Well said, Master Jedi.
Posted on 03/14/2006 5:58:55 PM PST by Louisiana
Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?
Consider this:
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country.
Sorry to ruin your rant, but Yes.
Allah is NOT a moon god.
Now, if posters who want to trash Islam would limit their trashing to the religion and its adherents, I don't have a problem, but they step off the planet in showing their ignorance with the "moon god" stuff every single time.
Tell you what Sparky, while you are in Dubai at the Intercontinental Hotel with American subsidized security, perusing the Gulf News while your Arabic masters blow smoke up your @ss; remember that you can not travel freely, speak freely, and worship as you wish. Meanwhile America does not have "foreign tourist restricted zones"; complete with 51% investment requirements. We will leave the light on for you. As a matter of fact, if the American lifestyle is so xenophobic and bigoted; truck your carcass over there permanently. They are good compassionate people that have YOUR best interest at heart.
Nope. Someone made a big deal about Iraqi children having a picture of President Bush, and California children being denied this patriotic requirement.
I agree. It is appalling.
I thought Ilah was the word for god in Arabic, or am I wrong?
We used to hear the same crap about Catholics and Jews in this country -- Catholics are loyal to Rome, Jews to Israel, etc.
Take your garbage elsewhere. Free Republic is not the city dump.
Currently, this is true. But historically, there have been periods when Christians killed plenty of people based on their religious beliefs, not only non-Christians, the Cathars, and plenty of Jews but also Christians who belonged to a different sect. Does the 30 Years War or St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre ring a bell?
Some Muslims do kill people, and cite passages in the Koran to justify their actions.
Plenty of Christians did that, too. Ask some Jews why they were so touchy about The Passion and ask Mel Gibson why he removed the Biblical line "Let his blood be on us and on our children!" [NIV] from the movie.
It's true that Christians got over that sort of nonsense, but it took centuries. The question is whether Islam can. Ignoring the question of whether Islam is right or wrong or whether they'd all be better off as Christians, I think there is evidence that it can and ways that it can, though not if militants continue to control the face of the religion.
The Koran states that Abraham, Moses and Jesus of the bible were Muslims. Quite a feat since Islam was founded 600+ years after Jesus was born. But that is OK since Islam's "prophet" Mohammed says the Koran was written before Abraham, and even Adam & Eve were born, The Koran was not written down in words until 300+ years after Mohammed died. Prior to that time it was related verbally from memory. Also conveniently omitted from the Koran are the Ten Commandments, which makes the story of Moses in the Bible completely false.
Consider this passage in the Bible. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." [KJV] Yet if Jesus was born in Bethlehem, how could he have pre-existed the creation of the Earth? What Muslims believe about the Koran is very similar to what Christians believe about Jesus. As for disputing the Bible, there are plenty of Archaeologists who not only dispute the Bible stories but doubt, based on the evidence they've found, that Moses ever existed or the Exodus ever happened. Yes, the Koran disputes the Bible on several key points. That, alone, is not surprising nor necessarily damning as an argument.
There is no verifiable evidence to determine that events described in the Koran are accurate. There are thousands of historical documents and other evidence validating events, dates, names and places in the Bible.
There are plenty of archaeologists that dispute that. For example, the mainstream of Biblical archaeology seems to be having a very difficult time finding the kingdom of David and Solomon that the Bible claims existed. It has trouble finding evidence of the Exodus. If I remember correctly, the contemporary non-Biblical evidence for Jesus consists of two sentences in Josephus and even they may have been tampered with by later Christians and the earliest New Testament texts that we have not only date to quite a bit after Jesus' life (some think much later than the optimistic dates often cited) but there are alternate versions of the Gospels such as the Thomas Gospel that parallel some of the material in the Bible but were suppressed. Even though there are also those who do believe the evidence supports the Bible (and I personally do more than some of the real pessimists who sometimes go so far as to claim that the whole thing was just made up), the point is that it's not nearly as clearly validated as you are claiming it is.
There can also be differences in pronunciation depending on what brand of Arabic you are using. The neighbors across the way speak with a Jerusalem accent. The folks across the street from them are from Baghdad and they speak it differently enough that communication beyond casual talk becomes limited (hence, they all use English around here).
We have a lady from Pakistan around here who is an Arabic language scholar ~ she could add to this ~ may ask her so I have a more complex answer available next time the issue comes up.
HUM!!!!!!!!!so the mystery tightens.................
It's easy to read too much into the name of God. El, a common name for God in the Bible (El-ijah, Isra-el, etc.), was a Canaanite God, too. And there are people who point out that Elohim is plural to suggest that the early Israelites weren't monotheists (also supported by the archaeological evidence which have turned up, among other things, a pair of male and female statues marked as being "Yahweh and his Consort". There are those who think that Yahweh and El(ohim) were originally two Gods, one a Canaanite Fire God and the other the head of the Canaanite pantheon "El".
Then why haven't they embraced Christianity? They simply cannot be both.
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That is the most depressing thing that I have read in weeks.
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the only hope to force reform in their homelands."
While I welcome reform in Islam, you can not reform Islam and have it still be Islam.
You will need to re-write the Koran.
"Tell you what Sparky, while you are in Dubai at the Intercontinental Hotel with American subsidized security, perusing the Gulf News while your Arabic masters blow smoke up your @ss; remember that you can not travel freely, speak freely, and worship as you wish"
"Heck, I know a Muslim that votes Libertarian."
How do you know this? Do you go into the voting booth with him?
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