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To: neverdem

"If you bring a gun into the home, it increases the risk of homicide by three," said Becca Knox of the Brady Campaign.

What?!?! I would like to know how they get those stats.


12 posted on 03/20/2006 1:11:26 PM PST by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: L98Fiero
Simple. Percentage of murders occurring in a dwelling that has a firearm in it - whether illegal or legal - versus murders in a dwelling that has no firearm.

So pretty much every time someone is killed inside a residential structure where the resident had possession of firearm.

18 posted on 03/20/2006 1:16:52 PM PST by wideawake
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To: L98Fiero


"What?!?! I would like to know how they get those stats."

Hwll, I'd like to know WTF that stat even means.

When people use a stat like that thay are "Cuomoing'(as in Gov. Mario)ie: trying to make something sound like something else.


20 posted on 03/20/2006 1:17:27 PM PST by TalBlack (I WON'T suffer the journalizing or editorializing of people who are afraid of the enemies of freedom)
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To: L98Fiero

Notice how they say homicide rather than murder? Homicide is the taking of a human life by a a human. It is homicide if a homeowner kills armed perp in the house, even if it is demonstrably justifiable. Usually the stats they use are accurate but the definitions they use are skewed, such as "children" killed by violence including young gang bangers in their early twenties.


34 posted on 03/20/2006 1:25:48 PM PST by magslinger (Pray for your enemies, It's like taking a B52 to a gun fight.)
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To: L98Fiero
"If you bring a gun into the home, it increases the risk of homicide by three," said Becca Knox of the Brady Campaign.


With over 200 million guns in the country, there must be a whole lot of unreported deaths in this nation/s
53 posted on 03/20/2006 1:34:29 PM PST by RedMonqey (People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
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To: L98Fiero
What?!?! I would like to know how they get those stats.

Kellermann and his colleagues concluded that a person who had a gun in his or her home was 2.7 times more likely to be a victim of homicide than someone who did not (1087).

Kellermann et al. started generating all these frightening statistics with bogus methodologies starting about two decades ago, IIRC.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/search?sortspec=Score%2Bdesc%2BPUBDATE_SORTDATE%2Bdesc&andorexactfulltext=and&where=fulltext&excludeflag=TWEEK_element&hits=20&searchterm=Kellermann%2C+Arthur+

63 posted on 03/20/2006 1:39:08 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: L98Fiero
I would like to know how they get those stats.
Same way you can say that people who own an automobile are 50%(made up statistic) more likely to be injured in an automobile accident.

Falls under the heading of No #@%^ Sherlock!
65 posted on 03/20/2006 1:40:55 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: L98Fiero; TalBlack; dirtboy; calex59; FoxInSocks
What?!?! I would like to know how they get those stats.

Brady Article

Footnote from Brady article: Kellermann, AL et al., "Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home." The Journal of Trauma, Infection, and Critical Care. Volume 45, No. 2, August 1988

The above journal and Kellerman are notoriously anti-gun, plus they don't allow internet browsing so it's hard to dispute their 'facts' without subscribing to the journal.

John Lott has taken them apart a few times.

From the Sporting Arms & Ammunitions Manufacturers Institute (S.A.A.M.I.)

One of the most widely quoted statements about guns in the home is that a firearm kept in the home is 23 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder. This comes from a study first published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1986,i following a six-year review of gunshot deaths in Seattle, Washington, conducted, by DR. Arthur Kellerman, et al. The validity of this study in determining the value and risk of firearms for home protection has been questioned due to its limited focus. The Kellerman study viewed defensive gun uses only as instances in which the criminal intruder was shot and killed. Instances in which intruders or assailants were wounded or frightened away by the use of a firearm were not included. Kellerman admitted that, "Studies such as ours do not include cases in which intruders are wounded or frightened away by the use or display fire arm. A complete determination of firearm risks versus benefits would require these figures be known."ii Kellerman's approach was not unlike measuring the effectiveness of police officers solely on the basis of the number of criminals they kill.

80 posted on 03/20/2006 1:48:38 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: L98Fiero

What that means is you are more likely to defend your property and life if you have a gun and the chances are 3 times greater that you will do so successfully!


88 posted on 03/20/2006 1:53:12 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: L98Fiero

Easy, they make up the stats as they go.


91 posted on 03/20/2006 1:55:50 PM PST by packrat35 (The America hating bastards at the NYT must spend their entire life with their heads in the toilet)
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To: L98Fiero

They get their numbers straight out of their Acme Stats-For-All-Occasions machine. They enter data at the gigo port and it cranks out the apropriate stats.


110 posted on 03/20/2006 2:10:03 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: L98Fiero

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=119


119 posted on 03/20/2006 3:02:55 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Muslims pray to Allah, Allah prays to Chuck Norris.)
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To: L98Fiero

I think they count all the intruders getting shot. I certainly don't have any problems with those statistics. Actually I'd hope it'd be higher.


198 posted on 03/20/2006 11:08:17 PM PST by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: L98Fiero
What?!?! I would like to know how they get those stats.

Look up and to your left. See that blank space between you and the wall, thin air I believe it's called? I'm pretty sure that's where they get them.
200 posted on 03/20/2006 11:12:56 PM PST by kenth
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To: L98Fiero

They pulled it out of their ass.


225 posted on 03/21/2006 9:15:42 AM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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