internationale' crap and shove it.

The world allowed 'never again' to happen to the Serbs - be it the final policy of Islamic jihad against them in Bosnia and Kosovo or the Nazi final solution in Krajina.

39 posted on 03/11/2006 9:07:08 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

Oh, I see. It happened before and we should therefore allow it to happen again. Two wrongs don't make a right but maybe three or four will. And since we can't stop all of the evil in this world at once, we should ignore all of it. Good point.


40 posted on 03/11/2006 9:26:06 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: KarinG1

The Serbs did not carry out genocide. What they were doing was defending themselves against PROVEN genocidal regimes - Croats and Muslims.


41 posted on 03/11/2006 10:39:14 PM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

Like Napoleon?


42 posted on 03/12/2006 7:01:19 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Proctor; nuconvert

Suicide seems to be running in his family: First an uncle,his father Svetozar and then his mother Stanislava.


43 posted on 03/12/2006 7:53:57 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

No suicide is being claimed here.


44 posted on 03/12/2006 7:56:39 AM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Incorrigible
When the trial began, we all knew this was how it would end.

There would be no verdict.

And I fully expect the exact same thing to happen to Saddam Hussein as well. Don't expect that charade to be ending any time soon.

45 posted on 03/12/2006 7:58:05 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

It took me a few seconds to realize what you mean by that Napoleon remark. Then it hit me. There was speculation of late that the British poisoned Napoleon as their prisoner with arsenic.


46 posted on 03/12/2006 7:58:08 AM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

?Acting on a request from Milosevic, Tomanovic said he had made a request for protection for his client to the Russian embassy in The Netherlands and to the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow."

So what did he expect the Russians to do? Drive a tank into the prison and tak Milosevic into protective custody?

This sounds as if it could have ended very nastily had the Russians made a move of some kind.


47 posted on 03/12/2006 8:00:47 AM PST by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: KarinG1

Do you know anything about the UCK?


48 posted on 03/12/2006 8:45:59 AM PST by F-117A
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To: Proctor

That's what Napoleon claimed. Of course, I could have mentioned Mozart's rather paranoid comments about Salieri.


49 posted on 03/12/2006 9:25:59 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: F-117A

Probably not.


50 posted on 03/13/2006 7:05:19 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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