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Phasing out Social Security could strengthen nation
The Olympian ^ | 3/22/06 | Noah Reandeau

Posted on 03/22/2006 12:34:54 PM PST by qam1

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To: .cnI redruM
well, the real answer to Medicare and Social Security is one that no one wants to hear...INDEXING....

iows......phase out benefits for those who don't need them....or those that have ample pension money from their companies or civil service job......

the other fix would be to eliminate the cap on how much money you can earn before SS taxes stop.....I'd like to see the zillionaires pay that 8% on all their income....bet the limosine rich would become conservatives really, really fast...

21 posted on 03/22/2006 1:16:28 PM PST by cherry
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To: RockinRight

It's more like 15%


22 posted on 03/22/2006 1:18:47 PM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: the anti-liberal
I am imagining something like, Dow hits 20,000, GDP growth over 7%, of course using Fair Tax could cause severe over-employment. Well we can always import more people. I am also imagining the MSM saying things like, 7% growth is less than expected, downturn predicted.
23 posted on 03/22/2006 1:20:46 PM PST by gafusa
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To: MaDuce
I hope and pray that your vision will not come true, but I have to agree that it is the most likely scenario. As an "old" Gen Xer, I have known for 15 years that my SSC check would never arrive, but as I get ever older, I also begin to understand the boomers' perspectives --if the younger folks want to take mine away, they will have to fight me for it.

It ultimately comes down to this: at some point the workers will say 'enough' and quit working; then, the house of cards will fall.
24 posted on 03/22/2006 1:21:14 PM PST by beancounter13
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To: beancounter13

As taxes go higher and higher, people will start figuring out more and more ways to avoid paying taxes.

I'm afraid our government is becoming an out-of-control monster. More and more taxes, and more and more regulation of private businesses and properties.

God Bless America!


25 posted on 03/22/2006 1:33:23 PM PST by trillabodilla (Jesus Saves)
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To: cherry

Your solution is simply a transfer of wealth from citizens you deem too rich to those whom you don't. Take from those who saved and earned and give to those who didn't.

Societies that punish success and reward the lack of it will tend to get more of the latter.


26 posted on 03/22/2006 1:34:12 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Rubber_Duckie_27
I would gladly opt-out from EVER getting Social Security benefits myself....

But would you if you were 55 and had been paying for the last 35 years?

28 posted on 03/22/2006 1:40:03 PM PST by expatpat
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To: beancounter13
I hope and pray that your vision will not come true, but I have to agree that it is the most likely scenario.

Yeah ... what other outcome is there? I mean, a majority of people who are paying now will always say "don't touch my money" and ANYONE who comes up with an idea to "fix" S.S. will be demonized till the whole stinking system collapses, and I'm not just talking about S.S.

Think of the interest rates that we will be paying in order to finance the entitlement system in 30, 40 years. Think of the cost of fuel, food, etc... at that time. The gov't will be printing money faster than the paper from the mill can dry.

You can think of all the seam's to get more taxes ... indexing, removing the cap for SS taxes, etc... But this will only cause people to hide more money or work under the table or accept other forms of compensation (stock options, etc...). These so-called "fixes" will only Hagen the collapse.

30 posted on 03/22/2006 1:49:04 PM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you! (MaDuce = M2HB .50 BMG))
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To: beancounter13
I hope and pray that your vision will not come true, but I have to agree that it is the most likely scenario.

Yeah ... what other outcome is there? I mean, a majority of people who are paying now will always say "don't touch my money" and ANYONE who comes up with an idea to "fix" S.S. will be demonized till the whole stinking system collapses, and I'm not just talking about S.S.

Think of the interest rates that we will be paying in order to finance the entitlement system in 30, 40 years. Think of the cost of fuel, food, etc... at that time. The gov't will be printing money faster than the paper from the mill can dry.

You can think of all the seam's to get more taxes ... indexing, removing the cap for SS taxes, etc... But this will only cause people to hide more money or work under the table or accept other forms of compensation (stock options, etc...). These so-called "fixes" will only hasten the collapse.

31 posted on 03/22/2006 1:49:40 PM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you! (MaDuce = M2HB .50 BMG))
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To: qam1
Whereas the ratio of workers supporting each beneficiary was 16 to 1 in 1950, it is now down to approximately 3 to 1.

Kudos to the Freeper who astutely observed that the ratio of workers supporting each beneficiary is still 16 to 1 . . . it's just that 13 of them are in places like China, Malaysia, South America, etc.

32 posted on 03/22/2006 1:52:26 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: qam1

Is Social Security an entitlements if one all their life was forced to pay into it?

That money could have gone into a nice IRA or some other program to give far more benefits than the recipient gets today!


33 posted on 03/22/2006 1:54:17 PM PST by restornu (Our blessing flow more when we as a nation murmur less!)
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To: Kerretarded

Too bad W's reform as proposed didn't solve any of social security's problems at all, according to most independent analyses. It was on the right track, but essentially just transferred future debt to current debt. Great. /sarc


34 posted on 03/22/2006 1:57:04 PM PST by eraser2005
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To: restornu
... That money could have gone into a nice IRA or some other program to give far more benefits than the recipient gets today! Could you imagine the amount of CAPITAL available in the country if SS was an IRA or other financial investment instrument over even the last 20 years let alone its inception. Imagine the amount of new companies, jobs that could have been created with the availability of this capital to private industry. There will be some who would say it SS money would be stolen by the likes of Ken Lay and company ... easy fix (and I say this will all seriousness) ... any monkey business by a financial firm with citizens' SS investment money, would would buy the entire board of directors and executives AND THEIR FAMILIES a one way ticket to the PUBLIC GALLOWES. The site of an entire family hanged at once on TV would put an end to any corporate monkey business fast. Oh well, we can dream.
35 posted on 03/22/2006 2:05:28 PM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you! (MaDuce = M2HB .50 BMG))
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To: qam1
I want my money, that I have given to who knows who, back! I knew I was getting screwed every time I saw my pay stub.
36 posted on 03/22/2006 2:09:49 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Singermom

I mean, how can it be done in a way that screws as few people as possible and does it as gently as possible.


37 posted on 03/22/2006 2:10:06 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: TChris

Inches and degrees.


38 posted on 03/22/2006 2:10:52 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: American Quilter

"Check back in 50 years to see if I'm right."

With any luck at all, I won't be able to do so! :)


39 posted on 03/22/2006 2:12:20 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: restornu

You still have the option for an IRA, and if you're smart you're building one.


40 posted on 03/22/2006 2:15:45 PM PST by linda_22003
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