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SCOOP: WHO ARE THE WHINY KIDS?
michellemalkin.com ^ | March 23, 2006 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 03/23/2006 1:51:23 PM PST by the anti-liberal

SCOOP: WHO ARE THE WHINY KIDS?

By

Michelle Malkin

  ·   March 23, 2006 04:11 PM

An anonymous tipster sends some intriguing information about the "whiny kids grow up to be conservatives" study conducted by left-wing UC Berkeley prof Jack Block.

Wondering where the nursery school kids who were the subjects of the study came from? Check this out:

I know exactly which "nursery school" was used as the basis of this study. It is not mentioned anywhere in the text of the 16-page pdf you provided for downloading, but I know because -- well, because I know people who were some of the subjects of this study (and of other similar studies). And an extremely important fact about this school renders the entire study false.

The nursery school cited is actually the "Harold E. Jones Child Study Center," on Atherton St. in Berkeley. It used to have a different name if I remember -- I think it used to be called the "Atherton Child Study Center."

Go to this URL to see their Web site.

If you want proof that this is indeed the school used for the study, go to this URL.

This page is part of the "Institute for Human Development," which is the department at Cal which runs the school. It is part of and connected to the Child Study Center site link above. About halfway down on this page (search for "Jack Block") you'll see that they mention that the data gathering part of this study was done at the Center:

"A renowned longitudinal study of development originated by Jeanne and Jack Block began with children at three and followed them at 4, 5, 7, 11, 14 18, and 23 years of age."

Compare that to this text from the final study (in the pdf):

Pre-school children subsequently relatively conservative at age 23

What is so significant about this? Well, the Harold E. Jones Child Study Center is only open to children of U.C. Berkeley faculty and staff:

The University Preschool offers full-day developmental child care for preschool-aged children of UCB faculty and staff.

(The "Preschool" is a subset of the "Child Study Center.")

In other words, ALL of the children in that study were the offspring of U.C. Berkeley professors, lecturers, and staff members.

The reason the Child Study Center is so popular is that they offer free/cheap child care/nursery schooling in exchange for the parents allowing their kids to be "studied" by psychologists all day every day.

And here's the clincher (you probably already saw it coming):

UC Berkeley faculty was rated the most left-wing in the country: 91% of teachers there were classified as liberal:

"University of California, Berkeley (91 percent liberal)."

So, we have documented proof that the "whiny babies" in this study were basically ALL the children of liberal parents.

With this fact in hand, we can completely turn the study around:

Firstly, it was the liberal parents that made their kids whiny to begin with.

Secondly, it could just as easily be argued that, even at a very early age, some kids don't get along with their parents, and so become "whiny." Then, when those kids grow older, they rebel against their parents, as a way of disassociating themselves from their parents' influence. And if your parents are liberal (as they all were in this study), then you rebel by becoming a conservative!

That's it for the documented-facts part of the scoop. But on a more informal, anecdotal level: I have personally witnessed what goes on at the Child Study Center (or what went on there several years ago - I'm sure it's the same today, as its mission has not changed):

Toddlers and young children (generally aged between 2 and 5) frolic around and do activities as in any day care/nursery school/kindergarten setting. But the difference is there are adult researchers (some even with the proverbial clipboards) hovering around at all times, monitoring the kids, "observing" their behavior, writing down little notes and filling out charts about the kids' personalities and activities and so on.

And here's the key, from my personal observation: the researchers get it all wrong! They often have some esoteric psychological/behavioral academic fad they're trying to prove, so they ascribe the most bizarre and ludicrous motivations for the kids' actions, scribbling notes about "ego resilience" and "crypto-sexual manifestations" and blah blah blah. It would be comical if if wasn't taken so seriously. I can assure you that whatever data they gathered in the '60s or '70s about how "whiny" these kids were was totally bogus and off-the-mark.

Maybe they were whiny because they were more intellectually developed than the other kids and were frustrated in an overly infantile environment. Maybe they were whiny because the "counselors" detected early indications of independent thought and action in these kids, and forced them to conform to their Socialist ideals, causing the future conservatives to feel resentful.

Someone should follow up with the UC Berkeley guinea pigs and ask them.


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ALL of the children in that study were the offspring of U.C. Berkeley professors, lecturers, and staff members.

LOL!


1 posted on 03/23/2006 1:51:25 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: Born Conservative
(((ping)))

For your list?

2 posted on 03/23/2006 1:52:41 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

Interesting. This study is certainly one way to get back at the kids who dared leave their tribe!


3 posted on 03/23/2006 1:53:41 PM PST by twigs
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To: the anti-liberal

conservative kids were whiney as kids,
liberals are whiney as adults.

on group grew up, the other didn't.

I'll lump this in with the "global warming" studies.


4 posted on 03/23/2006 1:54:14 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Muslims pray to Allah, Allah prays to Chuck Norris.(one nation, under sharia))
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To: Rakkasan1
Don't you mean the 'global whining' studies?

5 posted on 03/23/2006 1:56:13 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal
As I said yesterday, look to the parents. Whiny liberals have whiny little kids which grow up to be conservative when they find out whiny does not work.
6 posted on 03/23/2006 1:57:16 PM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: the anti-liberal
And here's the key, from my personal observation: the researchers get it all wrong! They often have some esoteric psychological/behavioral academic fad they're trying to prove, so they ascribe the most bizarre and ludicrous motivations for the kids' actions, scribbling notes about "ego resilience" and "crypto-sexual manifestations" and blah blah blah. It would be comical if if wasn't taken so seriously.

Hey!

It's nearly as accurate as divining the future from animal entrails.

And they're working very seriously to reach a comparable level of accuracy.

7 posted on 03/23/2006 1:58:46 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Rakkasan1

I wonder what kind of child Howard Dean was?


8 posted on 03/23/2006 1:59:07 PM PST by JZelle
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To: Mike Darancette
This 'scoop' has certainly backed up your assertion.

I would like to be able to hear the response of those Berzerkly profs who championed the findings of the original study - or maybe not, they'll just whine!

9 posted on 03/23/2006 2:00:56 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

Ok, so conservatives were whiney children. All available data shows liberals are whiney adults which is much much worse.


10 posted on 03/23/2006 2:01:19 PM PST by BadAndy (Islam is a religion of submission. YOUR submission.)
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To: siunevada

Wasn't there a study that "animal entrails" gave more accurate results?

I'm sure there must have been. Probably suppressed by the liberal media.


11 posted on 03/23/2006 2:03:10 PM PST by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: the anti-liberal
Better to have been a whiney kid than a whiney adult:


12 posted on 03/23/2006 2:05:34 PM PST by FReepaholic (I was FReepin' when FReepin' wasn't cool.)
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To: the anti-liberal
If this Tipster is correct; HA HA HA HA HA HA! Hilarious.Just freaking hilarious, and SOOOO typical of a Liberal study.
13 posted on 03/23/2006 2:07:34 PM PST by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: FReepaholic; JZelle
If Howie and Sheehan are whiny now, imagine how they must've been as kids!


14 posted on 03/23/2006 2:08:33 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: BadAndy

I'd be whiney too if I had to spend my days with liberal brats!


15 posted on 03/23/2006 2:08:33 PM PST by WeddingPlanner
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To: the anti-liberal
I thought there must be more to this story. Thanks.

btw, Who is that beautiful lady in your sig?

16 posted on 03/23/2006 2:09:05 PM PST by mikeus_maximus (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: the anti-liberal

-I'm now suspicious of Malkin using steroids, because she just blasted this study out of the stadium.

I was skeptical from the onset, myself, since there are no conservatives in Berkeley. None. Well, maybe in the big homes up on the hills, but they're not going to send their kids to some local daycare.


17 posted on 03/23/2006 2:11:54 PM PST by Gunflint
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To: the anti-liberal
I figured as much when I saw this was a UC Berkeley study. Are there any conservatives around there? :) Besides, I probably could have been considered whiny. And I might've been a liberal if I hadn't met my husband and gotten knocked upside the head.
18 posted on 03/23/2006 2:14:20 PM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: mikeus_maximus
Meet Michelle Malkin:

19 posted on 03/23/2006 2:15:41 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal
or maybe not, they'll just whine

What is actually worse is that they cut the survey off at 23 years old. The kids would barely be out of college yet and would not have the life experience to make any informed decision such as growing up to see what a crock today's liberalism has become

20 posted on 03/23/2006 2:16:49 PM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: the anti-liberal; triver; Braak; eazdzit; Stellar Dendrite; George - the Other; PROSOUTH; ...

Malkin ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Michelle Malkin ping list...

21 posted on 03/23/2006 2:18:27 PM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Kaylee Frye
"I hadn't met my husband and gotten knocked upside the head."

Grace touched your life!

If only Grace would reach out and touch these liberals, healing them of their (mental) illness...

OTOH, perhaps Grace has tried, but they've been too narcissistic to notice.

22 posted on 03/23/2006 2:18:58 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

My blog entry on the subject:

The study is total crap, of course, because it's full of subjective analysis under the guise of scientific impartiality. What is "visibly deviant," anyway? And the idea of labeling toddlers as "deviant" is in any case a little bit appalling.

But let's take the study on its own merits. Look at the child behaviors the study views as "bright" and "non-conforming," and, more to the point, correlative with future liberalism:


Behaves in a dominating manner (Note that this is the second-highest correlative with liberalism, after "talkative")
Is aggressive physically or verbally
Attempts to transfer blame to others (This is a positive trait?)
Tends to be judgemental of others
Can admit to own negative feelings (We all know this one: The child whose favorite phrase is "I hate you!")
Tends to exaggerate, dramatize mishaps


I don't know about you, but I find it difficult to spin these personality traits as desirable. These are the behaviors, to put it plainly, of bullies.

On the other hand, the traits that the study correlates with future conservatism are quite different:


Appears to feel unworthy
Has a readiness to feel guilty
Anxious in unpredictable environment
Tends to brood and ruminate or worry
Is shy and reserved
Is fearful and anxious


These are the behaviors of, to say the least, children who can be described as sensitive and thoughtful. Note that the Star story that introduced the study to the world summarizes the future conservatives as "whiny." Since when does "shy and reserved" equal whiny? "Tends to exaggerate, dramatize mishaps"--a prime liberal correlate--sounds a lot more whiny to me.

But the biggest problem I have with the study is that it politicizes four year olds, which feels like child abuse. I can't help thinking that people are going to take this study seriously, and are going to punish or ridicule children for being "little Republicans" if they're at all quiet and sensitive. And that infuriates me.


23 posted on 03/23/2006 2:19:21 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: the anti-liberal
Yo!! Drudge!!

Need a follow up dude!

24 posted on 03/23/2006 2:21:07 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: the anti-liberal
Thanks! I call him Chris, but you can call him Grace if you like! ;)

Seriously, though, I am always praying for my parents and family. They are the reason I was almost a liberal - my whole family is. It's like a disease - it even infected my once normal Sister-In-Law. I stay quarantined on the other side of the country. ;)

25 posted on 03/23/2006 2:22:43 PM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: Kaylee Frye

I was a Psych major so I'm well acquainted with the IHD. I was a conservative then, still am, and just focused on my studies and ignored the proffers of Kool-aid from the Left.

This study is interesting in that apparently all the subjects, even the WHINEY kids, were the children of LIBERALS, weren't they? See? They were smart enough to be annoyed by dumba$$ moonbats even then!


26 posted on 03/23/2006 2:27:49 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Conservatives know the names of Tookie's VICTIMS!!)
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To: denydenydeny
"And the idea of labeling toddlers as "deviant" is in any case a little bit appalling. "

Given what's happening in our public schools today it won't be long before there's a recognized division among toddlers in that sense.

Of course, what we consider 'deviant' is what liberal socialists what to be considered normal...

27 posted on 03/23/2006 2:29:34 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

Possibly offspring of some of them, but until the DNA tests come in, I'm suspecting Bill.


28 posted on 03/23/2006 2:30:02 PM PST by mathurine (ua)
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To: Kaylee Frye
"It's like a disease - it even infected my once normal Sister-In-Law. I stay quarantined on the other side of the country."

Recent events, such as the release of the 'Iraq papers', may make a kind of truth pill which may or may not help cure them of their disease... at least you escaped!

29 posted on 03/23/2006 2:31:48 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: the anti-liberal

or, another possible conclusion could be that people's political proclivities are set at a very early age, and these children were born conservatives stuck in a liberal environment, and so whined about it, as children do.


30 posted on 03/23/2006 2:32:10 PM PST by munchtipq
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To: the anti-liberal
What is so significant about this? Well, the Harold E. Jones Child Study Center is only open to children of U.C. Berkeley faculty and staff:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

31 posted on 03/23/2006 2:36:43 PM PST by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: the anti-liberal
ROFL!!!!

The Lefties nailed again......

Keyword .....Whiny Kids

32 posted on 03/23/2006 2:37:52 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Publius6961

Yep, I think you've summed it up rather nicely.


33 posted on 03/23/2006 2:38:36 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: Gunflint; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Marine_Uncle; Brad's Gramma; Mo1
I'm now suspicious of Malkin using steroids, because she just blasted this study out of the stadium.

ROFL!!!!

I love it!!!!

34 posted on 03/23/2006 2:41:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: the anti-liberal

Honestly, with my family, the best I can do is pray! I do thank God every day that I escaped and came to my senses! :)


35 posted on 03/23/2006 2:45:05 PM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: the anti-liberal
The following claim, which I heard long ago, seems to be true:

"The conclusion of almost all sociological studies are either (a) self-evident or (b) false."

36 posted on 03/23/2006 2:47:35 PM PST by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: Kaylee Frye

You had to go to Seattle to escape....?


37 posted on 03/23/2006 2:48:08 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Mike Darancette
As I said yesterday, look to the parents. Whiny liberals have whiny little kids which grow up to be conservative when they find out whiny does not work.

And maybe they're whiny because even at a tender age they realize their parents are politically full of $h1t.

38 posted on 03/23/2006 2:49:35 PM PST by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

...of course no one notices the irony of conservatives whining about a study that suggests they're whiners.


39 posted on 03/23/2006 2:50:42 PM PST by planetpatrol
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To: munchtipq
Thanks for beating me with that idea.

At least you stated it more diplomatically.

< ]B^)

40 posted on 03/23/2006 2:51:59 PM PST by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Haha, no, I actually got dragged here by the Army, but now I'm grateful to be away from my family's craziness. :)
41 posted on 03/23/2006 2:52:35 PM PST by Kaylee Frye
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To: Gunflint

There is at least 1!


42 posted on 03/23/2006 2:52:53 PM PST by Keyga8tor
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To: the anti-liberal

You just might be able to run for President on that platform. STOP GLOBAL WHINING.

It's terribly attractive.

But abandon all hope for we already have Michelle slotted for the '12 Presidential Slate with Condi as her running mate...a mere "heartbeat away" from the Presidency.


43 posted on 03/23/2006 2:56:42 PM PST by CBart95
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To: the anti-liberal
I wonder why the researcher would keep this information secret?

Just kidding.
44 posted on 03/23/2006 3:01:22 PM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Mike Darancette

I thought it hard to believe they were able to keep track of the participants for as long as they did -- now that I understand how they got their participants, I get it now.

Although one must wonder, "why did it take them 20 years to reach this conclusion?"



45 posted on 03/23/2006 3:01:27 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: the anti-liberal

Bless you for this!

Turns out: All kids are whiny.

Some never grow up.

Those are Democrats...

and their wannabees.


46 posted on 03/23/2006 3:01:30 PM PST by CBart95
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To: CBart95

You know, now that I think about it - how did the so-called "researchers" qualify and quantify 'whiny' as a variable for study anyway?


47 posted on 03/23/2006 3:09:26 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: Erasmus

well, unlike most people who are trying furiously to discredit the research because the conclusions were faulty, i think something interesting could come of this. clearly these children had a lot of things in common environmentally speaking, which makes any conclusions shaky. but if similar studies were carried out with groups in a a) primarily conservative and b) mixed community it could be interesting to see the results. if the results were reversed, this would lead to very different conclusions than what the media is reporting for this story.

(by the way, never trust the media's reporting of conclusions in a scientific paper. they will take a sentence prefaced with 6,000 'maybe's and 'possibly's and giant warning signs saying that this is just speculation and report it as something 'proved' by a piece of research.)

anyways, that's my take on it.


48 posted on 03/23/2006 3:21:09 PM PST by munchtipq
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how did the so-called "researchers" qualify and quantify 'whiny' as a variable for study anyway?

That's the thing...the actual study doesn't use the word. The use of the word "whiny" only began with the Toronto Star article about the study.

49 posted on 03/23/2006 3:21:55 PM PST by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: denydenydeny; munchtipq
"(by the way, never trust the media's reporting of conclusions in a scientific paper. they will take a sentence prefaced with 6,000 'maybe's and 'possibly's and giant warning signs saying that this is just speculation and report it as something 'proved' by a piece of research.)"

"That's the thing...the actual study doesn't use the word. The use of the word "whiny" only began with the Toronto Star article about the study."

Seems you two are validating one another... :^)

50 posted on 03/23/2006 3:27:06 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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