Spy for Israel Loses Supreme Court Appeal [Pollard]

AP ^ | 3/20/6

[SmithL]

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court refused Monday to give Jonathan Pollard, now serving a life sentence for spying for Israel, access to records that could bolster his case for a presidential clemency.

Pollard's lawyers wanted the justices to reopen his case, so that they could pursue secret documents the government submitted to the judge who sentenced Pollard in 1987.

Pollard sold military secrets to Israel while he worked at the Defense Department's Pentagon headquarters. He was arrested in 1985 and pleaded guilty. The Supreme Court had already refused to let the former Navy intelligence analyst withdraw the guilty plea.

The latest Supreme Court case was not about spying, but about government authority to keep records used in court sealed from the public.

A federal appeals court said last summer that it had no authority to review requests for the documents which Pollard contends will help his bid for presidential clemency.

[Shalom Israel]

When did I ever say any of those things.

A denial is more convincing than Clinton's "answer a question with a question" trick. Do you deny it?

[William Terrell]

It is in Israel's best interest that the US invade Iran, get rid of their nuclear program, etc.I just don't think that's our problem.

I agree up to a point. Our stated alibi is that to aid Israel (not the biblical Israel, which was 12 tribes +1 to teach and preach) to keep the middle east from destabilizing. Laughter. The middle east has been in a historical state of destabilization, and I just can't see how Israel stabilized it, unless it just draws the fire of the Sons of Ismael.

My reason to sack Iran is because of its ties to the supplying of terrorists and its work on nuclear materials engineering. If they can make a big nuke, they can make a small one, maybe to sneak into America, where I live.

And saying Israel should rely on their own power for their own security, and not to rely on others is not "anti-semitic."

I agree. The accepted human maxims of the ages can't possibly be "anti-semetic". If I pay someone's rent, groceries, utilities, gas and clothes, I automatically have a right to tell him to get a job, and enforce it. That's the ancient principle that we ignore so spasmodically nowadays. You lose sovereignty (the final say in a matter) to another when you depend on the other. Israel spasmodically forgets this.

[edsheppa]

I'm not "Teddy." Is "he" out to get you? Being called a moron by a paranoid, that's new.

Also, you're delusional. Israel has a had a government ever since 1948. It was the action of that government to end the state of anarchy and merge the various militias into the IDF else all would have been lost. David Ben Gurion led Israel in that first war and became the first Prime Minister directly after.

I for one am very glad Isrealis don't agree with your preference for anarchy.

[William Terrell]

we're going to invade Iran, against our best interests, because Israel wants us to.

I read his posts and I didn't come away with anything like that.

[Shalom Israel]

I'm not "Teddy." Is "he" out to get you?

No, but he did kill a chick once near the Chappaquiddick bridge. You sound a lot like him.

[Shalom Israel]

I read his posts and I didn't come away with anything like that.

I'm not responsible for your lack of reading comprehension. Be comforted, though: there's nothing unusual about it. You have that in common with most people.

[ml/nj]

The law says what the sentence was. The judge legally and properly sentenced Pollard to life in prison. Pollard's waterboys make a big deal out of the plea agreement, but Pollard violated the plea agreement, and -- this is important -- a plea agreement binds the defence and the prosecutor, but it does not and can not bind the judge.

Maybe you know something about this that I do not know? I am persuaded by the opinion of former Notre Dame President Father Hesburgh that Pollard has not been "fairly" treated by the government.

ML/NJ

[Shalom Israel]

Also, you're delusional. Israel has a had a government ever since 1948.

When did I ever say otherwise? The struggle for Israel began long before 1948.

[edsheppa]

Funny, I think I sound much more like Ronald Reagan and Geogre Bush but probably even more so, so to speak. You on the other hand sound like a fringe nut. You actually believe Israel would be better off in a state of anarchy. That's crazy.

[canuck_conservative]

Can you ever just make a point without slipping in an insult?

[Shalom Israel]

Can you ever just make a point without slipping in an insult?

In post #128, to which you're replying, it was Mr. Ed Sheppa calling me delusional, not the other way around.

[canuck_conservative]

AFTER you called him a moron!

[William Terrell]

I'm not responsible for your lack of reading comprehension.

Why the insult. I didn't insult you.

Why don't you try instead to reporduce the statement(s) he said that made you think that way and explain it? That's what a person usually does when he thinks others didn't understand his point.

[Shalom Israel]

AFTER you called him a moron!

Ah, OK--I thought there might be a misunderstanding. Observe that I don't call everyone a moron. If you got the master list of morons, and made a point of looking up the folks I happen to refer to as such, you might see a pattern.

[Shalom Israel]

Why don't you try instead to reporduce the statement(s) he said that made you think that way and explain it? That's what a person usually does

What an awesome suggestion--I think I'll try it! In fact, for your entertainment, I shall demonstrate paranormal psychic abilities, and I will project my post backward in time. You ready? NYEERRRRRRrrrmmm!

OK, open your eyes and read post #115. Utterly amazing, isn't it?

[William Terrell]

You know, I just fail to see what your problem is. The poster doesn't like Israel, as a country. That's his right. He doesn't want any aid sent there, or other nations I believe he said. He may actually think that Israel will wield the final prod that gets us to Iran, in their own interests.

He simply didn't preface his statements, in the context of this thread (Jews spying for Israel), saying, "Oh, by the way, I'm all for going into Iran for American security, just not for Israel's security".

Maybe he does? Did you ask him?

[Shalom Israel]

You know, I just fail to see what your problem is. The poster doesn't like Israel, as a country. That's his right. He doesn't want any aid sent there, or other nations I believe he said. He may actually think that Israel will wield the final prod that gets us to Iran, in their own interests.

You're working hard to explain away what is obvious: he doesn't believe that a nuclear Iran, jam packed with terrorists who are flowing daily into Iraq to man the phony "insurgency," is something in the US interests to deal with. Instead, if the US goes into Iran, he believes it would be entirely about Israel's interests.

That's pathological. Either he believes that this administration is chock full of incompetent morons--or worse, traitors--or he imagines that Israel has some means of getting the US to act against its own interests in the interests of Israel.

There's no way to sugar-coat that in terms of disagreement with some Israeli policy or other. I disagree with plenty of Israeli policies, but I certainly don't believe that Bush is Israel's puppet. It takes an anti-semite, and a conspiracy kook to boot, to believe such a ridiculous thing.

[Natty Bumppo@frontier.net]

The only problem that I have with this decision is that Sandy Berger is not Pollard's cellmate for life for the theft and destruction of highly classified documents.

[William Terrell]

You're working hard to explain away what is obvious: he doesn't believe that a nuclear Iran, jam packed with terrorists who are flowing daily into Iraq to man the phony "insurgency," is something in the US interests to deal with. Instead, if the US goes into Iran, he believes it would be entirely about Israel's interests.

On the other hand, I'm not working hard to squeeze some Jew hatred out of him.

How do you know he thinks it's only Israel's interest and none of America's to nail Iran? Did he say so? Have you asked him?

I doubt that he thinks Bush is Israel's puppet, but he might. The point is, Israel has a lobby. And what is that lobby doing but serving Israel's interest, including an Iran operation?

I think we should settle Iran, and it would seem to be in America's best interest to do so, but the Congress of the United States hasn't been serving America's interests too much lately.

Maybe the Israel lobby's activities will be the deciding factor if we go.

What then?

On another topic, I notice your partisan defense and protection of Pollard. This would mean that, if you had been offered the same opportunities, you would have done the same thing, or you would be a hypocrite.

[ml/nj]

I'm wondering if you know how to have a conversation without being a piss ant.

Stop me when I say something that isn't true.

Like many of my political adversaries, you ignored my questions and instead made an ad hominem attack.

I wondered whether you could read because I said I thought Pollard should have been executed, and you responded as if I had defended him.

ML/NJ