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NYC Adding 500 Cameras, Want to Track People, Cars.
New York Daily News ^ | March 22, 2006 | ALISON GENDAR and MICHAEL SAUL

Posted on 03/22/2006 6:39:18 AM PST by af_vet_rr

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To: Brilliant

You'll never convince them that anything that goes on in NYC is good...I'm giving up on it.


21 posted on 03/22/2006 7:27:57 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: G.Mason

I'll vote for that!


22 posted on 03/22/2006 7:32:00 AM PST by Sarajevo
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To: Brilliant

Exactly.
But there are `V for Vendetta'/`Handmaid's Tale', loony left March Hares who will tell you different. It's a government conspiracy, can't you see?
Why, we're Winston Smith being hounded by Big Brother . . . when in fact the camera are recording insurance fraud or speeders.
But that's not very exciting, is it?
I expect Hollywood to give us a truly radical new movie soon: in it, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld are heroes saving the world from hateful terrorism, while Saddam and bin Laden are evil conspirators. Our troops are brave and fearless while the terrorists are cowardly murderers.
But I won't hold my breath . . . .


23 posted on 03/22/2006 7:32:27 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: Brilliant

Well, then - enjoy your Gulag. Just don't advocate it for the rest of us.


24 posted on 03/22/2006 7:40:15 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: jdm

David Lee Roth?


25 posted on 03/22/2006 7:42:20 AM PST by Sometimes A River (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031)
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

Statists of all stripes are dangerous...whether right or left. Cameras will NOT make anyone "safer" and are purely reactive in nature. Something has to happen before they become of any use.

For all the fans of these devices out there...how are you going to feel when you're scooped-up in an investigation because you bear a striking resemblance to a criminal as captured by a grainy image from a faraway camera? One might be cleared down the road, but you have to deal with friends, family, and employers during the media crush.

Call me a Luddite if you wish (I'm not, I'm in the technology sector...) but I'd prefer my police and criminal investigations be fully prosecuted the traditional way. Inviting more and more cameras is a lazy shortcut and will lead to mistakes. Don't fall for the cheap bait of "public safety" assurances.

~ Blue Jays ~

26 posted on 03/22/2006 7:43:23 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays
You will never convince the jackboot lickers that they alone are responsible for their safety
27 posted on 03/22/2006 7:53:52 AM PST by vrwc0915
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To: Travis McGee

Ping.


28 posted on 03/22/2006 7:57:23 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Acts 2:38

Yeah, or Tim Robbins or Gene Simmons too!!!


29 posted on 03/22/2006 8:00:37 AM PST by jdm
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To: vrwc0915

Carlie Brucia wasn't a `jackboot licker'. http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/carliebrucia.htm


30 posted on 03/22/2006 8:06:59 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: elkfersupper

Pathetic. Who said anything about a gulag? You can pay hundreds of billions of dollars to employ tens of thousands of policemen to walk the beat, or you can install a $200 camera. Efficiency demands the $200 camera.

Your argument reminds me of the Dem's claim that Bush is spying on everyone in America because he's intercepting phone calls from terrorist phone numbers overseas to the US. It's a nonsequitur.


31 posted on 03/22/2006 8:10:23 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: tumblindice

A tragic story for sure. That is why my children are never out of my sight in public and I have the will and means to stop any threat to my children. Did a camera help that poor girl and what she had to endure?


32 posted on 03/22/2006 8:10:56 AM PST by vrwc0915
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To: Blue Jays

I suppose you're against DNA evidence as well, as `intrusive'?


33 posted on 03/22/2006 8:11:09 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: af_vet_rr; ladyjane

This doesn't bother me at all. And if these are like the existing cameras, anybody can link to them via the Internet. Came in very handy during the Republican convention, when I had to be in the office on the weekend, and the leftists were threatening to march through an area very close to my office, that the police had declared off limits, to an illegal mass demonstration in Central Park. I could check what was going on in the streets before leaving the office, to make sure I wasn't going to find myself tangled up in a violent mob scene. The leftists' planned civil disobedience didn't really materialize (sort of like their planned mega-protests this past weekend), but if they had, I could have monitored the situation from the safety of my office, and waited until the streets were under control before venturing outside.

Of course we should be vigilant, and if we detect any abuse of the surveillance camera network, we must raise a massive ruckus. But I'm not interested in hamstringing our law enforcement agencies by declaring them guilty before they've done anything wrong. Keep in mind that al-Qaeda operatives are perfectly free to set up a similar network in the city. There's no shortage of tall, strategically-placed buildings where anyone can rent or sublet an apartment.


34 posted on 03/22/2006 8:12:54 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: tumblindice; vrwc0915
Hi tumblindice-

That's just the point, Carlie Brucia is still dead. The outside world is dangerous and to place faith in cameras, RFID tags, and monitors to magically "create" safety is misplaced.

~ Blue Jays ~

35 posted on 03/22/2006 8:12:58 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: vrwc0915

No, because it was apparently not being monitored closely enough.
Game, set, match.


36 posted on 03/22/2006 8:13:03 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: Brilliant
Who said anything about a gulag?

You did. You just used different words. And you repeated it in the next sentence.

You can pay hundreds of billions of dollars to employ tens of thousands of policemen to walk the beat

37 posted on 03/22/2006 8:14:09 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: tumblindice
"Game, set, match."

I guess you think you nanny state logic has me cowering

38 posted on 03/22/2006 8:15:11 AM PST by vrwc0915
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To: Blue Jays

Hi Blue Jays, didn't mean to ignore you.
How's tricks?


39 posted on 03/22/2006 8:17:10 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: vrwc0915

If you say so, but No need to cower. A pleasure enlightening you.
Have a good one!


40 posted on 03/22/2006 8:19:43 AM PST by tumblindice
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