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Saddam's foreign minister was CIA source: NBC
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Posted on 03/20/2006 6:13:32 PM PST by AZRepublican

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the period before the Iraq war, Saddam Hussein's foreign minister Naji Sabri, was a secret paid source of the CIA, "NBC Nightly News" reported on Monday.

Citing unnamed current and former U.S. intelligence officials, NBC said Sabri provided details of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction that turned out to be more accurate than CIA estimates.

Intelligence sources said Sabri was paid more than $100,000 through an intermediary in a September 2002 deal brokered by the French, NBC reported.

Sabri may have thought he was working with the French, but some U.S. intelligence officials believe he knew it was the CIA, NBC said.

The CIA questioned Sabri through a go-between about Saddam's WMD program, the report said.

According to the intelligence sources, Sabri indicated that Saddam had no significant weapons program and that while the deposed Iraqi leader desperately wanted a nuclear bomb it would have taken more time for him to build one than the CIA's several-months-to-a-year estimate, NBC reported.

Both the CIA and Sabri said Saddam had stockpiled chemical weapons, but both were wrong, NBC said.

WMD were the main justification for President George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq three years ago, but no such weapons have been found.

Citing intelligence sources, NBC said the CIA's brief relations with Sabri ended after he refused to defect to the United States. The agency had been hoping for a public relations coup, the network said.

Sabri was not named among the former senior Iraqi officials on the U.S. most-wanted list of 55 Iraqi fugitives.

NBC said it found Sabri teaching at a university in the Middle East, but was not revealing his location for security reasons.

Sabri declined to be interviewed or to comment as did the CIA, NBC said, adding that the agency also would not say why it did not listen to Sabri's warnings.

A CIA representative had no comment on the report.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; iraq; iraqiwmd; iraqwmd; najisabri; nbc; newbullchit; prewardocs; sabri; saddam; saddamhussein; wmd
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1 posted on 03/20/2006 6:13:34 PM PST by AZRepublican
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To: AZRepublican

What are we to make of this?


2 posted on 03/20/2006 6:16:36 PM PST by Galtoid ( .)
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To: AZRepublican

Unnamed current and former sorces- but of course. Are there any other kind?


3 posted on 03/20/2006 6:16:44 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: AZRepublican

If Sabri were an American, you can damn well bet NBC would give up his location.


4 posted on 03/20/2006 6:18:04 PM PST by Ron in Acreage (Liberal Democrats-Party before country, surrender before victory, generous with other peoples money.)
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To: Galtoid

What do you think? Bush knew, therefore he lied.


5 posted on 03/20/2006 6:18:27 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: AZRepublican

Sounds to me like the Big Media is bracing for the upcoming battle between what is factual and what is not (read: Right and Left, respectively), by affirming the barely-able-to-sustain lies that have been spouted all over the place.


6 posted on 03/20/2006 6:19:37 PM PST by sonofjoe
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To: AZRepublican
Both the CIA and Sabri said Saddam had stockpiled chemical weapons, but both were wrong, NBC said.

And they know this how??

7 posted on 03/20/2006 6:19:39 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author:)
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To: AZRepublican

"Sabri provided details of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction that turned out to be more accurate than CIA estimates."


"Sabri indicated that Saddam had no significant weapons program and that while the deposed Iraqi leader desperately wanted a nuclear bomb it would have taken more time for him to build one than the CIA's several-months-to-a-year estimate, NBC reported."

"Both the CIA and Sabri said Saddam had stockpiled chemical weapons, but both were wrong, NBC said."

"Sabri declined to be interviewed or to comment as did the CIA, NBC said, adding that the agency also would not say why it did not listen to Sabri's warnings."

Uh, the warnings about him stockpiling chemical weapons or the warnings that Saddam desperately wanted a nuclear bomb?


8 posted on 03/20/2006 6:22:04 PM PST by james500
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To: STARWISE
" And they know this how??"

No doubt they have a real forged memo somewhere. Maybe Dan Rather is working for them

9 posted on 03/20/2006 6:23:35 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: james500
Pure CIA CYA.

Porter Goss probably wants to commit suicide working at that hack organization.

10 posted on 03/20/2006 6:24:21 PM PST by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: Galtoid
What are we to make of this?

We're amatuers. Better wait on the pro's, like Chrissy Matthews to telll us what this means.

11 posted on 03/20/2006 6:25:16 PM PST by umgud (gitrdun)
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To: sonofjoe

Maybe the newsmedia know the Bush Administration is getting ready for the biggest rope-a-dope in political history.

Maybe some of our former enemies are getting ready to give it up.


12 posted on 03/20/2006 6:25:49 PM PST by Perdogg (The Opinions expressed by Perdogg are correct and should be relied upon)
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To: Perdogg

Or pull a Custer...


13 posted on 03/20/2006 6:30:50 PM PST by sonofjoe
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To: Nathan Zachary
LOL!!

Blan Dather: "Mary, get in here with those files"

14 posted on 03/20/2006 6:31:20 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author:)
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To: AZRepublican
Assuming that this story is actually true, whoever felt it important to leak this just put this guy's life in a hell of a lot of danger.

I hope for his sake that he's well hidden and highly protected.

15 posted on 03/20/2006 6:33:56 PM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: STARWISE

Everyone know NBC are the experts on WMD /sarc


16 posted on 03/20/2006 6:35:24 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: STARWISE

Sabri said there were chemical weapons...

I believe him...

But, because of the "let's play footsie with the UN" crowd, Sabri and Saddam had plenty of time to move them..

Bottom line, Bush did not lie...this is what Sabri and the CIA told him..


17 posted on 03/20/2006 6:35:33 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bush-Bot;WaterBucket Brigader;and fan of defconw;Cboldt is my mentor!)
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To: AZRepublican
NBC wants everyone to think that this confirms there was no WMD and the CIA knew it but this actually confirms the opposite. He says there was no "significant" program but there was a program none the less. Saddam was years from acquiring a weapon but that pretty much verifies he had the desire. He then claimed there was "stockpiles" of weapons but turned out to be wrong. I think this could be considered high level verification so who cares if our intelligence was wrong.
18 posted on 03/20/2006 6:36:39 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: STARWISE

Wasn't there a general who very recently wrote a book?


19 posted on 03/20/2006 6:39:07 PM PST by Jaded (The truthshall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: Perdogg

Tariq Aziz knows all.


20 posted on 03/20/2006 6:39:11 PM PST by magua
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To: james500
Uh, the warnings about him stockpiling chemical weapons or the warnings that Saddam desperately wanted a nuclear bomb?

Thanks for saving me a cut-and-paste. My take is that the CIA is playing CYA, as always, with the help of the MSM. They were right -- sort of, by not listening to the "warnings" of whatever -- but Bush was totally, absolutely, incorrigibly wrong.

Saddam did, but he didn't. It's all in focus now. /sarc

21 posted on 03/20/2006 6:40:41 PM PST by browardchad
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To: Galtoid
LOL, another leftwing attempt to defend Saddam and Sons.

Same ol, same ol.

Saddam was innocent, he was contained forever and indefinitely, he was just an innocent bystander, he hated terrorism and would never, ever, fund, train, or support those bad guys, he was a gentle tyrant who just wanted the best for his people, he was picked on mercilessly by the US, he tried soooooo hard to comply with his surrender agreement, but the dog ate his homework!

Oh, and he hates Bush, so he's an alright guy.
22 posted on 03/20/2006 6:49:03 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Nathan Zachary

Like hell, Bush knew. Karl Rove didn't even think there would be an insurgency after we knocked out Saddam. I know first-hand because I questioned him about it.


23 posted on 03/20/2006 6:49:33 PM PST by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: Nathan Zachary

LOL, yes they all lied to go into Iraq so everyone could find out they lied.

Makes sense to me!


24 posted on 03/20/2006 6:56:03 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Wasanother
First: "Sabri may have thought he was working with the French, but some U.S. intelligence officials believe he knew it was the CIA, NBC said."

Then, it goes on to say: " According to the intelligence sources, Sabri indicated that Saddam had no significant weapons program and that while the deposed Iraqi leader desperately wanted a nuclear bomb it would have taken more time for him to build one than the CIA's several-months-to-a-year estimate, NBC reported. "

Maybe he's down playing it a little?, Taking the cash and lacing lies with a sprinkle of truth? But then:

" Citing intelligence sources, NBC said the CIA's brief relations with Sabri ended after he refused to defect to the United States. The agency had been hoping for a public relations coup, the network said. "

A falling out perhaps? But strangest of all:

" Sabri was not named among the former senior Iraqi officials on the U.S. most-wanted list of 55 Iraqi fugitives.

Maybe he is still performing services for the CIA?

25 posted on 03/20/2006 6:59:13 PM PST by sonofjoe
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To: AZRepublican

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents-docex/Iraq/Audio-transcripts/DOCEX%20Saddam%20030306.pdf


26 posted on 03/20/2006 7:03:29 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Galtoid
WMD were the main justification for President George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq three years ago, but no such weapons have been found.

Here is what to make of all this - A complete false-premise the MSM / DEM's will not stop using......NOR will the GOP/RNC stand up and fight against.

The WMD equation was merely one of more then a dozen reasons we moved on Iraq (to remove Saddam).

27 posted on 03/20/2006 7:05:28 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: AZRepublican
...Sabri said Saddam had stockpiled chemical weapons, but [was] wrong, NBC said. .

If Sabri was so knowledgeable, why did Sabri get this wrong?????

28 posted on 03/20/2006 7:07:02 PM PST by syriacus (Would fewer Americans have died in Iraq if the French and Germans had helped depose Saddam?)
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To: james500; AZRepublican
Uh, the warnings about him stockpiling chemical weapons or the warnings that Saddam desperately wanted a nuclear bomb?

EXACTLY! Fercryinoutloud! We bitch and moan because the LSM doesn't report the truth. Then they friggin put it in print that the CIA was warned by Saddam's henchmen that they were stockpiling chem weapons and trying to get nukes.....and WE hardly notice it!

Most people read the article, see its slant, and think it must be anti-Bush. The facts of the article are PRO-BUSH, but written in plain sight to hide them?

29 posted on 03/20/2006 7:14:26 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: AZRepublican
Can outlets like NBC sink any lower?

There is no sedition or treason anymore.

These people at NBC are the lowest scum of the Earth.

30 posted on 03/20/2006 7:17:35 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: zarf
I'll bet he does, God love him and keep him focused on exterminating the vermin.
31 posted on 03/20/2006 7:33:01 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author:)
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To: AZRepublican

WELL where is bagdad bob I am sure he is willing to tell all for those who want something to write...


32 posted on 03/20/2006 7:35:00 PM PST by Tigen (Live in peace or rest in peace!)
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To: AZRepublican
I see the liberal spin has begun now that the captured Iraqi documents have been released.

And wouldn't you know... their great "source" has connections to the French.

33 posted on 03/20/2006 7:37:22 PM PST by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: AZRepublican
Wait. Isn't it against liberal dogma to leak the name of an intelligence agent?

No? You mean it isn't so long as said "agent" supports the idiot party line?

34 posted on 03/20/2006 7:38:44 PM PST by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: sam_paine

The article is poorly written. I think it is saying that :

Saddam had no active program but stockpiles of chemical weapons.

No nukes, but the capability to build one in less than a year? That to me would indicate a nuke program.

George Tenet needs to explain this...


35 posted on 03/20/2006 7:39:22 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: AZRepublican

Why is NBC putting our intelligence assets at risk by identifying them. Loose Lips sink ships.

Even after the fact, the man's life may be in danger from his former comrades.

Not to mention how other current intel assets and people we try to recruit in the future will take this revelation--e.g. The US will not or cannot keep its secrets, so my life may be on the line.


36 posted on 03/20/2006 7:53:59 PM PST by wildbill
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To: AZRepublican

Old tricks are the best tricks. Double agents are nothing new. This is counter intelligence effort to discedit the US and it allies. The old Iraqi regime was using him to divert attention and is probably still doing so. They are still putting up a fight so why not work the media angle.


37 posted on 03/20/2006 7:54:10 PM PST by Teutates
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To: Galtoid

Isn't it more than just a little suspect that this "undisclosed report" comes to light right after the release of the Saddam tapes and documents?

At the time, would his word have been sufficient to counter the intelligence of nearly the entire world, given that he was addressing the UN General Assembly claiming Bush was lying and starting the war for oil?

Still, comparing what Saddam said on the tapes and what this "source" said back then, it appears they do not match. Maybe this "source" knew more than Saddam did himself?


38 posted on 03/20/2006 7:59:44 PM PST by DakotaRed
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To: DevSix

We went to Iraq because Saddam failed to abide by the cease-fire agreement and because of his ties with terrorists. WMD became the issue which helped us decide to go sooner rather than later when Saddam would be more of a threat to our troops. Even the WH has allowed the left to distort this truth.


39 posted on 03/20/2006 8:02:42 PM PST by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: Galtoid
What are we to make of this?

I say we invade Iraq and make that SOB prove that there are no WMD's.

40 posted on 03/20/2006 8:04:14 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: Galtoid
What are we to make of this?

Why the hell has this been released? Isn't this still classified?

41 posted on 03/20/2006 8:06:22 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

Didn't you get the memo from the Democrats?

Nothing is classified anymore except Val Plame's desk duties at the CIA!


42 posted on 03/20/2006 8:25:16 PM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Wristpin

Ahh, yeah, I forgot!

Pardon me...


43 posted on 03/20/2006 8:28:53 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: AZRepublican

bump


44 posted on 03/20/2006 8:30:20 PM PST by VOA
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To: wildbill

"Not to mention how other current intel assets and people we try to recruit in the future will take this revelation--e.g. The US will not or cannot keep its secrets, so my life may be on the line."

Amazing effort by our media and people inside the intelligence community to damage US intelligence interests.

Why exactly is the CIA viewed as being adversarial to the WH? what is the political background there?


45 posted on 03/20/2006 8:33:19 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: AZRepublican

After 9-11, we declared war on three sponsors of global terrorism. After securing Afghanistan and bringing Pakistan on board, we took out the only real standing army in the area that might come to Iran's aid when the campaign against it begins.
Israel should rename a Holy City after Bush.


46 posted on 03/20/2006 8:37:38 PM PST by TET1968
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To: Galtoid
The agency had been hoping for a public relations coup, the network said.

It sounds like utter BS. Why would the agency encourage a key source to defect. It makes no sense, either in an institutional sense nor in the selfish motivations of the CIA bureaucrats running this agent.

If the guy had defected, it would not have been the CIA that would get the credit.

47 posted on 03/20/2006 8:39:46 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: jpl
Assuming that this story is actually true, whoever felt it important to leak this just put this guy's life in a hell of a lot of danger.

Sickening. It's just like when 60 minutes gave the exact location of where a Danish cartoonist was in hiding in the US.

48 posted on 03/20/2006 9:16:24 PM PST by Selene
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To: WoofDog123

I think there are several things that are involved in the CIA hostility to the WH:

1.WH attempt to reform CIA after WMD debacle by appointing an outsider to head the Agency. Some heads have rolled and others have retired.

2.An entrenched group in the Agency who might be called 'the enervators.' They always find ways to fuzz up the intel with conflicting information so that nothing can be done but generate more reports.

3.A true lack of qualified Mid East experts and Humint personnel in the area was exposed by several identified intel errors including WMD which led to 1 above. So there are some who are threatened by this exposure.

4. There are some who feel that if the WH asks questions about intel that this creates pressure on the Agency to meet WH expectations--although investigations by Congress haven't turned up anyone who says they were directly pressured.


49 posted on 03/21/2006 6:22:25 AM PST by wildbill
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To: wildbill

Good observations. I think they have a political motive also. They are outright lying about their assessments regarding Iraq.

The Intelligence they provided in the 90's lead to the following US policies and actions:

12 year deployment of roughly 28,000 troops, 30 naval vessels, 200 military aircraft and other equipment at a cost of $14.5 billion per year.

$150 million no bid contract to BioPort, to innoculate all personnel serving in the Gulf against Antrax attacks.

UN economic sanctions against Iraq which caused 200,000 to 600,000 Iraqi deaths.

The airstrikes the Al Shifa plant in Sudan against Iraqi WMD facilities during DESERT FOX..

Ultimately, the resumption of the War in Iraq, after Tenet claimed it was a "Slam Dunk"

Thats the legacy of the CIA WMD Analysts such as Val Plame.


50 posted on 03/21/2006 7:39:16 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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