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Hate website fine a first
London Free Press ^ | 11 March, 2006 | Randy Richmond

Posted on 03/11/2006 8:33:24 PM PST by steve86

A Human Rights ruling says Internet servers are as liable as their clients for hate material. By RANDY RICHMOND, FREE PRESS REPORTER

For the first time in Canada, an Internet service provider has been found guilty and fined for hosting websites that spread hate messages against blacks, Jews and Muslims.

In the landmark ruling by the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal yesterday, southern Ontario's white supremacy movement also took a hit, with two leaders and one group found guilty of violating the Canadian Human Rights Act and ordered to pay $8,000 in fines and compensation.

The Internet service provider, Affordable Space. com, was fined $5,000.

"The ruling sends a very strong message that Internet servers, if they are aware there is hate content and don't take timely action to remove it, can be held liable," said Ottawa lawyer Richard Warman, who filed the complaint in February 2002.

The ruling was the third victory in as many tries for Warman in efforts to shut down Internet hate and a boost to his complaints against several other London-area white supremacists.

"I am absolutely thrilled," he said. "This is proof human rights laws work."

The ruling also shows that online pseudonyms, used by both men in the case, are no protection against the law, said Monette Maillet, the Canadian Human Rights Commission lawyer who argued the case before the tribunal.

"The ruling shows Canadians have no tolerance for hate," Maillet said.

In the ruling, ex-Londoner James Scott Richardson was fined $1,000 for several Internet postings, including one calling for attacks on Jewish and Muslim agencies, temples and residences.

Longtime white supremacy leader Alexan Kulbashian of North York was fined $1,000 for his hate messages.

Kulbashian must also pay $5,000 to Warman for online attacks against the lawyer.

Reached at his parents' home near Toronto, Kulbashian expressed anger at media coverage of the issue.

"My comment for you is shut up," said Kulbashian, before hanging up.

Richardson, now living in Hamilton, couldn't be reached for comment.

Richardson and Kulbashian were members of the Canadian Ethnic Cleansing Team (CECT), now defunct, which also must pay a fine of $3,000.

The CECT website and a related web forum were hosted on Affordable Space.com.

Kulbashian may be on the hook for the $3,000 fine against Affordable Space.com, because he owned the company.

The CECT web forum was "littered with statements of extreme ill will to various ethnic, racial and religious groups," ruled tribunal members Athanasios Hadjis,

Some of the material suggested whites use any means possible to ensure the "white race prevails."

"I find that the material in question constitutes hate messages," Hadjis said.

The Human Rights Act prohibits the communication of messages over the Internet likely to expose people to hatred or contempt based on religion or race.

The two men, the group and the server must "cease and desist" sending similar material over the Net, Hadjis ruled.

The ruling is backed by the federal court, which can fine or imprison the two men for contempt if they break the order, Warman said.

Warman and the commission had also sought penalties against a website called tricityskins.com.

Hadjis dismissed the complaint because the extent of Richardson and Kulbashian's involvement with the site or a group with the same name was never made clear.

At a February 2005 tribunal hearing in Oakville, Richardson threatened several times to walk out and he and Kulbashian accused London police and Maillet of lying.

The two men vowed earlier to fight the allegations, but decline to offer any evidence in their own defence at the hearing.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: csr; nofreespeech; socialistrepublic; thoughtcontrol; thoughtcrime
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1 posted on 03/11/2006 8:33:29 PM PST by steve86
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To: BearWash
I certainly hope this does not spread to the USA.

It would only be a matter of time until conservative sites are considered 'hate speech'.

Remember, as disgusting as some of the stuff on the web is, when they start censoring sites, who decides what is hate speech or not?

2 posted on 03/11/2006 8:36:21 PM PST by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: BearWash
I think this is one of the reasons FreeDominion.ca is hosted on a website in the US. There really isn't free speach in Canada.
3 posted on 03/11/2006 8:37:16 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: BearWash
the Canadian Human Rights Commission

There's a misnomer if there ever was one. I guess freedom of speech is not a human right but freedom from ever being offended is.

4 posted on 03/11/2006 8:39:10 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: BearWash
Who says what is 'hate'? Can we ban the NYT and the 'Bush haters'?

Better to have a right to free discourse than someone arbitrarily deciding what is OK.

5 posted on 03/11/2006 8:43:10 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Watch them try to get the "World Court" to claim jurisdiction and pursue any originating website in any country.


6 posted on 03/11/2006 8:46:21 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: BearWash

Canada is a very scary country.


7 posted on 03/11/2006 8:46:43 PM PST by Krankor (T)
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To: BearWash
This just opened a can of worms. Canada is ripe for takeover, defenseless, cowardly, capitulating....
8 posted on 03/11/2006 8:46:44 PM PST by Dallas59 (ALLAH DOES NOT EXIST - MOHAMMED LIED)
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To: BearWash
James Scott Richardson was fined $1,000 for several Internet postings, including one calling for attacks on Jewish and Muslim agencies

At least he was fair and balanced.

9 posted on 03/11/2006 8:48:59 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I agree,and I'm pretty conservative in my taste as far as websites,movies,and books go,but I want what I want when I want it and I certainly don't want the government telling me what is okay for me to read.

Criminalizing the distribution of certain books or movies or plays or websites is the beginning of a very slippery slope IMHO.

The only exception would be child pornography since there is a victim being abused.


10 posted on 03/11/2006 8:51:21 PM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen-caviar and cigarettes.)
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To: BearWash
For the first time in Canada...


Isn't that the country that liberals always want to flock to?
11 posted on 03/11/2006 9:00:34 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: BearWash
The ruling shows that Canadians have no tolerance for hate

Monette Mailett. Human Rights Commissioner.

Hatred is alive and well in Canada. In any case, hate is almost as likely an emotion as love. This given certain conditions.

The Peter Libra designation of "allowed hatred" follows.

1. The avowed French-Canadian separatist hatred for the "Anglos".

2. The stated hatreds on some Southern Ontario campus, for the State of Israel. (see Daniel Pipes).

3. The unbridled hatred of constituted law enforcement by certain "minorities". (see Toronto Star,include the Dudley George enquiry).

4.The utter contempt and hatred for George W. Bush.(hello sweet Caroline)

I could go on. Still, give sweet Monette credit. Sounds like her forbears did the can-can in gay Paree. She picked on the obvious target. Safe as houses, eh Monette?

12 posted on 03/11/2006 9:21:07 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: technomage

Policing thought-even disgusting thought is just wrong. Free speech!


13 posted on 03/11/2006 9:57:54 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: BearWash


Is this another one of those lefty free speech things?


14 posted on 03/11/2006 10:08:29 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Peter Libra

How about their burning hatred for Christians? That seems to be their main social pillar.


16 posted on 03/11/2006 11:19:19 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: BearWash

"Hate" is used as a means of controlling speech. Defining something as "hate" is an excuse to take away freedom. "Hate Crimes" laws are Soviet laws and totally un-American. "Human Rights Commissions" in Canada are one reason we sometimes have to call that country the "Peoples Republic of Canada."


17 posted on 03/12/2006 12:31:05 AM PST by Nextrush (The Chris Matthews Band: "I get high..I get high...I get high..McCain.")
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To: BearWash

Does this mean that the Toronto Star is going out of business?


18 posted on 03/12/2006 1:31:28 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: BearWash

What were the offending messages? Without the precise quotes, it is impossible to resolve an informed opinion on this particular case.


19 posted on 03/12/2006 1:34:04 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: technomage
It would only be a matter of time until conservative sites are considered 'hate speech'.

How about we quickly declare anti-americanism/socialism/leftists to be "hate speech". The sad fact is that it's going to come down to either the leftists will silence us, or we will silence the leftists. It's them or us.

20 posted on 03/12/2006 1:37:19 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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