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Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?
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Posted on 03/14/2006 5:58:55 PM PST by Louisiana

Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?

Consider this:

Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; musilim; muslims; patriotism
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To: gpapa
First, there is some evidence that Muslims originally prayed toward Jerusalem, not Mecca. Second, you can play the same game with Christianity and Judaism. I can point you to any number of atheist web sites that list dozens of peculiar things about passages in the Bible. What's a Nephelim, for example? Third, do some reading concerning Biblical archaeology. They've found statue pairs of Yahweh (God) with a Consort (goddess) in digs in Israel. There is evidence of pagan influences on Biblican stories. The same sorts of claims about the origins of buildings and practices have been made about Judaism and Christianity. Just tune into any Creationist vs. Evolutionist thread on Free Republic to see how many people, even here, think the Bible is full of hokum.

Ultimately, these are all legitimate complaints and issues to raise concerning Islam. But they have almost nothing to do with the point of this thread, which concerns whether Muslims can be good patriotic Americans.

121 posted on 03/14/2006 8:37:54 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Louisiana

This is the oath of allegiance for citizenship for the United States:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."


You get back to the Is God the same as Allah question.

....and so it goes.


122 posted on 03/14/2006 8:39:39 PM PST by Delta 21 ( Democrats -- a 40 year war on poverty and still no exit strategy)
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To: marron
A committed Christian, will always put his allegiance to God first.

Half right. A committed Christian renders to God the things that are God's, and to Caesar the things that are the Caesar's. A Christian can be in the world and not be of the world.

A committed Christian also allow others their beliefs consistent with full civil rights. A committed Muslim in an Islamic country has a real problem with that.

Individual Muslims might be fine, friendly, patriotic people and good neighbors. However, there is no moral equivalence between Islam and Christianity in terms of the freedoms people enjoy in countries dominated by each belief system. If we have learned nothing since 9/11, we have learned that.

123 posted on 03/14/2006 8:40:48 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: OKIEDOC
The whole "mind blowing" part of your post seems to make no point but to insult...so I'll chalk that up to a loss for you.

You also say that most Americans points of view are formed from a 2 minute soundbytes of crazies cutting off heads...instead actually experiencing Arab culture.
There we agree.
124 posted on 03/14/2006 8:43:21 PM PST by Blackirish (What kind of name is Plame anyway?)
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To: Cruz
Basically you can not trust them. They may be productive citizens for decades, they may even have been born here, hard workers, perhaps they are good husbands and fathers..... but you never REALLY know if one day they are going to go psycho and try to kill tens, hundreds, or thousands of "infidels" in the name of Allah.

You can never really know if any person is a sociopath just waiting to kill tens, hundreds, or thousands of "infidels". How do you know that any person, regardless of their religion, is not a mass murderer? Do you really think the BTK killer was attending a mosque instead of a church? Remember, they found the damning evidence that caught him on his church's computer. How do you really know that somebody in your own church isn't the next BTK killer? Do you think one needs to be a Muslim to be a liar?

125 posted on 03/14/2006 8:44:36 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: do the dhue
We have Tim McVay and the likes

Proper spelling and context wins points. This post exhibits neither.

Khalig Shake Mohammad,

I repeat myself with regard to spelling and context.

The ungrateful French are lucky they are not speaking German or English right now.

Die Franzosen sprechen sehr korrekte deutsche Sprache. Dieses ist Tatsache. And English is spoken at all air traffic control, especially Paris.

And so should respect, and honor, and dignity, and integrity.

Theory and reality. In theory, these precepts are honorable. In fact, reciprocity of these principles does not exist.

126 posted on 03/14/2006 8:44:41 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: Louisiana

Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?

I don't know, why don't you ask Cpl. Mohammed N. Rahman USMC.

Columbus, Ohio, native, Sunni Muslim fights in Global War on Terrorism (as a MARINE!)
Marine Corps News ^ | July 27, 2005 | Cpl. Ken Melton
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1451921/posts

Maybe not the stupidest thing I've read today, but I'd put it in the top ten.


127 posted on 03/14/2006 8:46:34 PM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: pollyannaish

If Christianity headed in a different way...so can Islam.

Why did Christianity head in a different way?

How could Islam do the same?


128 posted on 03/14/2006 8:46:58 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Blackirish
If you believe Islam is just dandy and no different from Christianity or atheism, would you be willing to emigrate to an Islamic country? Why or why not?

I realize it is a purely academic question because, unless you were a Muslim, you would not be allowed to even if you wanted to.

129 posted on 03/14/2006 8:47:16 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Question_Assumptions

Well then obviously he wasn't a REAL Muslim.
/sarcasm


130 posted on 03/14/2006 8:48:18 PM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: philetus

Very good question. Do you have an answer?


131 posted on 03/14/2006 8:50:40 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Jeff Gordon

See reply #127


132 posted on 03/14/2006 8:51:46 PM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: Louisiana

You are so dead wrong it borders on racism, which I consider the domain of intellectually challenged individuals. At best you may just be ignorant. For that I hope.
To say that one's belief in a deity nessecarily supersedes their nationism or clouds their mind to basic freedoms is myopic. The overwhelming majority of Muslims practice their faith with the understanding that others do not believe the same way. If they are first or second generation Americans then they understand the importance of freedom better than most of us that grew up with out a secret police dragging our family members out in the middle of the night.
I hate radical islam. I think there are certain people in this world that should be ripped from their hiding holes and have their nervous system shut down. At this point they have become the most powerful and most radical voice of islam.
Islam is about 1300 years old. When the Catholic church was 1300 years old it had hijacked control of Dark Ages europe. It repressed science and executed the infidels as it pleased. Would it be just to have wiped out Christianity in Europe at that point because a radical core controled actions on behalf of millions?

P.S. Not even putting on the flame vest..


133 posted on 03/14/2006 8:51:56 PM PST by When do we get liberated? ((God save us from the whining, useless, irrelevent left...))
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To: pollyannaish

Which one?


134 posted on 03/14/2006 8:52:23 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Radix

See reply 127


135 posted on 03/14/2006 8:52:46 PM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: philetus
Muslims always have.

Check your history books. Notice that there communities of Christians, Jews, and even Zoroastrians in Egypt, Iraq, Iran, and elsewhere in the Muslim worlds for centuries that are only being exterminated or pushed out in the past century or two. Muslims managed to rule large hunks of India without killing all the Hindus. Heck those Buddhist statues in Afghanistan stood for centuries until the nutty Taliban blew them up. Why? Because Islam was not always as militant or murderous as parts of it are right now. Wahabbism is a big part of the problem. Lebanon, a country of both Christian and Muslim, was considered the Rivera of the Middle East before the anti-Israel militants moved in and destroyed the country. Muslims can be good neighbors, as many Muslims in the US, UK, and elsewhere who have no interest in Sharia or terrorism show.

136 posted on 03/14/2006 8:54:39 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Valin
I'll tell you what is more ignorant. It is people who have this asinine blindness to the obvious who believe that Islam is just another harmless fungible belief system that is no better and no worse than Christianity, Buddhism, atheism, or Hinduism. It is drastically different, and it is dangerous and virulently aggressive in ways the others are not.

This doesn't mean that individual Muslims can't be good people, good neighbors, or good soldiers, but it does mean you better hope they stay in the minority because everywhere they have gained a majority they have snuffed out individual freedoms and denied others equal treatment under the law.

137 posted on 03/14/2006 8:55:35 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
I think Japanese culture has a lot to offer and is perfectly valid. I have no desire to live under that culture. All cultures have trade-offs. But I would also contrast the more militant Islamic governments of the current Middle East with, for example, pre-Hezbollah Lebanon or the Shah's Iran. What the Middle East has now is simply a snapshot in time and not the only way it has to be.
138 posted on 03/14/2006 8:57:53 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
Show me Christians emigrating to the peace, freedom, and security of Islamic countries and I'll believe you have a claim to make.

It's all one way: Muslims to the west, not the other way round. There's a reason for this. We ignore it at our peril.

139 posted on 03/14/2006 8:58:44 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: When do we get liberated?
You are so dead wrong it borders on racism

No need to don the asbestos suit. One the racism card is played, the game is called. Thanks for playing, and the consolation gifts are complimentary.

140 posted on 03/14/2006 8:59:31 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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