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To: Diana in Wisconsin

How Voter Fraud in Philadelphia Affect Us All

By 2banana


According to CNN, Bush lost Pennsylvania to Kerry by 144,248 votes (out of more than 5.7 million cast - a razor thin margin that was even closer than the "too close to call" Ohio vote).

Also according to CNN, Kerry received about 542,000 votes and Bush received about 130,000 votes in Philadelphia (or a ratio of 4.16 for Kerry).

Now, for the really interesting numbers. According to the recent US Census, the Population of Philadelphia that is of voting age is 1,105,066. This number includes people who by law can not vote (non-American citizens, felons, out of state college students, etc.). In 2004, there were 1,035,395 registered voters in Philadelphia, up 34,000 from 2001.

So, what does this mean?

First, even as Philadelphia looses population, the number of registered voters continues to increase, year after year. Today, in Philadelphia, nearly 100% of every person of voting age must registered to vote (as compared to a national average of 60% by the Census Bureau). Consider, since 1995, Philadelphia's voter rolls have jumped 24 percent while at the same time that the city's population has declined by 13 percent.

Second, the total lopsidedness of the 4.16 ratio is an absolutely astounding number - even heavily democratic Broward Country, FL (one of the only places Gore wanted recounted in 2000) only went for Kerry 2:1 and Cook County, IL (Chicago - THE definition of the democrat voting machine) only went for Kerry 2.5:1.

Either Philadelphia has the most engaged and civic population in the history of the World, or there is massive voter fraud.

And the amount of fraud easily exceeds the margin of loss of President Bush. For instance, if the registration was above average and if Philadelphia was just your "average-democrat-rustbelt-city-union-stronghold with a 50 year democrat political machine," the vote for Kerry in Philadelphia would have been just over 350,000. The voter fraud in Philadelphia is worth about 150,000 votes - a deficit that any Republican running for statewide office must overcome with real votes.

But is this "real" fraud or is it one of the easily predicted "unintended consequences" of the Clinton Motor-Voter Law? A few nights before the 2004 presidential election, Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman, Andrea Mitchell and the Mayor of Philadelphia (John Street) were on Hardball. They were all laughing away about how the election was great for the economy of Philadelphia, and suggesting that there would plenty of "street money" around to "get out the vote." And these are the same people who are going to stop or report any kind of voter fraud?

I find it ironic that a country like Afghanistan (where I had combat tour of duty), with no history of democracy, has a country wide and nearly fraud free election under the oversight of us - Americans. But we instituted a few rules like - you had to prove you are an Afghan, you had to get a voter ID, show the voter ID when you voted, your name had to match the voter roll, and you had to get your thumb stamped by permanent ink so you couldn't vote twice.

Maybe, one day, in Philadelphia, we will have free and fair elections with a minimum of fraud on the level of the recent vote in Afghanistan.


3 posted on 03/15/2006 7:14:19 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: 2banana

While I hate to quote 'She Who Shall Not Be Named' all I can say is, "...and you KNOW what I'm talkin' about!" ;)


7 posted on 03/15/2006 7:16:17 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: 2banana
Did anything every happen with the Philadelphia voting machine that started with votes on it in 2004? There was a lot of buzz about it election day and maybe the day following, but then the story disappeared.
8 posted on 03/15/2006 7:18:31 AM PST by KarlInOhio (The tree of liberty is getting awfully parched.)
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To: 2banana
This is an old article, but one that should be read by anyone who has not seen it:

How Democrats Steal Elections (World Net Daily Dec. 2000)

14 posted on 03/15/2006 7:24:40 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Well, Kerry did win the exit polls.)
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To: 2banana

Philadelphia, just one city of how many?


15 posted on 03/15/2006 7:25:59 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: 2banana

Let's add that Fast Eddie Rendell, former Mayor of Philadelphia and current Governor of Pennsylvania, has threatened to veto legislation that would require voters to produce id at the polls.


22 posted on 03/15/2006 7:38:09 AM PST by mak5
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To: 2banana

Where are the Senate Hearings on the voter fraud in Philly and Wisconsin? Come on, Republicans, lift up the rock and watch the little Democrat insects scurry.

Show some stones, Senator Frist.


23 posted on 03/15/2006 7:41:14 AM PST by GianniV
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To: 2banana

Fraud like this is why Gore "won" the popular vote in 2000.


24 posted on 03/15/2006 7:42:28 AM PST by libstripper
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To: 2banana
Either Philadelphia has the most engaged and civic population in the history of the World, or there is massive voter fraud.

Let me think about that for .0000000000001 seconds.

30 posted on 03/15/2006 7:47:24 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: 2banana
Every city controlled by democrats engages in massive voter fraud.

Philly, Pittsburgh, Newark, Camden, Detroit, just move across the country and you can bet that fraudulent votes were added to the count in every blue city.

The dems are screaming about the new voting machines because it makes cheating at the polling booth that much more difficult.

No way to come running in with a bag full of votes if the blue candidate is losing.

35 posted on 03/15/2006 7:52:32 AM PST by OldFriend (HELL IS TOO GOOD FOR OUR MAINSTREAM MEDIA)
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To: 2banana
In 2004 Kerry won Milwaukee County, 297,653 to Bush's 180,287, a difference of over 117,000 votes. Kerry won the state by 11,384. In 2000, Gore won the state by 5,708 votes. In Milwaukee County, Gore won 252,329 to 163,491, a difference of 88,838.

If you believe these numbers, Kerry received 45,000 more votes than Gore (an 18% increase) and Bush only increased his votes by about 17,000 votes (about 10%) in Milwaukee County. In both elections Milwaukee provided the difference for narrow victories by the Dems.

Usually, the way it works in places like Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, and Milwaukee is that the Dems wait for the rest of the state to come in and then figure out how many votes they need to win and manufacture them.

Voter fraud is the biggest threat to our democracy and it will only get worse as the Dems become more desperate. The Dems are really the urban party.

38 posted on 03/15/2006 7:56:44 AM PST by kabar
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To: 2banana
At one time, I believed that voter fraud more-or-less balanced out. Inasmuch as we dislike admitting it, there are plenty of dishonest and/or stupid Republicans out there, as well (although, not nearly as many as the idiots on DU would like to think, lol).

But, I am truly astounded by your statistics. What I find even more bothersome is that no one in Philly appears to want to do anything about it.

I'd be curious to see stats on other, traditionally liberal urban areas. And, I'd be just as curious to see stats on traditionally conservative urban areas (Texas, maybe? I imagine that there aren't many....)

52 posted on 03/15/2006 9:08:47 AM PST by wbill
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Thoughts on Philly's voter turnout?


70 posted on 03/16/2006 12:56:21 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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