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Thanks to the Muslim world (But what about the last 600 years?)
7DAYS ^ | 17 March 2006 | 7DAYS

Posted on 03/17/2006 8:17:03 PM PST by Cornpone

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To: jiggyboy

Muslims certainly didn't invent soap either. It was made from lard and lye, and Muslims destest pigs.

We know from reading the traditions that Mohammad and his smelly clan of murdering bandits seldom to a bath, never mind used soap.
Mohammad had fleas, and his followers smelled very ripe- so ripe that others in Medina couldn't bear to stand near them.


41 posted on 03/17/2006 9:13:19 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Threepwood
"Al-Biruni, the 14th Century physicist was able to calculate the circumference of the Earth and its tilt 600 years before Galileo."

This statement is silly at several levels. For example:

Islamic civilization peaked centuries ago - and was built almost entirely on the back of conquered Christian, Jewish, and Hindu civilization and discoveries. It is no real shock that when the Turkish empire reached it's limit of conquest, it also stopped creating new technolgy, techniques, and treasure - it had no one else to obtain these from.

By the way, claiming all sorts of "inventions" for "Islam" is nothing new - do some Google searches and you'll find that Moslem historians also teach that all of Columbus's ship captains were Moslem, and that Moslems were exploring the Mississippi river centuries before anyone else. I swear, it reminds me of the old days of the Cold War, when the Soviet Union used to teach that Russians had discovered everything from the airplane to the electric light bulb, or the 80's fad of African Historical Revisionism, which insisted that Cleopatra was Black, and taught inner city kids stories about Egyptions (who, of course, the inner city kids were decended from) using gliders 3000 years ago (Note - I'm not kidding).

42 posted on 03/17/2006 9:14:12 PM PST by jscd3
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To: Cornpone

Arabic philosophy is not important as original thought.  Men like Avicenna and Averroes are essentially commentators.  Speaking generally, the views of the more scientific philosophers come from Aristotle and the Neoplatonists in logic and metaphysics, from Galen in medicine, from Greek and Indian sources in mathematics and astronomy, and among mystics religious philosophy has also an admixture of old Persian beliefs.  Writers in Arabic showed some originality in mathematics and in chemistry – in the latter case, as an incidental result of alchemical researches.  Mohammedan civilization in its great days was admirable in the arts and in many technical ways, but it showed no capacity for independent speculation in theoretical matters.  Its importance, which must not be underrated, is as a transmitter.  Between ancient and modern European civilization, the dark ages intervened.  The Mohammedans and the Byzantines, while lacking the intellectual energy required for innovation, preserved the apparatus of civilization – education, books, and learned leisure.  Both stimulated the West when it emerged from barbarism – the Mohammedans chiefly in the thirteenth century, the Byzantines chiefly in the fifteenth.  In each case the stimulus produced new thought better than any produced by the transmitters – in the one case scholasticism, in the other the Renaissance (which however had other causes also).

- Lord Bertrand Russell, A History Of Western Philosophy (1st Edition, 1945)

43 posted on 03/17/2006 9:14:15 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Cornpone
Al-Biruni, the 14th Century physicist was able to calculate the circumference of the Earth and its tilt 600 years before Galileo

Muslim math?

44 posted on 03/17/2006 9:15:52 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Cornpone
Contribution #11

Child-Suicide bombers, as a dual purpose methods for both offensive warfare and population/birth control.

Ingenious!

SFS

45 posted on 03/17/2006 9:21:32 PM PST by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Cornpone
In addition to their Twentieth Century Galileo...

Sherbet, a juice of crushed fruit, herbs, or flowers was the world’s first soft drink

Ask King Solomon about things like this.

More to the point, try the cheese claim:

The History of Cheese

Cheese was known to the ancient Sumerians four thousand years before the birth of Christ. The ancient Greeks credited Aristaeus, a son of Apollo and Cyrene, with its discovery; it is mentioned in the Old Testament.

In the Roman era cheese really came into its own. Cheesemaking was done with skill and knowledge and reached a high standard.

>> Unlike people in Medieval Europe, the Islamic world had a constant supply of fresh foods to eat throughout the year thanks to the development of crop rotation.

Maybe Europe's more severe winters also had something to do with this? Again, go to the Old Testament, and check out when the various harvests occured.

Arrrgh; it isn't worth, it. THIS says it all: Professor Al-Hassani, who has led a five-year project.

47 posted on 03/17/2006 9:22:50 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Threepwood
One of the librarians of Alexandria - I can never remember his name - had calculated the circumference of the earth within something like 30 miles long before the muslims crashed into the world.

Many of these bullet points are blatant distortions and lies.

Chess invented by the Persians?  How's that a muslim contribution? That's a Zarathustrian contribution, if one wants to qualify it in religious terms.

How's the spread of a local fruit and vegetable a "contribution"? 

muslims did not invent crop rotation.

This is mostly BS.

48 posted on 03/17/2006 9:29:27 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Cornpone
I guess we did, LoL!

It's easy to disprove these claims, but it doesn't stop these Islamic liars from making the claim. MSM and other appeasers can't be bothered to correct them for some reason.

This book deals with the subject directly.

Islam and the Psychology (Mind) of the Musulman,

"The intelligence of an Arab rises as high as the faculty of imitation. Put him on a motor-car or a locomotive engine, and after a certain time of apprenticeship, they will be able to drive it; but if the machine should get out of order, he will be quite incapable of repairing it, and still less could he make a new one.”

"Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was-and it remains-incapable of adapting itself to civiliza­tion. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society."

"Prior to Islam they had no civilization, nor have they developed one since Islam. They came close by the 9th century A.D., but managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the nick of time. Their sole creation has been a religion."

“To sum up: the Arab has borrowed everything from other nations, literature, art, science, and even his religious ideas. He has passed it all through the sieve of his own narrow mind, and being incapable of rising to high philosophic conceptions, he has distorted, mutilated and desiccated everything. This destructive influence explains the decadence of Musulman nations and their powerlessness to break away from barbarism…”

It's great book, everyone should download and read it.

49 posted on 03/17/2006 9:29:46 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Cornpone

Chess was first played in India, not Persia.


50 posted on 03/17/2006 9:30:00 PM PST by TheRealDBear
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To: Cornpone

Yep, less go back to the Dark Ages, book burnings and all the other good things associated with this culture of hate.


51 posted on 03/17/2006 9:32:09 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: jiggyboy
Here's another one: if they had cheese years and years ago, why is there no "Arab" cheese on the menu today?

They did. It is. It's called "jebne".

Just because they are murderous bastards doesn't mean we have to revise history like a bunch of damn democrats.

52 posted on 03/17/2006 9:33:27 PM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Cornpone
>> The musical notes we play on our recorder or piano are actually the Arabic alphabet read out aloud. The basic scale do, re, mi, fa, sol, la and ti comes from Arabic alphabet: Dal-Ra-Mim-Fa-Sad-Lam-Sin.

The Iman says you can't listen to music.

>> Chess was originally a Persian game with pieces including Shah as King.

The game of chess is thought to have originated in what is now northern India or Afganistan sometime before 6OO AD (before Mohammed)

>> A Ninth Century Muslim introduced the concept of the three-course meal to Europe.

The Romans certainly had mult-course meals.

>> Sherbet, a juice of crushed fruit, herbs, or flowers was the world’s first soft drink and was enjoyed by Western figures such as the 19th Century English poet Lord Byron.

It comes from a Turkish word but it is traditionally traced to the Romans

>> Syrian Muslim and blind professor, Zain-Din al Amidi in the 14th Century improvised a method by which he identified his books and made notes - 600 years before braille was invented.

The Copts say they beat them.

The scope of the school of Alexandria was not limited to theological subjects, because science, mathematics and the humanities were also taught there: The question and answer method of commentary began there, and 15 centuries before Braille, wood-carving techniques were in use there by blind scholars to read and write.

>> Unlike people in Medieval Europe, the Islamic world had a constant supply of fresh foods to eat throughout the year thanks to the development of crop rotation.

Crop rotation was practiced in ancient Roman, African, and Asian cultures AND in the Middle Ages

>> Apricots, oranges and artichokes were first introduced to Europe by the Muslims.

Oranges and apricots come from China and the ancient Greeks knew about artichokes.

>> Cheese was first made in the Middle East. The earliest type was a form of sour milk.

These people are pathetic.

>> Tenth Century Muslim doctor Al-Zahrawi pioneered plastic surgery. And his practice of using ink to mark his incisions on the body is still a standard surgical procedure.

In fact, written evidence cites medical treatment for facial injuries more than 4,000 years ago. Physicians in ancient India were utilizing skin grafts for reconstructive work as early as 800 B.C.

>> Al-Biruni, the 14th Century physicist was able to calculate the circumference of the Earth and its tilt 600 years before Galileo.

Again, big whoop (assuming that it is true.)

53 posted on 03/17/2006 9:34:01 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
A better link to the history of cheese. It's well before Mohammed.
54 posted on 03/17/2006 9:37:41 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: ozzymandus
"Progress in the Arab world stopped with Mohammed."

Bingo. Notice how they authors of the article try to attribute every arab or persian achievment as a Muslim acheivment. In reality, virtuly every significant thing on the list predated Muhammed by centuries.

55 posted on 03/17/2006 9:39:43 PM PST by joebuck
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To: Cornpone
Chess was originally a Persian game with pieces including Shah as King.

Chess likely originated in India, not Persia. If we look further into these claims, we will find most of the rest are bogus as well.

ORIGIN AND EVOLUTION OF CHESS

56 posted on 03/17/2006 9:46:29 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Psycho_Bunny
muslims did not invent crop rotation.

That reminds me:

They mean "succession cropping", not "crop rotation".

Two different animals altogether.

One is dealing with continuous (more or less) production from a field throughout the year. The other involves not planting the same or related crops on the same field each year to prevent disease transmission & nutrient problems.

57 posted on 03/17/2006 9:46:42 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Cornpone
Al-Biruni, the 14th Century physicist was able to calculate the circumference of the Earth and its tilt 600 years before Galileo.

And 1500 years after it was done by Eratosthenes, a mathematician in Ptolemy's part of Alexander's empire.
58 posted on 03/17/2006 9:47:09 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: Starve The Beast
Actually, Islam has been a civilizing influence during a lot of its early history. But that was then. Right now it's a problem the rest of the world really should deal with.
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Actually, Egypt, the Fertile Crescent, Persia, North Africa, Anatolia were all civilized before the onslaught of Islam. And I will note that all of Europe outside the Eastern Roman Empire had fallen into barbarism at that time.
But my take on Islam in these countries is that it has slowly sucked the life, the civilization out of them. Somehow the barbarous West civilized itself, and in fact blew the doors off Islam as it surpassed it, while the Middle East went backwards.
59 posted on 03/17/2006 9:49:41 PM PST by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Nathan Zachary; All
What a load of BS. Islam has contributed NOTHING to the world.

Spare us the revisionist garbage. At best it is intellectually dishonest, at worst (like that french text you posted about) it is bigotry wrapped in ignorance.

Al-Jabr or Algebra (though you may not like it) was invented by muslims. Their work on astronomy was way ahead of the west (once upon a time). Arabs also came up with the fork while our european ancestors were eating with their hands.

Let's try not to spread hate through ignorance, Nathan. The muslims have done plenty to deserve our antipathy without resorting to Al-taqiyya.

60 posted on 03/17/2006 9:58:11 PM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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