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Oriana Fallaci asks: Is Muslim immigration to Europe a conspiracy?
LA Weekly ^ | Wednesday, March 15, 2006 | BRENDAN BERNHARD

Posted on 03/16/2006 11:00:36 AM PST by Leisler

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1 posted on 03/16/2006 11:00:39 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Leisler

Oriana Fallaci has got more cojones than most of the "men" in Europe.

Yes, Muslim immigration and their birth rates are a conspiracy to destroy Western civilization.

There's a vast leftwing and Islamofascist conspriracy and war against the West, Israel, the Jews and America going on.


2 posted on 03/16/2006 11:04:37 AM PST by garyhope (In vino veritas. Ars longa, vita brevis, too brevis.)
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To: Leisler

Bump.


3 posted on 03/16/2006 11:04:42 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Leisler
Oriana Fallaci asks: Is Muslim immigration to Europe a conspiracy Conscious Plan?

Yes

4 posted on 03/16/2006 11:04:46 AM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Leisler

Mark for later read.


5 posted on 03/16/2006 11:06:13 AM PST by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Leisler

Europe is always surprised by creeping incrementalism. WWI & WWII. They notice things happening, but let them slide until it's too late to effectively do anything. They never recognize the cumulative effect quietly building right under their noses. Or if they do, they aren't interested, or able to act.


6 posted on 03/16/2006 11:07:25 AM PST by Sax
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To: Leisler

"the preeminence of Christianity on the Continent..."

snicker


7 posted on 03/16/2006 11:08:08 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Leisler
I'm awaiting the final volume in her Islam trilogy, "The Apocalypse." It has not yet been translated into English and Fallaci writes as good in her second tongue as she does in her native Italian.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

8 posted on 03/16/2006 11:11:15 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Leisler
Oriana bump


9 posted on 03/16/2006 11:14:16 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Leisler

I am not entirely sure Fallaci isn't correct in the implication concerning a "moderate" Moslem, but not having the actual text (yet) I'll refrain from comment. In any case this one sounds like a keeper. BTT.


10 posted on 03/16/2006 11:15:06 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Leisler

Europe takes in Muslims so they can keep getting Arab oil and we do the same with Mexico.


11 posted on 03/16/2006 11:15:30 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Peach

PING


12 posted on 03/16/2006 11:16:45 AM PST by Txsleuth (Bush-Bot;WaterBucket Brigader;and fan of defconw;Cboldt is my mentor!)
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To: garyhope

They are doing in Europe what they want to do here...just infiltrate every aspect of American's lives...and "take over".

Seems that it may BE too late for Europe..unless they start siding with US, instead of the terrorist's states.


13 posted on 03/16/2006 11:18:40 AM PST by Txsleuth (Bush-Bot;WaterBucket Brigader;and fan of defconw;Cboldt is my mentor!)
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To: goldstategop

It ought to include a section that details the West's feminine response to threats such as Islam. We respond more like a battered woman who thinks submission and feeling guilty over the perpetrators own problems then like real men who take care of business.


14 posted on 03/16/2006 11:21:16 AM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid! Liberals, Jihadis and the Mexican elite all deserving of "preemption.")
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To: Leisler

Pretty good posting. Which again supports the decision by George Bush to fight this threat by promoting freedom throughout the world. IF there is freedom to speak, the women of the muslim world will rise up from their own suppression.

It's funny that the liberal left, democratic party and MSM and even the right wing (hands offs the Muslims) mentality does not see the threat.


15 posted on 03/16/2006 11:21:42 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: Leisler

Articles like this make me a bit less distressed by our large numbers of Mexican illegal immigrants. At least they are Christians who feel no religious imperative to kill us.


16 posted on 03/16/2006 11:29:22 AM PST by Altair333 (We can build a wall on our border with Mexico for 10 billion dollars)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

ping


17 posted on 03/16/2006 11:32:08 AM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: nikos1121

"liberal left, democratic party and MSM and even the right wing ..."

I don't hear any of these telling us what their plan is on dealing with Islam, either at home, or abroad....eager to criticize..but what do they propose?

As a conservative, I think GWB is pretty much a disaster on the domestic front as a President, except for judges.

But I think he's dead right in his foreign policy....even where they drop they ball, that doesn't phase me much because at least he's thinking ahead and protecting American interests well into the future. None of his foreign policy critics can even offer anything constructive in that regard. This article makes me glad once again that neither of those fools Gore or Kerry were elected....

Now if we could just find a domestic conservative to carry on with the GWB foreign policy, we will be doing quite well....


18 posted on 03/16/2006 11:34:53 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Leisler

“Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes,” he said.

Perfect description.


19 posted on 03/16/2006 11:35:19 AM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Leisler

Europes destruction of its Jewish population during WWII, and its continuing anti semitism and anti Israeli bias is a great help in its becoming Eurabia.


20 posted on 03/16/2006 11:36:12 AM PST by Frank_N_Sense (Whose DNA stain is on Hillary's blue dress?)
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To: Txsleuth

It's a deliberate plan on the part of Muslims. Before we know it, they'll have congressional seats and a Koran in every hotel room bedside drawer.

Obama is a Muslim, so they're off to a pretty good start.


21 posted on 03/16/2006 11:38:24 AM PST by Peach
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To: satchmodog9

So the Arabs will quit selling them oil if they stop Muslim immigration?

And teh Mexis will turn off the spigot if we build a fence?

LOL!


22 posted on 03/16/2006 11:40:46 AM PST by Sometimes A River (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031)
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To: Acts 2:38

Just stirring the pot. Makes as much sense as anything the feds tell us. Cheap labor my ass.


23 posted on 03/16/2006 11:44:06 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Leisler

BTTT


24 posted on 03/16/2006 11:45:27 AM PST by aculeus
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To: ConservativeDude

I don't disagree with anything you say. I like the idea of him taking the initiative to educate the American people. THe main thing that riles me about him is his failure to talk to the AMerican people continually.

These are big time issues where hard boiled thinking is needed. The other side offers nothing except threats of impeachment, censure etc.


25 posted on 03/16/2006 11:45:33 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: satchmodog9

Mutliculturalists are self-loathers who despise the West. That is probably a large reason why they are all for unlimited thrid-world immigraton.

Of course, on top of cheap labor, it means consumers with cash too.

What business doesn't like consumers with cash?


26 posted on 03/16/2006 11:46:57 AM PST by Sometimes A River (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031)
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To: Leisler

I have a feeling that we are not hearing the true voice of the average European. My husband had some businessmen from Norway visiting last week, and they said that the feelings toward the Muslims was very bad in Norway.


27 posted on 03/16/2006 11:48:01 AM PST by Eva
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To: Sax

Europeans are not able to act, or even voice their displeasure with the Mohammedan hordes, lest they be charged and convicted of a Hate Crime.


28 posted on 03/16/2006 11:49:22 AM PST by Sometimes A River (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031)
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To: garyhope
Yes, Muslim immigration and their birth rates are a conspiracy to destroy Western civilization. There's a vast leftwing and Islamofascist conspriracy and war against the West, Israel, the Jews and America going on.

Whats alarming is the level to which the 'right' has accepted the conspirators' premise & language that has effectively blinded the west and is preventing them from doing anything to protect itself.

For example Rush's recent adaptation (apparently without pausing to recognize the irony of it being one of his opponents' favorite tactics) of the anti-arab race card.

This kind of tactic needs to be respectfully shoved right back in the user's face if we hope to reverse the slow islamitization of the west.

30 posted on 03/16/2006 12:00:41 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Peach

You and I are so totally on the same wavelength.

I don't want to be like Fallacci, and look around 10 years from now...and wonder how we let it become Amerabia.


31 posted on 03/16/2006 12:08:40 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bush-Bot;WaterBucket Brigader;and fan of defconw;Cboldt is my mentor!)
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To: Leisler
Goings on in Norway

Krekar threatens Norway Norway's most controversial refugee has lodged a threat against the country that has hosted him and his family for the past 14 years. Mullah Krekar calls his possible deportation "an offense" that shouldn't go unpunished.

Oslo newspaper Aftenposten reported Tuesday that Krekar, in an interview with Arab TV station Al-Jazeera, vowed he will never go along with a deportation order issued by Norwegian authorities. Cabinet Minister Erna Solberg initially ordered him sent out of the country in February 2003, calling Krekar a threat to national security.

Krekar fled Iraq in the early 1990s and landed in Norway in 1991. He later, however, started travelling back to northern Iraq, where he played a key role in building up the guerrilla group known as Ansar al-Islam.

Now Krekar claims he faces torture and a death sentence if the Norwegian authorities send him back to Iraq. He told Al-Jazeera, therefore, that "everyone must know" that a deportation to Iraq "is an offense that shouldn't be made without punishment."

Krekar wasn't specific, however, about what kind of punishment he thinks Norway should receive if a court upholds Solberg's deportation order.

"I have faith in Allah," Krekar told Al-Jazeera in the text of the interview dated August 31. "I defend my rights in their court just like Western people defend their rights. I am patient like they are patient. But if my patience runs out, I will react like Orientals do."

Asked how "Orientals" react, Krekar said: "I don't want to comment on that."

Allah's pardon In the interview, Krekar also seemed to attack Solberg personally. "How can a politician play with my life to satisfy her adolescent political visions," he asked.

Krekar also spoke positively about suspected terrorist leader Osama bin Laden and developments in the Muslim world. "The whole world must see that Jihad... is increasing in its scope with Allah's pardon," he said. "This trend represents solidarity in the Muslim community."

He added that he thinks "Jihadists" won't ease up "until they see Islam's house equipped with Saladins sable, Mohammed's conquering turban and Osama bin Laden's vision." He thus combined three important symbols used by Islamic extremists.

Remarks downplayed Krekar's Norwegian defense attorney Brynjar Meling downplayed the significance of Krekar's claims in the Al-Jazeera interview, saying they didn't amount to threats and contained nothing new. He declined further comment, though, until he had conferred with his client.

Solberg, meanwhile, responded that "no one can threaten their way into obtaining permanent residence in Norway." She maintains that a new constitution and government in Iraq, with guarantees that Krekar won't be executed, are expected to clear the way for Krekar's expulsion.

Aftenposten English Web Desk More on this POS, here.

32 posted on 03/16/2006 12:11:14 PM PST by Leisler (Mein Kampf for Nazis, Koran for Islam.)
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To: Leisler

In 1974, Boumedienne, the former President of Algeria, said in a speech at the U.N.:

"One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere to go to the northern hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory."


33 posted on 03/16/2006 12:14:41 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: junta
It ought to include a section that details the West's feminine response to threats such as Islam. We respond more like a battered woman who thinks submission and feeling guilty over the perpetrators own problems then like real men who take care of business.

Feminine response? I'm as girly as they come and my 'feminine' response to threats has never included submission or guilt. Why don't you try liberal vs. conservative? It's more accurate and it has the added benefit of not insulting those of us gals who would happily smite every islamonut on the planet.

34 posted on 03/16/2006 12:29:23 PM PST by Mordacious
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To: satchmodog9
Europe takes in Muslims so they can keep getting Arab oil and we do the same with Mexico.

Not exactly Faustian bargains, but close enough.

35 posted on 03/16/2006 12:34:08 PM PST by Mordacious
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To: Altair333
Articles like this make me a bit less distressed by our large numbers of Mexican illegal immigrants. At least they are Christians who feel no religious imperative to kill us.

Questionable. What if they're mostly anti-white racists who feel a nationalistic imperative to kill us? Just asking.

36 posted on 03/16/2006 12:35:04 PM PST by Rytwyng (...and the hurster says, less guvmint.)
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To: Leisler

“advance step by step. Millimeter by millimeter. Year after year. Decade after decade. Determined, stubborn, patient. This is our strategy. A strategy that we shall expand throughout the whole planet.”

May be the only sensible thing I've heard out of the mouth of a Muslim.


37 posted on 03/16/2006 12:42:44 PM PST by bkepley
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I am stunned this was published in such a Left Coast left-leaning publication. Wow!


38 posted on 03/16/2006 12:47:26 PM PST by La Enchiladita (United we stand, divided we fall.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; TheSpottedOwl; ZULU

Eurabia-Islamofascism ping


39 posted on 03/16/2006 12:48:51 PM PST by La Enchiladita (United we stand, divided we fall.)
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To: nikos1121

"THe main thing that riles me about him is his failure to talk to the AMerican people continually.

These are big time issues where hard boiled thinking is needed. The other side offers nothing except threats of impeachment, censure etc."

yes, indeed...GWB should work harder at convincing us - just as did FDR, Churchill, RR in previous times. That's part of the job.

As for the Dems....what can one say. A legitimate opposition party is a good thing. But a know-nothing party who simply says that everything the Pres does is wrong, especially in a time of war, is useless...actually it is treasonous.

EVEN IF it were somehow true that GWB was totally wrong on this, they should keep their *&*$%^ traps shut to not harm the country. That's asking too much of them, though.



40 posted on 03/16/2006 12:50:10 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Leisler
Fallaci speaks for the ordinary reader. There is no one she despises more than the intellectual “cicadas,” as she calls them — “You see them every day on television; you read them every day in the newspapers” — who deny they are in the midst of a cultural, political and existential war with Islam,

We call them "pundits!" LOL.

41 posted on 03/16/2006 12:50:55 PM PST by La Enchiladita (United we stand, divided we fall.)
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To: Acts 2:38

I thought that made no sense as well.

This has more with the EU elitists wanting cheap labor to keep their socialist utopia alive.






42 posted on 03/16/2006 12:52:46 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Leisler
Must reading for everyone who doesn't want to be a dhimmi:

"Jihad In The West" by Paul Fregosi


Not an easy read, but makes it clear what is down the road for
those who don't fight back and win.
43 posted on 03/16/2006 12:59:41 PM PST by VOA
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To: La Enchiladita
Don't be too suprised - judging from a few articles that I've read this month, it looks like gays in America, of all people, are starting to get really nervous about this.

They know that under sharia, the jig is up. When we see an episode of "Will and Grace" dealing with a gay in a mosque, then we'll know that the battle has been joined . . .
44 posted on 03/16/2006 1:07:01 PM PST by horse_doc
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To: ConservativeDude

Agreed. I just read Dick Morris' latest article and he says the same thing.

Please see: http://www.vote.com/magazine/columns/dickmorris/column60382794.phtml


45 posted on 03/16/2006 1:09:36 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: Peach; Calpernia; ConservativeDude
Kind of.

I actually think Sunnunu is much closer to being a Muslim than his colleague from Illinois.

Obama kind of reminds me of Roger Green, who'll deny to his dying day that he's a practicing Muslim, at least, in public.

Considering that this is New York City, I can't say I blame him.

46 posted on 03/16/2006 1:11:57 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Leisler

This guy is a prime example of why europe will become Eurabia.

The muslim hordes have learned to use the european human rights laws and take full advantage of its justice system to protect them. The socialists & multiculturists help them every step of the way. The same self-rightous socailists who bashed Schwartzenegger because he didn't stop the execution of murder and gang leader, Tookie Williams. Its these morons who are giving the muslims the keys to the city.

All they have to do is claim they will be tortured and killed if deported back to their home countries. Have the europeans ever stopped to say, "Why would you be killed if you went back there?"
Europeans human rights laws protect them while at the same time, they seek out the destruction of europe.

Europe has become a dumping ground for the worst psychotic muslim criminals and terrorists. People so foul, they are kicked out of hellholes like Libya and Sudan. But when they arrive, the europeans treat them as "refugees" looking for a better life.

What a mess.


47 posted on 03/16/2006 1:15:46 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: horse_doc

Good point!


48 posted on 03/16/2006 1:24:10 PM PST by La Enchiladita (United we stand, divided we fall.)
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To: Leisler
Question: Is Muslim Immigration to Europe a Conspiracy?

Answer: YES!

49 posted on 03/16/2006 1:27:15 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Acts 2:38
And the Mexis will turn off the spigot if we build a fence?

That's no joke. We get most of our imported oil from Canada - 1.768 million barrels a day. Our second biggest oil supplier is Mexico with 1.701 million barrels a day. We get much more oil from Canada & Mexico than we do from the Arab countries.

I'd be willing to bet most Americans are not aware of this.

50 posted on 03/16/2006 1:40:11 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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