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3-year-old accidentally shoots mother
ABC News Ch 5 ^

Posted on 03/13/2006 7:15:16 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom

Police trying to piece together why a gun was stored in a family's couch and how it ended up in a three-year-old's hands.

According to police the boy found the gun in it's hiding place in the couch. When the boy's mother saw her son with the gun she took it from him, removed the clip, and put the gun back in the couch not knowing it was still loaded.

"The three year-old picked up the gun and fired it - there was a round still in the chamber - striking the mother in the knee," St. Paul Police Officer Pete Crum told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS.

An ambulance took the 43-year-old woman took Regions Hospital where she's in fair condition. Investigators plan to forward the case to the Ramsey County Attorney's Office for possible child endangerment charges.

Officer Crum wants this case to serve as a reminder to other gun owners to always lock the slide back, open the chamber up and feel the chamber with their finger before they assume the gun is unloaded.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; bradywatch; gunsafety; minnesota; wanglist
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To: Blue Jays

I've learned not to use the term "clip" with respect to a semi auto. However, what exactly is the difference? What IS a clip? Is it a matter of having exposed ammunition (as in feeding a belt through a gun) vs. having it covered (as in a magazine)? Thanks.


41 posted on 03/13/2006 7:39:46 AM PST by rudy45
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To: Vaquero
None should be stored in a couch

Especially with a round in the pipe. Most couches have wood slats under the cushion. Enough moving and wallowing around could possibly cause a discharge. Not likely, but they don't call them "accidental" for nothing.

42 posted on 03/13/2006 7:41:23 AM PST by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

"it's hiding place"



Look at this. It's incompetent writing.


43 posted on 03/13/2006 7:42:34 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
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He shot me down
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That awful sound
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My baby shot me down

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44 posted on 03/13/2006 7:46:00 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: kaboom
I would say that she will certainly die someday.

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In all likelihood. :)

45 posted on 03/13/2006 7:46:23 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

Hiding a loaded gun in a couch with a 3 year old... is pretty foolish and then after he's already found it, putting it back there again?

This woman is luck it was only her knee that got shot... Someone up stairs has given her 2 chances to learn her lesson... that's more than many get..


46 posted on 03/13/2006 7:47:25 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Graybeard58
Another person killed by gun ignorance.

She died from being shot in the knee?

47 posted on 03/13/2006 7:48:36 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

"The three year-old picked up the gun and fired it - there was a round still in the chamber - striking the mother in the knee,"

Low hits are usually caused by jerking the trigger. Next time squeeeeze more slowly, and shoot from a highchair.


48 posted on 03/13/2006 7:50:14 AM PST by BadAndy (I miss the days when people didn't celebrate their perversions.)
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
removed the clip

They had a M1 Garand stuck in the couch?

49 posted on 03/13/2006 7:52:20 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Graybeard58; MineralMan
And you don't read prior comments before making your smart ass comments.

No, we make smartass comments in response to dumbass comments before we read the rest of the thread. That is the way we do things around here. If we all read all the way through the thread before we replied, we would never get to make our smartass comments.

50 posted on 03/13/2006 7:52:27 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
Officer Crum wants this case to serve as a reminder to other gun owners to always lock the slide back, open the chamber up and feel the chamber with their finger before they assume the gun is unloaded.

And this guy is an officer!?!?

FIREARM RULE #1: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED!

51 posted on 03/13/2006 7:55:30 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: VRWCmember
No, we make smartass comments in response to dumbass comments before we read the rest of the thread. That is the way we do things around here. If we all read all the way through the thread before we replied, we would never get to make our smartass comments.

That cleared THAT up...

52 posted on 03/13/2006 7:55:38 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: rudy45

This is a "clip", from an M1 Garand.


This is a Magazine.

53 posted on 03/13/2006 8:01:37 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: On the Road to Serfdom

"Police removed several guns from the home and said the boy's father had been handling the gun Saturday night.

The boy was in his father's care Sunday. His father, identified by friends and property records, is Lili Pan.
Lili Pan is the managing director of the Chinese American Association of Minnesota's Chinese Dance Theater.

Investigators said they would forward the case to the Ramsey County attorney's office, which could consider filing child-endangerment charges.

A next-door neighbor said the family has lived in the house for eight or nine years.

"They are wonderful people," Carol Christensen said. "They're great neighbors. I am so sorry this happened."

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/14087251.htm


54 posted on 03/13/2006 8:02:17 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (I will never forget. I promise.)
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To: Chiapet

Stupid is = stupid does.
Kid is lucky he still has a mother.
Kid is unlucky he has the one he does.


55 posted on 03/13/2006 8:02:17 AM PST by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: OXENinFLA; rudy45
A clip hold a bunch of bullets ready to be loaded into a firearm.

A magazine goes into or attaches to the firearm and has a spring to feed individual rounds into the chamber.

I think the key difference is the ability to insert individual rounds into the guns loading mechanism.

One thing for sure, if I'm wrong a FReeper will correct me!
56 posted on 03/13/2006 8:06:57 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: OXENinFLA

Maybe a Bren gun.. Haha


57 posted on 03/13/2006 8:18:57 AM PST by ketelone
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To: Mcirrus

"Anyone stupid enough to hide a gun in the couch"

Well, I have a gun in my fridge. Does that make me stupid? /sarcasm


58 posted on 03/13/2006 8:24:22 AM PST by jdm
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To: On the Road to Serfdom
3-year-old accidentally shoots mother

Oh, sure, they CLAIM it was an accident.



The babysitter denied me my Oreo once.

.......once.

59 posted on 03/13/2006 8:27:18 AM PST by Lazamataz (We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them.)
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To: VRWCmember
No, we make smartass comments in response to dumbass comments before we read the rest of the thread. That is the way we do things around here. If we all read all the way through the thread before we replied, we would never get to make our smartass comments.

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LOL! I had to check out your "about" page after reading the above. Robbie is a very handsome boy.

60 posted on 03/13/2006 8:32:44 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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