[street_lawyer]

"I don't think that comparison is wise or appropriate."

I agree, but the simple fact is that if we can not win in Iraq, we can not win anywhere, at anytime, and we concede victory to terrorism, not only now but in all future attempts to remove brutal and dangerous regimes from the world.

Some of course believe that is not our responsibility, but they may prefer to live under the threat of such violence or be a part of it.

[ARCADIA]

We cannot win a PC war, and you cannot win a war where your enemies are allowed safe harbour. But, more to the point, we cannot fight a faceless enemy; it is hard to prove intent until after the man has acted.

[Steel Wolf]

I agree, but the simple fact is that if we can not win in Iraq, we can not win anywhere, at anytime, and we concede victory to terrorism, not only now but in all future attempts to remove brutal and dangerous regimes from the world.

Frankly, that's why a lot of people are pulling for us to lose. Not that they like the dangerous regimes, per se, but that they see us as the biggest threat to world peace.

Of course, they define 'world peace' as far as 'what I see America doing on the news'. The world is stacked to the roof with conflict, suffering, and violence, but so long as we're not involved in trying to stop it, liberals really don't care.

[montag813]

I agree, but the simple fact is that if we can not win in Iraq, we can not win anywhere, at anytime, and we concede victory to terrorism, not only now but in all future attempts to remove brutal and dangerous regimes from the world.

We did win in Iraq, within a few days. But a lack of will to be sufficiently brutal has kept us there much longer than needed. And of course we are just a pathetic at securing the Iraqi borders as we are our own. So the Saudis and Chechens have streamed in through Syria, and IED parts have streamed in through Iran. All in all, stupidity from the top, unworthy of our fine fighting men.

[hflynn]

I agree, but the simple fact is that if we can not win in Iraq

The simple fact is we can win in Iraq. The way we win in Iraq is to win in Iran and win in Syria.