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Couldn't see that coming, with the obvious 787 vs flying cattle car outcome.
1 posted on 03/12/2006 4:50:27 PM PST by farlander
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Well, since Boeing is probably going to lose a huge number of 777 and 787 orders thanks to some idiots in Congress, Airbus might just manage to stay ahead.


2 posted on 03/12/2006 4:51:45 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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But how is this possibale. Did not old Chiraci go out last year and gush endlessly how Airbus's new cattle car was going to be the death of Boeing?


3 posted on 03/12/2006 4:52:22 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Are you not entertained? Are you NOT entertained? Is this not what you came here for?)
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But isn't Dubai going to cancel its Boeing orders?


4 posted on 03/12/2006 4:57:40 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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With rudders and such falling off the Airbus, I'd say they have more problems than being number 1 in sales.

What made an Airbus rudder snap in mid-air?

5 posted on 03/12/2006 4:58:58 PM PST by BJungNan
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Must be those Renault engines Airbus is trying to use up.


7 posted on 03/12/2006 5:01:09 PM PST by Frank_N_Sense
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They found out how to sell a lot of planes: make good ones.


8 posted on 03/12/2006 5:01:49 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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As an old Boeing alum who helped design the 747, I'm a bit disappointed in the plastic-electric 787.

I wish the Lazy "B" good luck on it, but what with the outsourcing of the engineering design of subsystems to Russian design bureaus, I can't get real enthusiastic over it.

In spite of all the sonorous claims made for it, the airplane only exists on CAD files and simulations, so far. In the computer business we would call it "vaporware."

I'm willing to be proven wrong about it.

15 posted on 03/12/2006 5:12:31 PM PST by nightdriver
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In my previous life, I did alot of business with Boeing and they were usually quite simply the single most unpleasant vendor I ever had to do business with.

Proposals they made often had little to no relationship to what we had asked for. Many salesmen had basically no authority to do more than hand out plastic models. Airbus and McDonnell Douglas salesmen could make deals on the spot. Boeing also had a general attitude of entitlement, as though we would not even consider going anywhere else.

Alot of US airlines made some political orders in the late 80's and early 90's just to remind Boeing they were perfectly happy to shop elsewhere.

McDonnell Douglas on the other hand was extremely easy to do business with, they wanted your business, they were hungry.

Early Airbus was a little difficult to deal with, not that they were unreasonable, there was just a real culture clash. They were however, like McDonnell Douglas, very hungry and wanted your business. They also had very strong products, the first time I saw the A300 I was just blown away. The first time I saw the A320 my heart stopped.

It looks like bringing Stonehenge out of retirement put the fear of the lord in Boeing Commercial, but when Boeing gets arrogant, they begin doing stupid, self-destructive things.

But in this type of industry it is natural that the balance of power will switch back and forth. No one has the resources to maintain extreme periods of dominance anymore.

23 posted on 03/12/2006 5:20:37 PM PST by Energy Alley
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Boeing is banking on passengers' preference to fly directly to their destinations, while Airbus has bet on large aircraft to take passengers cheaply to and from major hubs and then to smaller connecting flights
...and that kinda means, every Airbus sale triggers more than one sale of a few smaller Boeings. :')
26 posted on 03/12/2006 5:31:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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To: farlander
This is such a no brainer.

I don't know of ANY airline passenger who would prefer a GIANT ZOO CATTLECAR and extra connection, compared to a direct flight.

29 posted on 03/12/2006 5:40:04 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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Sell BA!

If Barons is writing it, the recommendation is wrong.


31 posted on 03/12/2006 7:22:30 PM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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OWN3D!


37 posted on 03/12/2006 10:23:00 PM PST by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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