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Video Games Can Save Your Life
strategy page ^ | March 10, 2006

Posted on 03/13/2006 1:12:22 PM PST by strategofr

The U.S. Army has discovered a remote control gun turret that works, and cannot get enough of them. The army wants over 9,000 CROWS (common remotely operated weapon stations), but is only getting 15 a month. There should be about a thousand CROWS in service by the end of the year.

The idea for CROWS has been around for nearly half a century. Years of tinkering, and better technology, eventually made the remote control gun turret effective and dependable. CROWS us a real life saver, not to mention anxiety reducer, for troops who drive through bandit country a lot, and have a turret mounted gun (usually in a hummer). The guy manning the turret mounted machine-gun is a target up there, and too often, the bad guys get you. Not with CROWS. The gunner is inside the vehicle, checking out the surroundings on a computer monitor (with night vision and telephoto capabilities). CROWS also has a laser rangefinder built in, as well as a stabilizer mechanism to allow more accurate fire while the vehicle is moving. The CROWS systems cost about $260,000 each, and can mount a variety of weapons (M2 .50 caliber machine-gun, MK19 40-mm automatic grenade launcher, M240B 7.62mm machine-gun and M249 5.56mm squad automatic weapon).

But there's another reason, not often talked about, for the success of CROWS. The guys operating these systems grew up playing video games. They developed skills in operating systems (video games) very similar to the CROWS controls. This was important, because viewing the world around the vehicle via a vidcam is not as enlightening (although a lot safer) than having your head and chest exposed to the elements, and any firepower the enemy sends your way. But experienced video gamers are skilled at whipping that screen view around, and picking up any signs of danger. Iraqis are amazed at how observant CROWS is. Iraqis tend to just wrote this off as another example of American "magic." But the troops know better. Video games can save your life.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Technical; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: livedoom; quake; videogames; xbox

1 posted on 03/13/2006 1:12:25 PM PST by strategofr
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To: Gunslingr3

ping


2 posted on 03/13/2006 1:16:43 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: strategofr

3 posted on 03/13/2006 1:17:48 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: strategofr

Now all we need is "HALO" style threat radar in the lower left corner of the screen...


4 posted on 03/13/2006 1:17:53 PM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: strategofr

The Army has a huge online multiplayer first person shooter out for free called America's Army. The file size is almost 1Gig (takes forever to download), but the cd can be picked up at any recruiter's office. It utilizes the same weapons our troops have in the field. You have to go through basic training to play online, and it is tough. This is one of the reasons why we have some of the best soldiers in the world.


5 posted on 03/13/2006 1:18:02 PM PST by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: Gunslingr3
Yeah!!! totally! any adventure simulator can help in the long run!
6 posted on 03/13/2006 1:18:18 PM PST by Reaper FReeper (Sometimes I wonder what ADD is, but than I find myself chasing a butterfly.)
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To: strategofr

More info here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m101-crows.htm


7 posted on 03/13/2006 1:19:25 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: 70times7


I think that may actually exist.


8 posted on 03/13/2006 1:19:29 PM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: ibheath

I thought AA was pretty neat. Got through basic, but the game itself wasn't my cup of tea. I prefer Counterstrike: Source


9 posted on 03/13/2006 1:20:26 PM PST by Crazieman (6-23-2005, Establishment of the United Socialist States of America)
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To: Slicksadick
Good afternoon.

That would look fine on my Bronco. I want one.

Michael Frazier
10 posted on 03/13/2006 1:22:52 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: strategofr

Why have a guy ride in the Hummer? I'd just as soon control it from here. I might have to move the fridge to the computer room...


11 posted on 03/13/2006 1:24:42 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: strategofr
I remember an NCO who used to always go on and on about the laziness and worthlessness of the "Nintendo generation" of soldiers. But oh, how confused he was by our advanced navigation and communication equipment! And he had NO trust in the CROW systems.

After seeing how efforlessly our younger troops and NCO's could navigate, communicate, and defend convoys, he seemed to lighten up a little on all of us young whipper-snappers :)

12 posted on 03/13/2006 1:24:47 PM PST by timm22
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To: brazzaville
Here is what it looks like mounted on a Hummer.
13 posted on 03/13/2006 1:25:11 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Good afternoon.
"I think that may actually exist."

You probably wouldn't need it with night vision, but I believe you are correct.

I'm sure I read something about a system with a motion sensor that reacts to movement.

I'll take one of those as well please.

Michael Frazier
14 posted on 03/13/2006 1:27:55 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Slicksadick


Reminds me of the robo sentries off of the extended version of Aliens 2.


15 posted on 03/13/2006 1:30:08 PM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Slicksadick
Good afternoon.

Yeah, that works. Crank up the assembly line.

Michael Frazier
16 posted on 03/13/2006 1:31:32 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Slicksadick

So...do I shoot the imager, or the ammo belt?


17 posted on 03/13/2006 1:32:17 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ibheath

And if you are over 40, you can't play it. I can never tell who is the enemy or even see them half the time.


18 posted on 03/13/2006 1:33:18 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

Yep just put them on the border in overlapping fire zones, and enjoy. Have the border patrol dropp off additional crates of ammo as needed. :)


19 posted on 03/13/2006 1:34:37 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Reminds me of the robo sentries off of the extended version of Aliens 2.

Ah man those were freaking awesome! I want a bunch of them all around the perimeter of the compound I plan to build someday in Montana.

20 posted on 03/13/2006 1:35:07 PM PST by Shalom Israel (There's a reason cows ain't extinct.)
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To: lepton

Speaking of ammo belt, I would add an auto feed belt line straight from the trunk. Lugging a reload box up to the roof could make someone a nice target.


21 posted on 03/13/2006 1:35:26 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: ibheath

heh ...

Meet me online in AAO (Americas Army) as a.total.nOOb

It is loads of fun; MANY of the players are adults; MANY are vets.

Just getting through 'basic' training is tough. PAssing the SF training was harder. The Medic and Jump training were entertaining. Escape and Evation was boring ...

On some maps you get to fire RPGs and AT-4s. You also get to man the remote gun on a Stryker.

I recommend the game to anyone interested in playing a 'realistic', team-oriented FPS. it is not like BF2 or Wolfenstein that are more like on-line arcade games.


22 posted on 03/13/2006 1:42:38 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: strategofr
Already posted.
23 posted on 03/13/2006 1:43:06 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: AppyPappy

I am well over 50 and play it just fine, TYVM ;-p


24 posted on 03/13/2006 1:44:15 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: 70times7

And a radio that plays the Scarface soundtrack.


25 posted on 03/13/2006 1:44:59 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7

nah, Rammstein (although I have read enough of the lyrics to be glad I don't know what they are saying)


26 posted on 03/13/2006 1:47:47 PM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: Billthedrill

"Why have a guy ride in the Hummer? I'd just as soon control it from here. I might have to move the fridge to the computer room..."

It'll happen when the gaming generation starts developing the weapon systems. Right now the youngster are only the users, but they will be developers soon.


27 posted on 03/13/2006 1:51:02 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: ibheath
Good afternoon.
"...the cd can be picked up at any recruiter's office."

I didn't know that. Thanks, I'll head down there tomorrow.

FPS games helped me recover from a stroke.

I really envy soldiers today. I can't decide whether I like GPS or night vision best. The little man portable UAVs are pretty slick, too, as are modern water purification devices.

Michael Frazier
28 posted on 03/13/2006 1:54:24 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: strategofr

I can't believe I am the first to mention "Ender's War!"


29 posted on 03/13/2006 1:57:20 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Safrguns

ping


30 posted on 03/13/2006 1:59:40 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

I want my Predator and I want it NOW!


31 posted on 03/13/2006 2:02:28 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Crazieman; brazzaville; Blueflag; AppyPappy

I have not been able to get past the frag house at the end of basic. I cannot move fast enough to shoot enough of the bad guys. I have not been able to score high enough to finish basic. I have been playing Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory too much lately. I play on the Old Farts Server (30's and over). Excellent Allies v. Axis/WWII.


32 posted on 03/13/2006 2:08:56 PM PST by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: brazzaville
That would look fine on my Bronco.

And it would look MACHO on my Ford Excurson.

*blows raspberries*

33 posted on 03/13/2006 2:10:58 PM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: ibheath

I'm strictly Call of Duty now. I tried AA but I couldn't see anyone. It's either too dark or they are too far away.


34 posted on 03/13/2006 2:11:15 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ibheath

I've played America's Army. It's no fun killed by a bunch of 13 year old kids. I switched to Far Cry.


35 posted on 03/13/2006 2:20:55 PM PST by opinionator
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To: freedumb2003

"I can't believe I am the first to mention "Ender's War!""

Excellent book and good relevance. To apply the book here: at a certain point, people may be fighting in a war but be deceived about which war they are fighting in.


36 posted on 03/13/2006 2:36:45 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: ibheath
For your MOUT training -- the frag house as you call it. Try this ...

(1) Use the rifle instead of the pistol - you'll reload less.
(2) stay on single fire, not auto
(3) the bad guys are pretty much always in the same spot. Practice makes better.
(3) Unless your are 19 years old, the way to pass 'frag house' training is to make good use of your flash bangs. Every time you throw them into a room, you get extra time. USE your FBs.
(4) remember to turn on your NVGs before you enter the dark room.
(5) Nothing kills your score worse than killing friendlies. LEARN to discriminate -- hats are best clue when u are in a hurry.
(6) Once the horn blows LEAVE the room, don;t keep shooting - it hurts your score.

Good luck and good shooting, soldier ;-)
37 posted on 03/13/2006 2:37:45 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: ibheath

bookmarking for later downloading.


38 posted on 03/13/2006 2:38:38 PM PST by BJClinton (Cubicles are the Fidel Castro of office furniture.)
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To: opinionator

I would bet you that most of the people who killed you are not kids. Kids won't bother to pass the training.


39 posted on 03/13/2006 2:38:52 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: strategofr

If the Army ever develops a remotely controlled robot that is needed for jumping over barrels thrown by a big Gorilla, then I'm their man.


40 posted on 03/13/2006 2:40:37 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
If the Army ever develops a remotely controlled robot that is needed for jumping over barrels thrown by a big Gorilla, then I'm their man.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

41 posted on 03/13/2006 2:45:53 PM PST by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: Blueflag

THANKS! If my wife ever says it is ok to play online games again (got a little crazy with Enemy Territory for awhile -grin- ), I will try that!


42 posted on 03/13/2006 2:49:11 PM PST by ibheath (Born again and grateful to God.)
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To: ibheath

Supposedly the next update of America's Army will have the CROWS system in it, along with vehicles.

The next conflict after Iraq will see CROWS-like systems doing guard duty at bases. And the production cost will plummet once they start using these systems to their full potential.


43 posted on 03/13/2006 3:36:12 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: AppyPappy
Good evening.
"I'm strictly Call of Duty now."

There is a game named Crysis coming out in November from the people who made Far Cry.

I'm betting on it being the new state of the art in the genre.

After that I will be hoping the modding community uses it to do Guadalcanal and to finally do Vietnam right.

Michael Frazier
44 posted on 03/13/2006 4:11:27 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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