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Why Poor Countries Are Poor - The clues lie on a bumpy road leading to the world’s worst library.
Reason ^ | March 2006 | Tim Harford

Posted on 03/13/2006 5:29:56 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem

This reads like one of Pat O'Rourke's travelogues through one or the other circles of Hell without the barbed wit - one can imagine how Mr O'Rourke would describe the new library building in the article.


61 posted on 03/14/2006 9:54:36 PM PST by decal (My name is "decal" and I approve this tagline)
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To: IronJack
"Mixed metaphor aside, Rome didn't have ICBMs, stealth bombers, or satellite communications. The world we have to rule today is a lot smaller than the Roman Empire's was."

Apologies for offering-up the metaphorical cocktail. If you should find yourself with a hangover in the morning, I'll be glad to offer some aspirin.

Rome became a slave to the management of its own empire. It also continually imported trouble from abroad. Roman emperors became increasingly tyrannical over time in their efforts to stifle dissent, and keep the order. It is the problems here, brought on by multi-culturalism and the dilution of our values, that will bring us down if we fail, not trouble in other places.

This is why only nations endure, while empires inevitably fail.

62 posted on 03/14/2006 11:47:10 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: King Prout
"name any other nation which endured continuously for 2000 years."

China.

63 posted on 03/14/2006 11:51:38 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: CowboyJay
The Mongolians might be inclined to disagree.
64 posted on 03/14/2006 11:53:06 PM PST by decal (My name is "decal" and I approve this tagline)
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To: decal

"The Mongolians might be inclined to disagree."

China never officially 'ceased-to-be' as a nation. Mongolia simply installed one of their own as a Dynastic leader. It was still ruled from Beijing, and probably exerted more influence on Mongolia than vice-versa. Yuan era China was both peaceful and prosperous. It was the China that Marco Polo knew, in fact.


65 posted on 03/15/2006 12:42:34 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: neverdem
President Paul Biya came to power in November 1982 and had been in office for 19 years by the time I visited Cameroon. Four years later, he is still in power. He recently described his opponents as “political amateurs”; they are certainly out of practice.

An African of my acquaintance often pointed out that in his society there there was no distinction made between "political opponent" and "enemy".

66 posted on 03/15/2006 1:01:33 AM PST by wideminded
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To: CowboyJay
China.

nope. China was established as a unified nation in the first century and endured more or less as such for about 1000 years before being conquered in its entirety by the Mongols. Subsequent to the breakup of the mongol empire, China fractured into smaller kingdoms and fractious states ruled by warlords. China did not re-emerge as a unified nation until after WWII.

67 posted on 03/15/2006 3:33:35 AM PST by King Prout (DOWN with the class-enemies at Google! LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE'S CUBE!)
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To: neverdem

Cameroon has achieved the socialist/Stalinist ideal that the Democrats and their fellow totalitarians strive their mightiest to impose on us.


68 posted on 03/15/2006 3:49:23 AM PST by KamperKen
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To: King Prout

Not necessarily doubting your conclusions, but seems at odds with the reading I've done. Also depends upon one's definition of a nation, I s'pose. Time to do some more reading. No doubt this will still be a valid topic in a few months.


69 posted on 03/15/2006 4:32:50 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I have yet to read the entire article but I am intrigued by DeSoto's questions, the ones you stated. Could it be that possibly the reason we succedded is because of Christian values. I do not mean to say because we follow Christ and God, we are smiled upon. I mean to say the basic teachings of Christ such as love, trust, forgiveness, and mercy enabled us to expand while others who did not practice these attributes become stagnent. Just my opinion.


70 posted on 03/15/2006 4:42:44 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: CowboyJay
Rome became a slave to the management of its own empire.

What nation isn't a slave to the people it rules?

It also continually imported trouble from abroad.

Certainly it was beset from without, but the provincial troubles seldom made it to the City. Roman governors were plenipotentiary in their administration of their districts, and made good use of that power.

Roman emperors became increasingly tyrannical over time in their efforts to stifle dissent, and keep the order.

Not really. Rome had its share of tyrants, but that was more attributable to decadence and superfluity than to domestic friction.

It is the problems here, brought on by multi-culturalism and the dilution of our values, that will bring us down if we fail, not trouble in other places.

I agree that we need to spend some energy reuniting this country too.

This is why only nations endure, while empires inevitably fail.

Nations fail as well, and empires today stand a pretty good chance of succeeding. In fact, it's arguable that an individual nation today has almost no chance of success in the long term. That's why we're seeing all these economic alliances (NAFTA, the EU) that constitute de facto empires, if not military and cultural, certainly economic.

71 posted on 03/15/2006 5:15:03 AM PST by IronJack
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To: neverdem
Religious charities seem to work best in Africa. They take a scalpel to the problem instead of a sledge hammer. By that I mean they go their with a specific goals, such as taking care of orphans or teaching kids to read or some other limited function. The Libs want to infuse capital directly to the Swiss bank account of any and all dictators.
72 posted on 03/15/2006 5:16:42 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: neverdem
Since technology is widely available and increasingly cheap, this is what economists should expect of every developing country

The use of the term "developing country" is idiotic.

Most places on earth so described are not developing, they are regressing towards barbarism at an alarming rate.

73 posted on 03/15/2006 5:54:03 AM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: IronJack
Wouldn't a better solution be Empire?

Well, yes, but it can't be done.

The lives of Africans were immeasurably better under the Union Jack. If anyone ever writes a before and after book, you will start crying after page 10 and be unable to finish.

However, running the world, and policing it, requires the transformation of society beginning with primary school. The English did as good a job of this as anyone could ever hope for - but within 3 generations they were sick of it.

The short-term price is doable, the long-term price is too high, and if it was too high for the Brits, it's too high for anyone else.

74 posted on 03/15/2006 5:58:41 AM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: neverdem
They call Douala the “armpit of Africa.”

And the competition for the title is vicious.

75 posted on 03/15/2006 5:59:48 AM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: CowboyJay
they will eventually turn to the west for an example of how to do it right

They will eventually turn to the West in an orgy of rape, murder, and destruction because like all low-IQ tribes, they are not able to reason abstractly. (Anyone who remembers the dumb kids in high school remembers that they never came after you looking for tutoring).

Hence, the only emotions they can feel with the West in their faces are shame and rage.

IF we do not conquer and colonize the world, we had better get the hell out.

76 posted on 03/15/2006 6:05:47 AM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Jim Noble
the long-term price is too high

Under the Iron Jack, there would be no long-term price. The goal is not to police the world, at least not indefinitely. It is to expose the world to the utility of Western values, to incorporate those values into failing societies, and to release those societies to their own rulership once that is completed.

It is an endeavor more evangelistic than imperial.

77 posted on 03/15/2006 6:26:37 AM PST by IronJack
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To: truemiester
The Libs want to infuse capital directly to the Swiss bank account of any and all dictators.

Good point.

78 posted on 03/15/2006 6:33:44 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: IronJack
It is an endeavor more evangelistic than imperial.

The great Christian missionaries needed the regiments within 20 years.

It's amazing we have lasted as long as we have, with unarmed kids and businessmen - but now, we have to fight to keep it all, and we (mostly) don't have the stomach for it.

79 posted on 03/15/2006 6:40:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Jim Noble

"Hence, the only emotions they can feel with the West in their faces are shame and rage."

I personally prefer we not supply them with the means to wage effective warfare (political, economic, or military). The shame and rage will always be there (even if we do modernize their countries for them). We obviously need to maintain bases overseas. Without might, all the shame and rage in the world amount to no real threat against us. This nation-building/empire game we're playing is dangerous.


80 posted on 03/15/2006 7:39:27 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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