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Oriana Fallaci asks: Is Muslim immigration to Europe a conspiracy?
LA Weekly ^ | Wednesday, March 15, 2006 | BRENDAN BERNHARD

Posted on 03/16/2006 11:00:36 AM PST by Leisler

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To: Rytwyng; Altair333
What if they're mostly anti-white racists who feel a nationalistic imperative to kill us? Just asking.

Laughable claim. Considering that 1. Mexicans are racially mixed, with "white" among their gene pool 2. Generally hate blacks more than whites when the come here and 3. 1/3 of all Mexican American females, of ANY generation, intermarry with us gringos. Doesn't sound like the "anti-white nationalist" fantasy of yours.

51 posted on 03/16/2006 1:44:08 PM PST by Clemenza (Seattle: The Pesto of Cities --- George Costanza)
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To: Leisler

Europe depends on the Mohammedans and cannot do without them unless they begin wholesale importing of Mexicans or Chinese.The Europeans have chosen not to propagate and must have the immigrants to provide the wealth that will support the Europeans in their old age. The Saracen, however, will not do that. When Islam reaches some critical point, a "tipping point," then Mohammedans will make the rules and the rules will exclude the infidels from care and benefits.When Islam becomes ascendant and makes the rules not only will the infidels be cut off but the advent of sharia will signal a serious and irreversible economic decline. The old folks will have to rely on their progeny for care and survival and they foreswore progeny in their youth.


52 posted on 03/16/2006 1:44:21 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Leisler
How did Europe become home to an estimated 20 million Muslims in a mere three decades?

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Because satan never sleeps.

53 posted on 03/16/2006 1:44:37 PM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Sax
Europe is always surprised by creeping incrementalism. WWI & WWII. They notice things happening, but let them slide until it's too late

And America is not going to pull their chestnuts out of the fire this time.

54 posted on 03/16/2006 1:46:10 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: satchmodog9
Europe takes in Muslims so they can keep getting Arab oil and we do the same with Mexico.

Yep, and I would never trade with them.

As birthrates continue to decline among Americans of European decent, it may well be that the final battle for the west will be fought primarily by Americans of Mexican decent. Hispanics are the fastest growing members of our armed forces. Tough as nails in a fight, macho and proud Americans.

We are going to have to re-open Ells Island to accommodate the next mass exodus of fleeing Europeans.

Europe is toast but the US has plenty of fight left in her.

To poorly paraphrase something President Lincoln said, “All the armies of the world could not step one foot on the Blue Ridge Mountains or take a drink from the Ohio River. If our end is to come it will be from within”.

I could not agree with Lincoln more and we all know who I am talking about.

55 posted on 03/16/2006 2:06:55 PM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: usurper

It could be any number of RATs or RINOs.


56 posted on 03/16/2006 2:18:04 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: an italian

ping


57 posted on 03/16/2006 2:19:20 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: satchmodog9; don-o; Acts 2:38; Mordacious; usurper

I don't think it's "hypocritical" to take a different attitude towards Muslim immigration than toward Mexican immigration. They are quite different. Compared with Muslims, Mexicans are, in my opinion, much to be preferred.

Mexicans are culturally Western (if not Northern): Spain being Western Europe, and Spanish and Portuguese being closely derived from Latin, the classical language of the West; and Central America being Western Hemisphere, and Christian for the past 400+ years.

Unlike Muslims, Mexicans are not culturally committed to polygamy; genital mutilation; the whipping of women who show their bare elbows and knees; the physical destruction of most of the art, music, and literature of the West; the sawing-off of the heads of apostates; and other ugly domestic and judicial behaviors based on the Hadiths and the Qu'ran.

Despite a tiny number of sillies-on-stilts who talk about "Aztlan" (mostly at a University near you), the vast majority of Mexican-Americans don't want anything even remotely resembling a worldwide racial or religious caliphate.

Suppose (and this is not theology, not prophecy, and certainly not politics, just a "supposal") suppose, --- since demography abhors a vacuum--- God is allowing us to experience the logical consequences of aborting 50,000,000 American babies, by replacing them one-for-one with Mexicans.

If that's the case, I'd say thank God that what we face, mostly, is more taxes, more crowded ER's, higher fertility, more day-laborers, more kindergarten kids, more salsa, more ai Chihuahua!, higher GNP, more fiestas, more Nuestra Senora and more Jesucristo--- and not jihad, dhimmitude, and Shari'a law.


58 posted on 03/16/2006 2:32:31 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Divine Mercy)
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To: Tokra

Yeah, the white Mexican elite will shoot themselves in the foot just because we're going to build a fence.

They need our dollars far more than we need their oil.

They are not going to take a multi-billion dollar loss because we build a fence.


59 posted on 03/16/2006 2:34:41 PM PST by Sometimes A River (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031)
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To: DumpsterDiver

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60 posted on 03/16/2006 2:37:17 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Despite a tiny number of sillies-on-stilts who talk about "Aztlan" (mostly at a University near you), the vast majority of Mexican-Americans don't want anything even remotely resembling a worldwide racial or religious caliphate.

Are you sure? A recent poll taken in Mexico indicated a clear majority of Mexicans (a fiercly nationalistic lot themselves) consider the SW United States rightfully belongs to Mexico.

That attitude might not matter much to international institutions such as the catholic church but it sure a heck matters to a large number of Americans, including your's truly.

61 posted on 03/16/2006 3:01:54 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Leisler

Outstanding article.

BTTT

Cheers,

knewshound

http://knewshound.blogspot.com/


62 posted on 03/16/2006 3:15:07 PM PST by knews_hound (Now with two handed typing !)
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To: Acts 2:38
They are not going to take a multi-billion dollar loss because we build a fence.

I wasn't trying to suggest that - I was just pointing out for those who don't know, that they are our second largest source of imported oil.

63 posted on 03/16/2006 3:26:35 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Sax
Strange this post just came out.
I had just wrote a post today on FR in regards to this same
assumption. My theory, I base on American Muslims is their lack of condemnation of terror attacks on the Jews and Americans. They're excuse, we are afraid of reprisals on us, we can't draw attention to our selves.

Give me a break, these American Muslims are just bidding their time, if we are attacked who do you think they
will side with?
64 posted on 03/16/2006 3:38:39 PM PST by buck61 (luv6060)
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To: Leisler

65 posted on 03/16/2006 3:40:54 PM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Leisler

This is not a new idea. For decades, the left has supported the "peace" movement. Disarming us so they can win by incrementalism. Trouble is, it's working.


66 posted on 03/16/2006 3:46:20 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: skeeter
"A recent poll taken in Mexico indicated a clear majority of Mexicans (a fiercly nationalistic lot themselves) consider the SW United States rightfully belongs to Mexico."

I hadn't heard that. Can you get me a link?

Of course, the SW USA was Mexico for at least 150 years (depending upon what year you consider that the Spanish claim was made reality, not just as a label on a map but as a fait accompli.) Throughout the 18th century, Catholic missionaries established missions in Texas, New Mexico, California, etc. and the Spanish and later Mexican authorities established towns and cities.

In the early 19th century, the English-speaking Americans established their claims e.g. in Texas precisely through immigration--- at first legal, and then illegal. And the Mexican-American War wrapped up the deal: the illegal immigrants (Anglos) stole the place fair and square.

Now before you flame me up one side and down the other, I'm just citing this as history, not policy. I am not at all an Aztlanista.

67 posted on 03/16/2006 4:22:06 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Nada te turbe.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You have my respect for taking a principled position. Most people prefer facts that are convenient for the moment --- reduce cognitive dissonance --- and disregard all other.
68 posted on 03/16/2006 5:12:26 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: buck61

Many of the citizens of this country are armed to the teeth, just look at some of the BANG threads here. The same can't be said about Europe. We're in far better shape should the worst happen.


69 posted on 03/16/2006 7:04:06 PM PST by Sax
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To: Leisler
Oriana Fallaci asks: Is Muslim immigration to Europe a conspiracy?

I wouldn't use the word 'conspiracy', but it was definitely a plan to infiltrate every country of the world. I agree with her 100%.

70 posted on 03/16/2006 7:09:04 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: skeeter

>"Whats alarming is the level to which the 'right' has accepted the conspirators' premise & language that has effectively blinded the west and is preventing them from doing anything to protect itself."


"For example Rush's recent adaptation (apparently without pausing to recognize the irony of it being one of his opponents' favorite tactics) of the anti-arab race card."<

-good point, very ironic. I love el Rushbo, but I've been scratching my head about that one also.


71 posted on 03/17/2006 6:10:17 AM PST by FBD (surf's up!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
From the report:

American Views of Mexico and Mexican Views of the U.S.

Submitted to: John D. Vinson Americans For Immigration Control, Inc. Submitted by:
Zogby International
John Zogby, President and CEO
Maria Bettua, Director Of International Department
John Bruce, Vice President and Systems Administrator
Rebecca Wittman, Vice President and Managing Editor

Joseph Zogby, Writer

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II. Narrative Analysis

7. Do you agree or disagree that the territory of the United States’ Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico?

Agree 58%
Disagree 28
Not sure/Don’t know 14

By two to one, more Mexican respondents agree (58%) than disagree (28%) that the territory of the United States’ Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico. One in seven (14%) is not sure.

A majority within almost every sub-group agrees that territory of the Southwest U.S. belongs to Mexico. Among the most likely to agree are more than three in five 18-29 year-olds (61%), those with a secondary education (64%) or who have some university education (66%), and people whose political party is mostly Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) (70%), and mostly or somewhat Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) (62% average).

More than one-third of university graduates (39%), and the adults whose political affiliation is mostly National Action Party (PAN) (35%) or who belong to no party (35%) disagree that the territory of the Southwest U.S. belongs to Mexico. Men (31%) are slightly more likely than women (26%) to disagree.

More than one in five adults 50 and older (22%) are not sure.

72 posted on 03/17/2006 10:23:01 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Peach

I don't believe Obama is a moslem. Not that I like him any more for not being one.


73 posted on 03/17/2006 10:35:57 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: skeeter

Thanks for this rather stunning information. Yikes. Sounds like the Mexican educational system is about as effective as the Madrassas in terms of preparing a generation of irredentists.


74 posted on 03/17/2006 10:36:46 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (As always, battling inaccuracy. Especially mine.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Of course, the SW USA was Mexico for at least 150 years (depending upon what year you consider that the Spanish claim was made reality, not just as a label on a map but as a fait accompli.) Throughout the 18th century, Catholic missionaries established missions in Texas, New Mexico, California, etc. and the Spanish and later Mexican authorities established towns and cities.

The SW USA was "Mexican" in a legal sense for about 27 years.

In the early 19th century, the English-speaking Americans established their claims e.g. in Texas precisely through immigration--- at first legal, and then illegal. And the Mexican-American War wrapped up the deal: the illegal immigrants (Anglos) stole the place fair and square.

"Anglo" (meaning American) immigration was not only accepted but encouraged because of mexican inability to govern the land, at least in Texas. Texas sought independence - whites and many hispanics alike - only after the constitution of 1821 was overthrown.

As far as the the rest of the SW being 'stolen' buy the US in 1848, I guess that term can be used to describe just about every geopolitical border of any consequence on earth. In this case I say thank God, as did most of the local inhabitants of those lands at the time of their annexation.

75 posted on 03/17/2006 10:47:11 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter
"The SW USA was "Mexican" in a legal sense for about 27 years."

That's true only if you count from Mexican Independence. There's CENTURIES of Spanish Mexican *Nueva Espana" history before that.

By the close of the sixteenth century the conquest from Guatamala to New Mexico had been accomplished as a matter of practical fact. This made the Spanish political claim credible, although it was the issionaries who really spread Spanish/Mexican culture.

The Catholic See (Diocese) of Mexico was founded in 1530. From this and other New World dioceses missionaries were sent to evangelize the Indians of the southwestern portions of the United States. (The southeastern portion of what is now the United States --- Florida--- was ecclesiastically dependent upon Santiago de Cuba and later Havana.)

Spanish missionaries, chiefly Franciscans, Dominicans and Jesuits established numerous missions in what are now the states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. In 1565 a royal Spanish grant was issued to colonize Florida with the condition that twelve religious and four Jesuits be maintained. This colony founded St. Augustine, the oldest Catholic city in this country.

The first mission work in New Mexico was started by seven Franciscans in 1598 at San Juan, on the banks of the Rio del Norte, thirty-three years after the founding of St. Augustine, and from this base priests were sent into the surrounding territory and the New Mexican missions established.

In 1687 missions were established in what is now the State of Arizona by a Jesuit priest from Sonora, and after 1732 St. Francis and St. Miguel became the centers of missionary work.

The beginning of Spanish missions in Texas dates from 1689, when three friars and a Franciscan established the mission of San Francisco de Los Texas.

In 1769 an expedition left Mexico for California and among its members were three Franciscans. A chapel was erected at San Diego, the first step toward planting the Catholic church on the western coast.

By 1773 there were five missions—San Diego, San Gabriel, San Luis Obispo, San Antonio and San Carlos in California. In 1775 the missions of San Juan Capistrino and San Francisco were founded and in 1777 Santa Clara mission. Forty-three years after the founding of the first mission there were eighteen missions in California.

76 posted on 03/17/2006 1:21:44 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Nada te turbe.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks for the info. Although I live not ten miles from two missions, Santa Clara & San Jose, my favorite has always been San Juan Batista. Even in spite of the recent development in the area the mission and town is still reeks of 'old California'.


77 posted on 03/17/2006 3:52:45 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I agree. But I fear if Mex. has economic problems the people there might elect a socialist sloganeering demogog on the order of "El Loco" Chavez in Venezuela. Such a leader might reverse the present policy and adopt one of "reconquista" militarism, you know, with the banners, parades, goose-stepping troops, tanks rumbling thru the streets, etc. I could see such a regime secretly sponsoring a National Liberation movement engaging in terrorism in order to turn CA, AZ, MN, and TX into a "people's republic" just before re-unification with the Motherland (Mexico). I don't think such a scenario is all that far from reality. I don't think our jello-spined pols would have the stones to do what needed to be done in such a situation, either. I hope I'm wrong about this, but I don't think the people would really have the stones to resist it.


78 posted on 03/18/2006 3:53:17 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

**I don't believe Obama is a moslem. Not that I like him any more for not being one.**

Not sure if he is or not, but here's a thread on the subject.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1189687/posts


79 posted on 03/18/2006 10:58:24 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: Pepper777

His father was moslem but had nothing to do with his upbringing which was in christian schools.


80 posted on 03/18/2006 11:03:54 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Leisler; nw_arizona_granny; Fred Nerks

Thanks for a excellent article. The read was very worth it.


81 posted on 03/18/2006 11:05:37 PM PST by Pepper777
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To: Leisler

Before you get all tied up in knots elevating Sra Fallaci to sainthood,check out her views.
Oriana Fallaci may have some right answers about Eurabia, but at root, she hates all religion.

She hates the Islamo-fascists for being religious extremists, but she also hates Christians and Jews who she believes have extremest fundamentalist views. She makes the moral equivalence of all people of faith.

She is an atheist to the core, and still a very left wing one at that!

Read David Horowitz FRONTPAGE Magazine for her views.


82 posted on 03/18/2006 11:18:08 PM PST by Cincinna (The ARKANSAS GRIFTERS want to take over your country. HILLARY & HER HINO ON THE MOVE!)
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To: Leisler

Bump! Thanks for posting this article.


83 posted on 03/18/2006 11:22:08 PM PST by PGalt
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To: garyhope
There is no one she despises more than the intellectual “cicadas,” as she calls them — “You see them every day on television; you read them every day in the newspapers” — who deny they are in the midst of a cultural, political and existential war with Islam, of which terrorism is the flashiest, but ultimately least important component.

REPLY:

This lady just described in a few words what the Democrat party and many RINOs in the Republican party are doing to America.

More immigration and raising visas quotas is not good for America.

By the time some of these people wake up it will be to late to save many from losing their lives trying to stop this out of control monster.
84 posted on 03/18/2006 11:28:19 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: All

Didn't OBL himself once say his plan was to populate Europe ?


85 posted on 03/18/2006 11:53:13 PM PST by binkdeville
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To: Pepper777

thanks for the ping, brilliant and scary.


86 posted on 03/19/2006 1:46:06 AM PST by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: Txsleuth

About three years ago I had a nasty exchange (via Internet) with a liberal woman in Holland regarding Bush/Iraq/terrorism. For her, Bush was the personification of evil, on the verge of implementing a totalitarian Christian theocracy in the USA and sending American troops to take over Holland. I told her a couple of simple facts: (1) she was an idiot; and (2) the day would soon come when the Islamic threat to her freedoms would become palpable, and that she and her fellow countrymen would have to lay aside their anti-American silliness and face up to some very unpleasant domestic realities.


87 posted on 04/24/2006 2:01:36 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

Seems like it is time to get back in touch with your "friend" and ask how she feels now....

Of course, WE still need to watch out...I heard audio of a group of Islamisists in New York recently calling for the NEW Holocaust, meaning US!!


88 posted on 04/24/2006 2:29:41 PM PDT by Txsleuth (...)
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To: Txsleuth

By the way, the reason I messaged you on the old Fallaci thread is that yesterday I bought her book, "The Force of Reason," so I was checking out threads about her. The book is frightening: what we are facing is the selling out of Western civilization, the suicide of the West, as it's been called, undertaken by the far Left and liberal elites in a manner that is deliberate, conscious, and yet symptomatic of a collective mania of arrogant stupidity and naivete. In other words, the Left is trying to bring down Western civilization, but they really don't grasp what that will mean for them personally. They don't understand that all they claim to hold dear - intellectual freedom, secularism, freedom of conscience, the rights of women, human rights in general, will be utterly destroyed. We really don't have much time to turn this around.


89 posted on 04/25/2006 7:01:06 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

Hi Steve

Reading this article and several posts from 2006 i can confirm the immigration process and domination through birth of muslims is getting out of hand here in the Netherlands/Rotterdam. Lot of kids start to use arabic slang in there daily conversations.
Our family of 5 have won the DV-2014 and are moving to seattle WA because we feel holland isn’t the right place for us anymore.( it seems we have found a way out)
I feel most dutch citizens don’t care for the things they see enfolding before there eyes and look the other way


90 posted on 05/28/2014 10:50:37 PM PDT by whereitwentwrong?
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