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A Thing or Two About Us Infidels
The Winnipeg Sun ^ | March 23, 2006 | John Gleeson

Posted on 03/23/2006 12:08:14 PM PST by quidnunc

Gotta love that old-time religion. Some 300 Muslim scholars and clerics met in Bahrain yesterday to map out a plan to educate us infidels about the Prophet — and a prominent sheik at the conference called for the UN to "issue strong rules that would criminalize the defamation of religion."

While this sanctimonious gabfest was going on, 40-year-old Abdul Rahman was sitting in an Afghanistan jail cell facing possible execution for the capital offence of converting to Christianity.

If the irony was lost on the Holy 300, it's no wonder.

Muslim clerics can wring their hands to pieces about how unenlightened non-Muslims are about the Prophet and Islam in general, but they demonstrate on a pretty regular basis that they have little comprehension of western values.

Or maybe they just don't give a damn.

Either way, the Abdul Rahman case presents yet another opportunity to fill them in on a thing or two.

First, according to our way of looking at things, poking fun at a religion's founder is a far, far lesser sin than killing a man for converting to another religion.

Bending the ballpark analogy, you could say that the two sins aren't even in the same soccer stadium.

Second, if Islamic law is cited as the basis for killing a man for converting to Christianity, then, according to our way of looking at things, it is our right — indeed, for some their Christian duty — to criticize, condemn, or mock Islam, or at least that particular interpretation of Islam.

Muslims can argue that theirs is a religion of peace and people like me will try really hard to see it that way. But others will not. They believe, after reading the Qur'an and observing its application around the world, that Islam is a religion committed to violence against non-Muslims. That is their opinion, arrived at by using their own powers of deductive reasoning. According to our way of looking at things, it is their right to think that way.

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1 posted on 03/23/2006 12:08:19 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

"While this sanctimonious gabfest was going on, 40-year-old Abdul Rahman was sitting in an Afghanistan jail cell facing possible execution for the capital offence of converting to Christianity. "

Well put.


2 posted on 03/23/2006 12:10:15 PM PST by Red6
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To: quidnunc
Gotta love that old-time religion

Ha, it's what...maybe 700 years old?

3 posted on 03/23/2006 12:12:17 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: quidnunc
While this sanctimonious gabfest was going on, 40-year-old Abdul Rahman was sitting in an Afghanistan jail cell facing possible execution for the capital offence of converting to Christianity.

For those paying attention, this is everything you need to know about Islam.

4 posted on 03/23/2006 12:12:38 PM PST by marron
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To: Puppage

"Ha, it's what...maybe 700 years old?"

Almost 1400 years old. The Hijra, considered by many as the official founding year of Islam, was in 622 AD.


5 posted on 03/23/2006 12:16:44 PM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: quidnunc
Second, if Islamic law is cited as the basis for killing a man for converting to Christianity, then, according to our way of looking at things, it is our right — indeed, for some their Christian duty — to criticize, condemn, or mock Islam, or at least that particular interpretation of Islam.

Therein lies the rub of this battle of ideology. I would say a clash of civilizations, but someone that does not recognize the inalienable right to speech I do not consider civilized.

6 posted on 03/23/2006 12:17:14 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Puppage
Ha, it's what...maybe 700 years old?

About 1400 years old, I think. Came along around 600 AD
7 posted on 03/23/2006 12:17:47 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: quidnunc

The quaran speaks for itself. It should rightfully be titled "Hating Fom Dummies".

Semper Fi'
Jarhead


8 posted on 03/23/2006 12:19:34 PM PST by Buffettfan
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To: quidnunc
"Or maybe they just don't give a damn..."

Put me down in this category.

9 posted on 03/23/2006 12:20:53 PM PST by Fighting Irish
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To: quidnunc
Muslims can argue that theirs is a religion of peace and people like me will try really hard to see it that way. But others will not. They believe, after reading the Qur'an and observing its application around the world, that Islam is a religion committed to violence against non-Muslims. That is their opinion, arrived at by using their own powers of deductive reasoning. According to our way of looking at things, it is their right to think that way.

Put me in the second camp. islam is a death cult and represents the institutionalization of hate and evil.

10 posted on 03/23/2006 12:22:12 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: quidnunc

If someone feels the need to resort to violence when their religion is made fun of, that's their problem, not the problem of the person who did the mocking.

South Park makes fun of my religion all the time, and I still watch and enjoy that show.


11 posted on 03/23/2006 12:23:21 PM PST by JillValentine (Politics is just the continuation of war by other means.)
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To: quidnunc
The article said -- "Muslims can argue that theirs is a religion of peace and people like me will try really hard to see it that way. But others will not. They believe, after reading the Qur'an and observing its application around the world, that Islam is a religion committed to violence against non-Muslims. That is their opinion, arrived at by using their own powers of deductive reasoning. According to our way of looking at things, it is their right to think that way."

If any Muslim tries to tell you that -- they're practicing Takeyya and also using the Doctrine of Abrogation.

Know those two things and that's all you need to know about Islam. They'll lie to your face until they get to the point where they can cut your head off. And that's the truth.

Regards,
Star Traveler

12 posted on 03/23/2006 12:24:05 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: quidnunc

Pork, you forget me mention we also like the other white meat...


13 posted on 03/23/2006 12:24:42 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: marron
Do you know that most US children read in their history texts that Mesopotamia was the BIRTHPLACE of CIVILIZATION? Guess they don't follow with 'for about 600 years'.
14 posted on 03/23/2006 12:28:55 PM PST by txhurl
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To: marron

I'd just like ask a question, and I know that this will be controversial but I really am curious what your views on this will be: Given the current state in Afghanistan, now that we can all see what these people are like, would you be willing to rethink what Reagan did in helping them fight the Soviets? Because here's the thing, I have always thought that was a mistake. I think that Reagan was wrong. I think that the world would be better off if we had left them to the soviets. This - in addition to the fact that arming them covertly the way Reagan did was potentially illegal.


15 posted on 03/23/2006 12:29:05 PM PST by enave
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To: Star Traveler
They'll lie to your face until they get to the point where they can cut your head off.

The Devil made me do it.

Oops. Cat's out of the bag.

16 posted on 03/23/2006 12:29:24 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: enave

Welcome to FR.


17 posted on 03/23/2006 12:31:03 PM PST by txhurl
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To: txflake
Welcome to FR.

thx! :-)
18 posted on 03/23/2006 12:32:43 PM PST by enave
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To: quidnunc

No tolerance for the intolerant.


19 posted on 03/23/2006 12:43:33 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: quidnunc

BTTT!


20 posted on 03/23/2006 12:48:51 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: enave
would you be willing to rethink what Reagan did in helping them fight the Soviets?

No.

We weren't wrong to help the Soviets defeat Hitler, and we weren't wrong to help the Afghans defeat the Soviets. We weren't wrong to help Saddam defeat the Ayatollah, and we weren't wrong to clean Saddam's clock.

You don't have the option of fighting every enemy at once, you deal with the wolf that is closest to your door, and you help your enemies defeat themselves.

Its not a steady state world. One of the great unsung fights of the Cold War was the fight over the muslim world, between ourselves and the Soviets. Had we conceded this fight, we would have faced both muslim fascism and the Soviet Bloc, together at the same time. Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq, were all soviet clients, as were Arafat, Abu Nidal, and most of the muslim terrorists of the day. The fact that we managed to keep Iran under the Shah, the Saudis, the Pakistanis, and Morocco with us during that time was a real coup.

The Soviets had their muslim strategy, and we had ours.

We later managed to pull Egypt away from the soviets, and we were working on Iraq at the time the Soviet Union collapsed.

Its easy, in retrospect, to question it in the light of what has happened in the middle east. But the alternative was a Soviet Union still standing, with the largest muslim states effectively part of the Soviet Bloc.

A mistake many people make is to view the Cold War as 50 years of stability. This is a complete misreading of history. Millions of people died during the Cold War, wars raged on every continent. This is above and beyond the further millions that died directly from Soviet repression. The fact that Russian and Americans weren't trading potshots directly doesn't in any way reduce the death toll. The Cold War was fought using proxies, puppets, false flags similar to Bin Ladin, and the result was a death toll that is staggering. Since they are mostly third world citizens, its easy for journalists and politicians to pretend they didn't happen.

The Cold War was one of the bloodiest wars in history. We won. Thank God.

21 posted on 03/23/2006 1:01:24 PM PST by marron
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To: quidnunc
I love John Gleeson's writing style. He really has a way with words.

Gotta love that old-time religion.

While this sanctimonious gabfest was going on...

Muslim clerics can wring their hands to pieces...

Someone needs educating all right, and it's not just the infidels.

22 posted on 03/23/2006 1:03:58 PM PST by vox humana
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To: quidnunc

Second, if Islamic law is cited as the basis for killing a man for converting to Christianity, then, according to our way of looking at things, it is our right — indeed, for some their Christian duty — to criticize, condemn, or mock Islam, or at least that particular interpretation of Islam.



Now now, we must not doubt at all the religion of Peace. After all, our troops are now being sent to defend the Iraqi Constitution that states =
NO LAW SHALL CONTRADICT ISLAM.


23 posted on 03/23/2006 1:18:29 PM PST by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: quidnunc
Some 300 Muslim scholars and clerics met in Bahrain yesterday to map out a plan to educate us infidels about the Prophet

9-11 taught me all I need to know.
24 posted on 03/23/2006 2:21:09 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Puppage
maybe 700 years old?

1400 years ~ Old Moe proclaimed his prophetic mission in Arabia in 612.

By the time Mohammed died, in 632, Muslims armies were attacking Persia (Iran) and had taken the cities of Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria.

The entire known world of "western civilization" was besieged by Arab armies, marching on a jihad to conquer the known world.

And it has never stopped.
25 posted on 03/23/2006 2:47:11 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: pgkdan
It is a despotism. Islam is the religion of peace. Unfortunately, it is the peace sought by all tyrants and tyrannical systems--all dissent is muzzled and all enemies either liquidated or hiding out for fear of their lives.
I wonder when the Europeans are going to wake up to fact that by allowing Muslims into their land and paying for them to breed like roaches, they are building the chains to their own eventual enslavement link by link.
26 posted on 03/23/2006 3:40:31 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: enave
Actually, the Russian adventure into Afghanistan was the repsonibility of Jimmy Cahter and Zbigwhateverthehellhis name is.

I remember seeing a show about 5 years back where Zbig was laughing with a condescending attitude about how they suckered the Russians into getting stuck into the quagmire that Afghanistan became.

No russians in Afghanistan, no Mujihadeen, no Osama, no Al Queda.

Friggin idiots!

27 posted on 03/23/2006 8:59:16 PM PST by America's Resolve (I've become a 'single issue voter' for 06 and 08. My issue is illegal immigration!)
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