The Smoking Gun!
Posted on 03/21/2006 3:18:32 PM PST by jveritas
In the Pentagon/FMSO document ISGZ-2004-009247 there is a clear report about the relation between Iraq and Bin Laden that dated back to 1995. This document contains a 9 page report from the Iraqi Intelligence Apparatus and it is titled “The Saudi Opposition and Achieving the Relation and Contact With Them”. In the report they talk about there meeting with Osama Bin Laden and that Bin Laden in 1995 and how to establish relations wiht him. In the meeting Bin Laden asked the Iraqis for joint operations with them against the Foreign forces (US military) in the land of Hijaz (Saudia or Saudi Arabia).
I did a partial translation of the report that is related to Osama Bin Laden
(Translation of Part of Page 1)
In the Name of God the Most Merciful and the Most Compassionate.
The Saudi Opposition and Achieving the Relation and Contact With Them
(Translation of part of Page 4)
2. The Comission of Reform and Advise
Lead by the Saudi Osama Bin Laden who belongs to a wealthy Saudi family with her roots go back to Hadramoot and connected strongly with the ruling family in Saudia, and he is one of the leaders of the Arab Afghan who volunteered for Jihad in Afghanistan, and after the expulsion of the Soviets he moved to stay in Sudan in the year 1992 after the arrival of the Islamists to power in Sudan.
And because of his stands against the Saudi Royal family because of the foreign presence inside it, the Saudi authorities made a decision to withdraw his Saudi citizenship, and we moved toward The Comission from our side and through the following:
Translation of page 5
A. During the visit of the Sudanese Dr. Abrahim Al Sanoosi to the country and his meeting with Mr. Uday Saddam Hussein on 13/12/1994 and with the presence of the respectful Sir the Director of the Apparatus he indicated that the opposition person Osama Bin Laden who is staying in Sudan and who was cautious and fears that he will be accused by his opponents that he became an agent for Iraq, is ready to meet with him in Sudan (The results of the meeting were written to the Honorable Presidency according to our letter 872 on 17/12/1994).
B. The approval of the Honorable Presidency was granted to meet with the opposition person Osama Bin Laden by the Apparatus according to letter 128 on 11/1/1995 (attachment 6) and the meting with him was completed by Mr. M.A ex-4th Directory in Sudan and with the presence of the Sudanese Dr. Abrahim AL Sanoosi on 19/2/1995 and a discussion occurred about his organization, and he requested the broadcasting of Sheikh Sleiman AL Awada (who has influence in Saudia and outside since he is a known and influential religious personality) and dedicate a program for them through the station directed inside the country and make joint operations against the forces of infidels in the land of Hijaz ( the Honorable Presidency has been notified with the details of the meeting according to our letter 370 in 4/3/1995 attachment 7).
Translation of page 6
C. The approval of Mr. President the Leader God protect him was granted to dedicate and program for them through the station directed and we leave to develop the relation and cooperation between the two sides what open in front of it in discussion and agreement through other cooperation doors. The Sudanese side was informed about the approval of the Honorable Presidency above through the representative of the respectful Sir the Director of the Apparatus our ambassador in Khartoom.
D. Due to the latest conditions in Sudan and accusing her harboring of supporting and harboring terrorism it was agreed with the opposition person the Saudi Osama Bin Laden to leave Sudan to another place where he left Khartoom in the month of July 1996 and the information indicate that he is Afghanistan at the present moment. There is stil relation with him through the Sudanese side and we work in the present moment to activate this relation with him through a new channel in light of the current place where he stays.
I hope that I am not keeping you busy :)
I always like to point out the amazing coincidence of how Osama bin Laden left Sudan nearly broke and that Saddam Hussein was also nearly broke at the same time.
Then a couple years later with the Oil For Food program, both suddenly found themselves flush with cash.
Saddam had the oil and the corruptible United Nations running the Oil For Food program. Osama bin Laden had the financial network and supporters who could translate Saddam's vested interest in the oil for food program into money for both of them.
I'm assuming that the 9/11 commission DID NOT have these documents?
The Smoking Gun!
Good work, man, keep it up.
jveritas-Continuing thanks for your efforts....
Deeply appreciate the time and effort you're putting into this, jveritas. A loud and thunderous "Thank You!"
FYI
NO! No connection! No! We won't allow this to be true! It's not allowed! Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
keep up the good work.
Trust me, it's OK!
After reading quite a few of the audio transcript translations, the following also appeared to have happened. For the first few years after the Gulf War 1, Saddam's regime was working hard to get the UN sanctions lifted. Around 1995 they became to believe that their was no way they could get the sanctions lifted. They then began to plan military offensives which led up to their move on Arbil in 1996. So 1995 seems to be when Saddam's regime basically gave up on trying to get the sanctions lifted. It would be interested to cross reference as to when that terrorist training plane within Iraq was setup.
Honestly, how are you translating these documents?
I think it's great but do you have a program or something like altavista babblefish that allows you do do so?
Be assured not just us freepers are reading your important work here. The MSM and others of influence do use FR as an information outlet.
You won't get any credit later, but we know and you know. FR has been doing this sort of thing for years.
We are the media.
But I could swear The Weekly Standard reported on this about two years ago!!
Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 (Translation),
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Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents
I'm assuming it wouldn't have mattered if they had :(
The association of Iraq and al Qaeda was cited in the Clinton administrations's indictment of bin Laden for the African Embassy bombings. The Iraqi-Sudan-al Qaeda association was not unreported either.
You are doing a fantastic job corroborating what was known and what in the past, the same press that denies any connection, reported prior to 911.
Almost three years ago I posted a review, here with the NY Times article and the US Indictment.
Other freepers have an even better inventory of articles or documents relating to the subject.
May I get on the ping list please?
There is stil relation with him through the Sudanese side and we work in the present moment to activate this relation with him through a new channel in light of the current place where he stays.
Yowza!
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All indicates this story from 1999 was correct doesnt it?
http://tinyurl.com/ctl8s
Iraq Tempts Bin Laden To Attack West
The Herald
By Ian Bruce
December 28, 1999
The world's most wanted man, Osama bin Laden, has been offered sanctuary in
Iraq if his worldwide terrorist network succeeds in carrying out a campaign of
high-profile attacks on the West over the next few weeks.
Intelligence sources say the Saudi dissident believed responsible for the
bombings of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and a US military
barracks in Saudi Arabia in 1998, is running out of options for a safe haven.
He is now thought to have overcome his initial rejection of Saddam Hussein,
whom he regarded as an exploiter of the Islamic cause rather than a true
believer, and is considering the offer of a bolt-hole from which he can
continue to mastermind terrorism on a global scale.
A US counter-terrorist source said yesterday: "Our State Department issued a
worldwide warning on December 11. We have solid information that many of the
groups operating under bin Laden's patronage are planning 'spectaculars' to
coincide with the period leading up to and through the millennium
celebrations.
"They want to inflict maximum loss of life in return for publicity. Now we are
also facing the prospect of an unholy alliance between bin Laden and Saddam.
The implications are terrifying.
"In the Name of God the Most Merciful and the Most Compassionate."
I notice every document starts with this proclamation. Kinda debunks "the Baathists were secular" BS.
From 4/27/2003
Yowza is right!
But remember, the important thing is that Saddam was frustrated by the weapons inspectors and nobody believing him that he'd destroyed the WMDs. It's not important if Saddam was working with bin Laden.
I just want to know if anything in those documents sheds light on whether or not Isaac Hayes has been brainwashed by the Scientologists or if he even knows he quit his job as the school Chef.
Children!
I need to bump this
In Baathist speak...isn't "apparatus" synonymous with the government?
Hmm. One would think the Administration would try and use these documents...why aren't they?
In any case...EXCELLENT JOB!
We've speculated on that (them not using these docs)
Maybe they've been protecting an ally?
More Saddam documents the MSM don't want us to hear about ping
Well, I think they WERE secular, but they got religion quickly when it suited them. Notice the "God is Great" modification to the Iraqi flag, I think back before Gulf War I. It was a pandering attempt to sway the "Arab Street" to their side.
dedicate a program for them through the station directed inside the country and make joint operations against the forces of infidels in the land of Hijaz
That's from 1995. If my memory is functioning properly, Khobar Towers was 1996. Maybe this has been well pointed out by others and I've missed it, but this looks like when my good friend the sheriff would refer to as "evidence".
Isn't Baathism based on communism?
He was busy with this machine, instead:
June 25, 1999
Fuel truck-bomb explodes outside the Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia killing 19 USAF military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel.
Also on June 25, but in 1993:
U.S. launches cruise missile strikes against Iraqi intelligence for the attempted assassination of President George H.W. Bush in Kuwait City.
Wow. I just made a sarcastic crack about this on the Levin thread. It's just a matter of time before these documents link Saddam to the bombing of the Khobar Towers once and for all. This document detailing a meeting you've translated took place immediately before that bombing. Let noone forget that the Khobar Towers housed US military personnel who patrolled the Iraq no-fly zone. And this meeting was about attacking the US interests in Saudi Arabia. Fascinating.
Please add me to your ping list. I just don't seem to spend enough time on Freerepublic right now. ;-)
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My point remains the same ... The attack on Americans in Saudi Arabia came after this meeting where Iraqi intelligence sought to work with bin Laden on a strike against Americans in Saudi Arabia. Right?
LOL! Hell, there is no TELLING what those programs would spit out if we fed the documents into them!
Might even evoke a fatwa against FR! I have had some really funny results when I tried Babelfish, things like "Fingers are your favorite food" when I said something completely different...:)
GMTA.
I believe the Stalinist model of communism...
But I could swear The Weekly Standard reported on this about two years ago!!
Excerpt: 8. Reporting from a well placed source disclosed that bin Laden was receiving training on bomb making from the IIS's [Iraqi Intelligence Service] principal technical expert on making sophisticated explosives, Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed. Brigadier Salim was observed at bin Laden's farm in Khartoum in Sept.-Oct. 1995 and again in July 1996, in the company of the Director of Iraqi Intelligence, Mani abd-al-Rashid al-Tikriti.
9 . . . Bin Laden visited Doha, Qatar (17-19 Jan. 1996), staying at the residence of a member of the Qatari ruling family. He discussed the successful movement of explosives into Saudi Arabia, and operations targeted against U.S. and U.K. interests in Dammam, Dharan, and Khobar, using clandestine al Qaeda cells in Saudi Arabia. Upon his return, bin Laden met with Hijazi and Turabi, among others.
And later more reporting, from the same "well placed" source:
10. The Director of Iraqi Intelligence, Mani abd-al-Rashid al-Tikriti, met privately with bin Laden at his farm in Sudan in July 1996. Tikriti used an Iraqi delegation traveling to Khartoum to discuss bilateral cooperation as his "cover" for his own entry into Sudan to meet with bin Laden and Hassan al-Turabi. The Iraqi intelligence chief and two other IIS officers met at bin Laden's farm and discussed bin Laden's request for IIS technical assistance in: a) making letter and parcel bombs; b) making bombs which could be placed on aircraft and detonated by changes in barometric pressure; and c) making false passport [sic]. Bin Laden specifically requested that [Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed], Iraqi intelligence's premier explosives maker--especially skilled in making car bombs--remain with him in Sudan. The Iraqi intelligence chief instructed Salim to remain in Sudan with bin Laden as long as required.
The analysis of those events follows:
The time of the visit from the IIS director was a few weeks after the Khobar Towers bombing. The bombing came on the third anniversary of a U.S. [Tomahawk missile] strike on IIS HQ (retaliation for the attempted assassination of former President Bush in Kuwait) for which Iraqi officials explicitly threatened retaliation.
My mistake, Khobar Towers was 1996, not 1999.
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